Talk:Ben Shapiro

Occupation
Even after the semi protection template that @EvergreenFir instated on this page, we still are getting deconstructive edits in regard to ‘Rapper’ being added to occupation. I’m wondering if invisible comments would help in this matter. What are everyone’s thoughts? @Cannolis Wanted to ping you as well in this discussion! Elvisisalive95 (talk) 14:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Can't hurt, though probably wouldn't help either, in my experience the kind of people that would add this sort of thing won't read those comments. The number of confirmed users that would(like the person you had to revert) is relatively small though, you could also wait and see if you get more of these edits before acting. Cannolis (talk) 20:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Roger that. Sounds like a plan, thank you very much. Elvisisalive95 (talk) 21:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * My thoughts roughly match Cannolis'. In case it ever helps, I oppose adding "rapper" to the lead and any rapper categories to the article, per WP:BALANCE, WP:ROLEBIO, and WP:CATDEFINING, among other reasons. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment - His rapping "career" is not even established as notable enough to include. A youtube link is insufficient. We need reliable secondary sources covering this song to even include it.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 23:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I just added a reliable secondary source per RSPSS to your revert . I too don’t believe by any means it merits being included as a career at all. That’s why I originally just wrote a simple sentence on the page stating the fact that it happened, which i believe should be included on this page in the capacity it is now. Elvisisalive95 (talk) 00:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * A piece from one of the blogs at The Hill, which are not as reliable as the news articles from the site. I'm not sure that's enough to demonstrate that the content is notable (with a lowercase n, not talking about WP:N). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I simply grabbed from one of the approved sources per RSPSS as stated above. Nonetheless I truly appreciate your input, value your opinion & went ahead and added another source Here. Elvisisalive95 (talk) 01:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Andrew Neil Controversy?
I get that he's a contentious guy and wikipedia has to maintain some semblance of balance but I'm surprised there's no subsection for controversies and even more surprised that there's absolutely no mention of his fairly unflattering Andrew Neil Interview since this is what he's most famous for in the UK 2A00:23C6:740D:A401:38A2:1444:4B0:A97B (talk) 16:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thing is, he isn't really famous in the UK at all so the Neil interview doesn't count for that much in the grand scheme of things. We try to avoid "controversy" sections anyway, including the controversies in the main flow of the article instead. The interview might be worth mentioning but only very briefly. I think one sentence backed by a couple of good independent sources might be OK. DanielRigal (talk) 18:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the IP user means "most notable" as opposed to "most famous." I've known Shapiro for almost a decade thanks to the internet but most in the UK had no idea who he was before the infamous interview. I am surprised it's not mentioned anywhere in the article as it was a pretty significant event in coverage of him and was widely covered internationally. It was an absolute disaster and showed him to be completely out of his league. I disagree about not having criticism sections, as they can be useful in summarising content about individuals, especially as these are usually popular parts of articles. Far too much weight in this article has been given to his views, which is very unusual for an non-politician. At this point, the interview is vital to be included, even if it's given merely a sentence; where it would be placed, however, is difficult to say. UaMaol (talk) 01:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The IP OP supplies no links, so I'll guess it's about a BBC interview in 2019. If so, I'd put it on a level with an event in 2019 where [insert sports team here] played poorly and was ridiculed for a while, but the team plays many times per year and it had no lasting significance. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 15:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * haha, yes perfect! UaMaol (talk) 19:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Candace Owens Lawsuit
I’m hearing that Ben is now suing Owens about the debate according to the media. 69.1.59.248 (talk) 02:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Please provide a reliable source SKAG123 (talk) 04:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have googled "Ben Shapiro sues Candace Owens" with no success. The only result is a imdb link to a pod-cast with that as the episode title. Search results only pull information on Owens' split from Daily Wire. Which probably is covered on Daily Wire's article page. If I have time I'll go see if that is covered fairly on the page. TomaHawk61 (talk) 22:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Owens as a commentator in the infobox
I noticed that Owens was still listed as a commentator in the infobox, should we remove as she has parted ways? TomaHawk61 (talk) 22:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I will remove, but if anybody wants to add it back in just let me know the justification. TomaHawk61 (talk) 22:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I am striking my discussion as I misunderstood the "conservitism infobox on the right" to be for Ben Shapiro's commentators on Daily Wire. Apologies. TomaHawk61 (talk) 22:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)