Talk:Ben Rich (engineer)

Unattributed quote about black projects
There is a quote of Ben Rich making its rounds on the internet. Apparently in a lecture shortly before he died he revealed that - quote:

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

Does anyone know if this quote is confirmed by reliable sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.227.153.175 (talk) 02:28, May 4, 2006 (UTC)


 * That quote is now in the article without a source.   Should it be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.34.6 (talk) 01:44, March 10, 2007 (UTC)


 * Removed dubious quote again for lack of citation. The quote appears on fringe sites throughout the internet with no citation (or in some cases citing to this article at Wikipedia).  It is very poorly sourced, dubiously credits UFOs, and meets neither the attribution standards for quotations nor for biographical facts.NavinWP 16:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I just removed it again. I will continue to remove it until a reputable source appears. My suspicion is that it's an urban legend.WolfKeeper 21:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * So all of the most famous quotes in human history have citations ? And if not, are all such quotes excluded from Wiki ? Cause if there are other quotes, wihtout citations, included on Wiki, then this here quote also must be allowed.

The quote was used by UFO author Timothy Good on Radio 5 Live (UK), and is quoted in an article in The Daily Mail newspaper. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021948/BBC-Mike-Sewell-spots-UFO-tells-millions-Radio-5-Live.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malau (talk • contribs) 07:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

''As Ben Rich, who developed the stealth aircraft, said in 1993 in the presence of two friends of mine: "We now have the technology to go to the stars." And that was in 1993.' When Mr Good was asked to elaborate on where this technology came from, he replied: 'Alien crafts [sic]. The study of alien crafts (craft) that have been recovered and by liaising with actual aliens who have helped us develop this technology.''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malau (talk • contribs) 07:41, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Opinions on UFOS
He has spoken many times about his views on UFOs. Should this not be added? I have no intrest in the subject or the article, so I'm not going to do it, but it should be done. 98.24.14.97 (talk) 19:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Quote on Classified Technology
https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/opinion/editorials/2014/05/27/ufo-accounts-are-journalists-stuff/985695007/ reports that the Rich quotes were verified by Tom Keller. "May 2010, aerospace engineer Tom Keller wrote an article for the Mutual UFO Network's journal that said Ben Rich revealed that extraterrestrial UFO visitors are real and that the U.S. military has aircraft capable of travel to the stars. Keller, who worked as a computer systems analyst for NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, quoted Rich as saying the following:" Then the article gives several of the often repeated quotes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:58C:4303:C4A0:0:0:0:25F8 (talk) 21:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

The professional historian and one time doctoral candidate in history concetrating on the birth of the national security apparatus in 1950s America, Richard Dolan, includes this quotation in UFOs for the 21st Century Mind, a book with 500+ citations. It would not appear without having been verified to a high standard of historicity - the same standards as those accepted without vociferous denials of historical data on thousands of Wikipedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.199.1.50 (talk) 21:27, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Clearly there's wikipedia censorship on ufo articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.255.179.35 (talk) 08:04, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Attribution location
The quote is from a video interview toward the end of the flagship video from The Sirius Disclosure project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.181.238 (talk) 00:55, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Please link to the video here.107.107.58.20 (talk) 01:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

The former Faye Mayer?
The article states:

In 1950, Rich married the former Faye Mayer, a fashion model, who died in 1980.

This statement is ambiguous. It what sense is Faye Mayer "former"?


 * 1) Rich married a woman named "Faye Mayer"; she took his last name; she is now the "former Faye Mayer".  However, she was not "former" at the time Rich married her: she was simply "Faye Mayer", and "former" should be omitted from the sentence.
 * 2) She was "Faye Mayer" at the time Rich married her, but had a different name previously.  This is not indicated in the article, and seems unlikely, but it's entirely plausible; in this case, "former" should remain in the sentence, but further context should be provided.
 * 3) She was "Faye Mayer" at the time Rich married her; she subsequently gave up modeling, which would make the correct statement "Faye Mayer, a former fashion model".

Karl gregory jones (talk) 19:38, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


 * A bit of a puzzle without a single supporting source to consult. I'd strongly suspect (3) i.e. a typo. We could just remove it and it would seem to be no less accurate than it is now. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Removed, it stood out to me reading the article too. Retswerb (talk) 04:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Source needed
I need a more reliable source for the line that Ben Rich went to Alexander Hamilton High School (Los Angeles) for the alumni list–any idea where I could find that? Help appreciated. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 20:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Correct.
"We now have the technology to take ET home"


 * 1) astra 2A00:23C5:B81A:4601:1C66:13B2:51C3:B29 (talk) 01:28, 26 December 2021 (UTC)