Talk:Ben True

Notability

 * Ben True has achieved the standard for notability as he was on multiple international teams and is, in fact, a medalist as a member (leader) of the team, where he was 6th place at the 2013 IAAF World Cross Country Championships. Additionally he was a double senior national champion in Road Racing, in turn winning the Peachtree Road Race.  I improved the sourcing on that.  As such, I have removed the TAG about notability. Trackinfo (talk) 17:44, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

My comments below are in response to complaints and accusations by User:Everestrecords which were removed here and here. I don't just rant alone. Trackinfo (talk) 08:43, 27 November 2013 (UTC) Again my responses, all of my responses on this talk page were in response to critical tags placed by one editor. His tags have thankfully been removed. His complaining text was also removed here. Trackinfo (talk) 09:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no association with the guy, never met him, wouldn't know him if I saw him. I'm not too good WP:civility in these kind of arguments, so I won't lecture you.  I only refer to WP:NSPORTS, which I did contribute to writing, so I know it well.  I'll ask you about the other athletes you mentioned, do they have international credentials?  If they do, why haven't you gotten off your butt and written an article for any of them.  As an International athlete (confirmed by a source), True is; an International medalist, a top 10 individual finisher at the World Cross Country Championships (confirmed by source), National Champion (confirmed by source), so he meets the threshold.  You seem to think the current sourcing stinks.  Lets see:  9 sources (I might do further research and add to this later), a Runners World mention, USATF confirmation of a national championship, a sponsor page, his college page, 3 IAAF references confirming his achievements and a flotrack video.  Pretty conventional track sourcing and not numerically weak.  Yeah, Flotrack does videos on everyone and I've never heard of "In the arena" but they look like hacks for a sponsored team.  I looked further, Google shows plenty of other sources, you should try it sometime.  True was less than half a second from making the 2013 team for the World Championship; deadly 4th place in 2 events.  A second and a half behind Bernard Lagat and Galen Rupp who you might have heard of see here.  True finished within a breath (.06) behind 2008 Olympic bronze medalist Edwin Soi at Rieti meeting, beating 2012 bronze medalist Thomas Longosiwa, along with notable athletes Ben St Lawrence, Caleb Mwangangi Ndiku, Andrew Bumbalough, Henrik Ingebrigtsen and Garrett Heath in the process (confirmed by this source) and that was only as far as I looked down the list.  Just to point out he runs in notable company.  Its a weak argument to show comparable articles, just like yours is a weak argument that other people are not covered (yet) by wikipedia.  There is no reason to delete this guy's article, nor if you get any bright ideas, any of those other people's articles.  Deletion is for junk, for frauds.  This is neither.  I suggest you remove your numerous tags that have effectively vandalized this article. See User:Trackinfo Trackinfo (talk) 07:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Please check your edit history. I am not the only editor that thought your tags were unnecessary, inappropriate and excessive.  I did not remove your tags.  I told you to come to your senses and remove them yourself. Trackinfo (talk) 06:14, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Everestrecords: You have the rights of an editor.  If you don't like something, fix it.  (Of course your edits will be reviewed).  Instead, you have written even more text placing unnecessary tags complaining about somebody else's work (not mine).  Amongst the bots, its hard to tell exactly how many other editors have contributed to this article, but it numbers close to a dozen.  Adding information in a positive form, rather than complaining and your desire to remove content.  I will repeat my mantra.  Get off our butt.  Fix this article, if you have a problem with it.  Write articles for the other athletes you claim need to have an article.  They don't detract from wikipedia.  But your spray painting graffiti to the article, does. Trackinfo (talk) 07:21, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I am completely neutral in this matter. I know nothing of the running community, nor is it necessary to in this case. The core issue here is the neutrality of the article. I have read the article carefully and I have found nothing but facts supported with references. There is not a single opinion in the text of the article. Just because all the facts are positive, does not mean the article fails WP:Neutral. If you have some sources that provide different facts, please add them to the article. And please read WP:Neutral thoroughly before adding tags back to the article. If you wish to take this further, please read WP:Dispute resolution. —    Bill W.     (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 15:05, 27 November 2013 (UTC)