Talk:Benjamin Kapelushnik

Russian marking bar mitzvah is nonsense!
The article has two contradictory statements: 1) he is the son of Russian immigrants; 2) he had bar mitzvah money, which means he is Jewish, not Russian: bar mitzvah is a rite of Judaism, while Russians for over a millennium have been (Eastern Orthodox) Christians and do not celebrate Judaism rites. Please correct. GregZak (talk) 19:11, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , um, Russian Jews exist. Most of them live in Israel or in America. You can read about them here: History of the Jews in Russia. This article is also pretty gruesome. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 19:37, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Dr. Swag Lord, Russian Jews exist? Certainly. I am one genetically myself. But it is wrong to say Russia's Jewish = Russian because the primary meaning of Russian is the easternmost Slavic ethnicity. In my mother tongue Russian there are two different words with different stems for 1.the Slavic ethnicity (русский /ROOS-skeey/ in the masculine nominative/) and 2. a native of Russia of any ethnicity (россиянин /ros-see-YA+nin/) - an umbrella term like British over English and Scottish, or American / US national/ US citizen / US-born. The confusion lies with the English word Russian. We were called before 1991 another umbrella term "Soviet people". Translation into Russian of the word Russian can often be wrong, using the ethnic designation. Also to be Jewish is ambiguous in English and may cause misunderstanding, at least in translation into Russian where there are two different words 1) еврей /yev-REY/ for a male representative of of Jewish ethnicity (yes, traditionally of one particular religion, Judaism), and 2) иудей /ee-oo-DEY/ for a Judaism believer, which is not necessarily the same now and can cause misunderstanding. The boy must be quoted as a/the son of [Jewish] emigrants / immigrants from Russia, not just Russian. GregZak (talk) 05:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for that. So are you now saying you want the article to say: Kapelushnik is the son of Jewish Russian immigrants? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 05:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, the meaning is just that. (Although I cannot quite adapt to the usage of Russian in English indiscriminately outside the Slavic ethnicity, but I probably have, while the other day I exploded over a related question on Quora asking whether Poles could be called Russians because they were part of Russia once). GregZak (talk) 05:20, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , brat, I wouldn't have a problem doing that. However, reliable sources have to actually state that Kapelushnik is a son of Jewish Russian immigrants. As of right now, I don't have any reliable sources stating that he is Jewish. Obviously, since he had a bar-mitzvah he is Jewish, but we can't actually write that he is Jewish since that would be a form of orginal research. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 05:28, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, Russian Jewish or Jewish Russian... American... Whatever -

as long as he is not an ethnic Russian marking bar mitzvah - until proven both. Although converts occasionally appear, but I believe they are adults, a rarity. GregZak (talk) 13:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

See also StockX
Should StockX be in the "See also" section? As far as I can tell, it's completely unrelated to Kapelushnik: it's just a business that operates in the same field. According to MOS:ALSO the "articles linked should be related to the topic of the article." pburka (talk) 23:28, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , How are they not related? Kapelushnik sells high-priced sneakers. StockX is one of the largest platforms in the world where you can buy/sell high-priced sneakers. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 23:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Does Kapelushnik sell on their platform? Or is StockX an unrelated business operating in the same field? Imagine if every page about a restaurant had a "see also" link to McDonald's (one of the largest chains of restaurants in the world where you can buy food). pburka (talk) 23:36, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Why would he have to sell on their platform? Unlike Mcdonald's or the restaurant industry, sneaker reselling is a very niche market. How many other sneaker resellers have their own WP page? How many other sneaker businesses have their own WP page? StockX is referenced in this article on Kapelushnik. And the owner of StockX estimated Kapelushnik's net worth in this Forbes article. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 23:45, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks kind of like advertising to me, but if you're convinced it should be there, consider adding an explanation as suggested in MOS:ALSO, "when a link's relevance is not immediately apparent." pburka (talk) 23:52, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok will do! Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 23:54, 16 April 2021 (UTC)