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Mario Gabelli
Mario Gabelli was listed as a student of Graham's, but journalist Warren Boroson says Gabelli told him otherwise, in a column criticizing Wikipedia (see Talk:Warren Boroson). Without a verifiable source for Gabelli, who doesn't have his own article, the citation seems non-notable and a full discussion e.g. Boroson's objections inappropriate. --Dhartung | Talk 22:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Great-uncle
According to the introduction to Ben Graham: The Memoirs of the Dean of Wall Street, Benjamin's great-uncle was the Chief Rabbi of Warsaw, who has a Wikepedia entry. Does anyone think that's significant enough to mention in this article.

Warren Buffet was a student of Mr. Graham's. Warren is from the State of Nebraska and he left this state and he enrolled in Economics classes when he found that Mr. Graham was teaching the subject at Columbia University. At the time Warren Buffet graduated from Columbia university. Warren Buffet also wanted to be Mr. Graham's apprentice. An apprentice is competely different than being an intern his student and graduating with his undergraduate quite possibly a Master's Degree in Economics. Then Warren Buffet obtained an apprenticeship with Mr. Graham. This apprenticeship is different than internship. He quite possibly lived with Mr. Graham and his family for quite some years lived and breathed Mr. Graham all his steps throughout his day every breath he took and became like Mr. Graham. Warren Buffet became and is a multi-billionaire with his actions by age 25. I learned about Warren Buffet even at my age in a book called One minute millionaire is about Michelle Gideon from Colorado a wife and mother of children her husband died Gideon in a violent horrid car accident in that state leaving Michelle and her children alone. She was a waitress in Colorado ski lodge and was serving dinner one night to The One Minute Millionaire Club in Colorado and met her mentor at this dinner and Warren Buffet and Mr. Graham became her mentors and people to act and breath like to step like or do whatever they do and think like and to be educated like. I also looked up Warren Buffet and found pictures of him are different like not the same person throughout the web at all. I found this. Maybe in those times you could become a billionaire using the web, the book gives you options, but Michelle exceeded millionaire status did this I think in 9 months or less. Not finished this book at all but read most of it.

Warren Buffet owns Dairy Queen and or is the major stockholder and owns the higher number of shares in various corporations throughout the world. These major franchises are also found on the web with complete listings of Mr. Graham's student and apprentices' successes in his lifetime. He is most certainly beyond impressive.The articles claim that Warren Buffet and other got real close to multi-billionaires in a student teacher and apprenticeship relationship even putting pictures of their god on the wall of their home even approaching them with incredible drive to be them to think like Mr. Graham to wear what he wears drive what he drives, eat what he ate, celebrate like he did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.188.251.44 (talk) 17:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

inconsistency
Is there not something inconsistent about these two claims? 1. Benjamin Graham (8 May 1894 – 21 September 1976) 2. He currently teaches Latin and World Geography at Millard North High School in Omaha, Nebraska. I don't feel experienced enough to change this, but am I missing something? Rban 07:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * looks like vandalism. I fixed it--Jms2000 16:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge
I have added merge tags indicating that the information from Benjamin Graham formula should possibly be merged into this article on Benjamin Graham. The formula article does not seem to have enough information to stand on its own, either factually or in regards to context. Without this article, the formula article is confusing to unfamilliar readers such as myself. I believe it would better serve as a section in this article, especially since this article would not be made overly long by the merge. *Vendetta* (whois talk edits) 07:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

He never wrote that the market was a weighing machine
Graham never wrote that the market was a weighing machine in the long run. This contradicts what he did write - that the stock market was not weighing machine because it does not measure any attribute of a company directly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.67.8.204 (talk) 14:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

They are different articles
Despite the shortness of this article, there should be a different pages for biographical information on Graham, on the one hand, and his formulas, on the other. After all, he's quite an important figure in the history of business academia. If anything, I think people should focus on expanding this article. Perhaps, someone wants to create a brief section on his formulas with a preceeding link that directs users to the "main article," with more complete and lengthy information. That is done with many articles that have sub-sections that require separate pages with more detailed information. ask123 17:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Should not be merged
The forumula bit should not be merged into the Benjamin Graham article. For anyone who has read "The intelligent investor" and "Security Analysis" know that it's not that simple. The multiplicator CHANGES depending on inflation, average return on equity and so on. It would be missleading to just dish out a forumla here and think you are then investing like graham would have done. I'm highly sceptical to the formula page. Anyone who has read a bit of Grahams work KNOW that you can't dish out a forumla for it.

