Talk:Ben Drowned

Persistent misinformed edits
Hi, I am a current player in the Ben Drowned ARG and I run an independent wiki that catalogues all canon information on the subject. Early this morning, I found that this page was full of blatant misinformation and cleaned it up. I have noticed a few users who are attempting to add misinformation to this article, and would like to ask you not to do so. All canon resources are able to refute such edits, such as Tyler's last name being Lawman instead of Lawson. Similarly, Ben's last name is entirely unconfirmed.

To put it shortly, please refrain from making uninformed or fan-based edits to this page. The project is ongoing and misinformation is at an all-time high right now. We as a community would appreciate it. CircleHunter (talk) 22:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


 * My bad, I genuinely thought it was Lawson. KMWeiland (talk) 14:29, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Recent edits
Hi ,

I see you're fairly new to Wikipedia and seem to care a lot about Ben Drowned, which is great. After de-prodding the article, I took some stuff that has no place here, as you can see here. You put some stuff back, so let's address it. Even if it's called "The Final Chapter", that would be reverse WP:CRYSTAL to state that it is. After all, we can't tell the future that something is (or isn't!) happening. The concept of Entering Heaven alive is purely from a religious point of view and "heaven" isn't mentioned once in the article. Making a piped link to 'entering Heaven alive' is then unnecessary in this context. Wikipedia is written for a large audience, for the general reader. Linking to a reddit / subreddit is not necessary and not beneficial for Jane Wikipedia-McUser. If you need any help, feel free to ask me, here or at my talk page. Kind regards, soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:55, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Disingenuous edits and original research
Every time I tag this article for failed verification my edits are either reverted or citations are placed disingenuously. A typical example of this article's original research:
 * In June 2009, Hall uploaded two videos to his YouTube channel; one featuring a conversation with the minor character Rosa from the 2004 action role-playing video game Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines and one featuring the main character Alex Mercer from the 2009 open world action-adventure video game Prototype. These videos were retconned as the first installments in the Haunted Majora's Mask Cartridge series in the second arc, The Moon Children, in which characters named Rosa and Alex, each with themes mirroring their respective videos, are introduced.

After I tagged this for the lack of citations, one was given to a Fanbyte article, but anyone can verify that the author mentions nothing about retcons, Rosa, or Alex - see for yourself. The same is true of the citations given for these opinions in the lead:
 * The series is one of the most popular web serials on the internet, with a readership in the hundreds of thousands, and has been widely recognized as both an example of a modern urban legend and a major influence in helping to establish and legitimize creepypasta as a literary genre.

The above is sourced to Fanbyte and The Gamer, where I can find not one sentence supporting the claims that it was a "major influence" or "legitimized" creepypasta as a literary genre, let alone it being one of "the most popular web serials on the Internet". Is Alex Hall or one of his friends writing this article?? 2601:192:8800:6F60:7148:1AA3:70F0:C489 (talk) 21:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixed. KMWeiland (talk) 22:25, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No you didn't, you just removed the tags again and added a single source that credited Ben Drowned with "defining" creepypasta, which is a different claim entirely. There's also nothing about "alternate paths" written on the other citations you gave, one of which was a podcast that shouldn't even be on here (Orange Groves). And please stop removing the merge proposal that hasn't been closed. The only closed discussion was for a deletion, not a merging. I never proposed for this article's deletion. 2601:192:8800:6F60:7148:1AA3:70F0:C489 (talk) 22:37, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You proposed it be redirected, so not a deletion of history, but still a deletion. You argued for merging in the deletion discussion itself, and then admitted that notability had been already established, with all other entries being a resounding Keep. I am not entirely certain if you know how such discussions work, but the article is being kept. It does need improvement, yes, I am working on that. The other sources covered the urban legend aspect as well. And it was, alongside Slender Man. Both had roughly an equal Internet presence prior to the Slender Man stabbing. KMWeiland (talk) 23:30, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Content's creator request for cleanup of the Wikipedia page.
The unorthodoxy of this is not lost on me.

So, Jadusable, the actual creator of BEN Drowned, earlier today on the work's official Discord, asked the community to help clean up the Wikipedia page. Link's here, the message itself reads as follows:


 * Also as one last request can we please clean up the Wikipedia page when we get a chance? there's a lot of misinformation on it

Now, we all understand Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and as such, there are rules and etiquette. However, there are some of us who are less informed. So, we ask for patience and understanding in the edits coming to the page itself. It's understandable that a seasoned editor would look at an edit reason that says, The Creator gave me permission to do this, and immediately assume vandalism. It's equally understandable that one would view this message and reasonably conclude, "Oh no, there's going to be an influx of biased editors." It is for this reason we, or I, have taken the time to write this out and clearly communicate that the ground rules of the site will be followed, and the ultimate end of improving the page to better fit Wikipedia's style and quality requirements is our only goal. Gabloigen (talk) 18:07, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion
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 * Gibberish Ben.jpg