Talk:Ben Macdui

Untitled
Oh aye, since when? ;-) Grinner 11:11, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

Why did someone just chop out most of this article?
 * Hard to tell, but in the absence of any justification for it, we'll undo it. --Stemonitis 08:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Proposed move
I propose to move this article to Ben Macdui (currently a redirect to Ben Macdhui with no page history, so no admin assistance is required). The spelling and capitalisation is consistent with the OS 1:25,000 map (it's in all caps on the 1:50,000) and Butterfield's High Mountains of Britain and Ireland, the two most reliable sources I can lay my hands on; confirmation from other sources (e.g. Munro's Tables) would be welcome. I don't know how the South African mountain is usually spelt, but I don't think I've ever seen the Scottish one spelt with an H in modern sources. And I may be accused of cultural chauvinism, but I feel fairly sure that the Scottish Ben Macd(h)ui is the primary meaning of the name, and so doesn't need a disambiguator; a [user]hatnote would suffice.

Any comments/words of support/objections? --Blisco 19:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

At the risk of contravening WP:AUTO I am in complete agreement. It's 'Macdui' in the SMC District Guide and Munro's Tables. So far as I can see 'Macdhui' is a relatively uncommon pre WW2 spelling. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks fairly unequivocal. All the reliable sources, including all those quoted in the article used the spelling "Ben Macdui" (although the OS also gives "Beinn Macduibh" [Gaelic?], which probably ought to be mentioned). I agree that a hatnote would be sufficient to link between the two mountains. Is it therefore your intention to move Ben Macdhui (South Africa) to Ben Macdhui afterwards (the logical corollary)? I can do that, if it is. --Stemonitis 10:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Since this one can conceivably be spelt Ben Macdhui (hence the spelling of the other one), it would make more sense to keep Ben Macdhui as a disambiguation page, and keep the South African one at its current title. That way, misspelt links to the Scottish mountain (of which there will inevitably be some) will be more easily identified. --Blisco 18:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I have just realised: Ben Macdui redirects to Ben Macdhui, not Ben Macdhui (Scotland), so admin. assistance will be required to move that there. It is only possible for a non-admin to move an article over another one if the other's history comprises a single edit, and the latter is a redirect to the former. --Stemonitis 19:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, could you oblige please? I presume there's no need to go through WP:RM as we have consensus on this page. --Blisco 18:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the consensus among we few is clear enough. If anyone wants to move it back, they can always go through WP:RM (in the knowledge that there'll be a least a couple of votes against). Consider it done. --Stemonitis 18:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! --Blisco 20:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Suggest rethink
Three years ago this article was moved. Can I suggest this be looked at again? "Macdhui" was of course nonsense - someone vaguely remembered there should be an h but didn't know where to put it. The correct spelling is Beinn Mac Duibh, as the article correctly comments. Ben Macdui is an early 20th century anglicisation, but usage in Scotland is changing fast, as correct Gaelic spellings are being reclaimed. --Doric Loon (talk) 20:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Correct spelling on en.wiki is Ben Macdui, you can use whatever spelling you like on gd.wiki.....--81.153.219.120 (talk) 17:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I wonder if that ex-cathedra judgment can be given authority? Like on what basis you say what is "correct"? Current usage in Scotland suggests you are mistaken. --Doric Loon (talk) 19:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There is more to en.wiki than just Scotland. --81.153.219.120 (talk) 13:20, 25 February 2011 (UTC)