The Formula page is rubbish
The formula page is just rubbish. I agree with what is said above. You can NOT make a simple formula and expect to do well with value investing. Come on, the book "security analysis" is approx 700 pages. Why would Graham and Dodd need to write 700 pages if it was just a formula? It's just so much more to it than this formula, that I don't even now where to start. It's misleading to present it this way. Some people might read it and think they are doing sound investment based on this formula, and to be honest they are likely to loose money. If you like to have misleading rubbish that might cause people to actually loose money, then fine go a head and merge it.

Change "Formulas" to "Teachings" or Scrap That Page
Whoever wrote the "Should Not Be Merged" section (I don't know because s/he did not sign his/her post), I agree. I spoke before without reading into the whole issue. I agree that the formulas hardly encompass Security Analysis or The Intelligent Investor. Maybe the formulas page is garbage to begin with. If that's the case, then someone should revise that page to be an pertaining to all of his teachings. I certainly agree that the formulas alone are hardly enough to enter the market. I just didn't see why a separate page just for formulas was needed. ask123 16:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 10:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Links to summaries of two key books
I suggest an external link be added to the chapter-by-chapter summaries of Intelligent Investor, written by Frank Voisin, and the chapter-by-chapter summaries of Securities Analysis over at Barel Karsan --Skarsa72 (talk) 02:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No objections, therefore added --Skarsa72 (talk) 19:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I object and have reverted. One link was placed with an obvious conflict of interest, and the second is being promoted in various unrelated articles by you. Themfromspace (talk) 19:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Who qualifies as a "Graham disciple"?
Graham's disciples should only be people who worked with Graham personally (i.e. at Columbia Business School and/or Graham Newman Partners) or were direct students of Graham (at Columbia) or apprentices or Graham. A person who was simply inspired by Graham or adopted value investing after reading Security Analysis or The Intelligent Investor does not count. Please keep in mind that there are many talented and famous value investing figures (like Jean-Marie Eveillard, Charlie Munger, Max Heine, Michael Price, etc.) who do not meet this criteria to be considered a "disciple". Please do not add these individuals to the list. Many thanks. Cheers, ask123 (talk) 16:24, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Whoever keeps adding the name "Hani M. Anklis" to the list of disciples, please stop. As far as I can tell, Mr. Anklis is not of enough importance or relevance to be mentioned in this article. Only well-known, "notable" disciples are to be included. A good test is to ask yourself if the disciple in question is notable or important enough to have his/her own Wikipedia article. If the answer is yes, then maybe that person should be mentioned in this article. If the answer is no, then that person should probably be omitted. Millions have been influenced by Graham. They cannot and should not all be mentioned in here. If someone can come up with evidence that Mr. Anklis is worthy of mention, please post it here so that everyone can see it. I cannot find anything. Cheers, 68.161.240.184 (talk) 21:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Personal life
The below section has been moved here from the main page because even though it is mentioned in the Snowball, it was not said by Buffett and the author of the Snowball has not quoted any sources for these allegations. The content and language of these allegations are highly damaging and need a reliable source.

According to The Snowball (a biography of Warren Buffett), Graham had an affair with his deceased son's girlfriend (Marie Louise Amingues) and used to travel to France frequently to visit her. He later separated from his wife Estey in New York, after she refused his offer of living in New York for six months and France for six months. Marie Louise was content to live with Graham without marriage.


 * Whether "these allegations are highly damaging" or not is not a matter for an encyclopaedia to determine. The "allegations" are made in a published biography, and are correctly quoted here. The article makes no claim as to the truthfulness of the facts, but having been been published in a nonfiction bestseller, it is certainly notable enough to be included in this article. Owen&times; &#9742;  02:45, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The biography was not that of Graham but of Buffett. There at least needs to be a note that even though these allegations were published, they were not said by Buffett, whose biography the book claims to be, and the author does not cite any sources for these comments about a third person. This is one of the most highly respected men in history. Wikipedia might not be interested in the truthfulness of these published statements but should at least present a neutral unbiased view of the facts, and the fact is that these statements were published with no sources whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.197.64.9 (talk) 03:41, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree, and I think the version you edited is a good compromise. Well done! Owen&times; &#9742;  17:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)