Talk:Benjamin Outram

Talk #1
As a Derby person, it grieves me to say it, but the Derby Canal aqueduct was not the first. According to Schofield, Telford's aqueduct was opened in March 1795, while Outram's was not open until 1796. (Schofield, R.B., (2000) Benjamin Outram, Cardiff: Merton Priory Press) Chevin 10:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk #2
4o years ago an 80 year old mining engineer told me that Benjamin Outram invented the flanged wheel, which avoided the need for L-shaped rails - a major saving. Does anyone know if this is true and if he didn't then who did? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malcolmfifer (talk • contribs) 23:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It is very difficult to work out who did what first. Although it is said that Outram preferred the L shaped rails, he must have experimented with edge rails as it was his partner, William Jessop, who is said to have pioneered them for the railway associated with the Charnwood Forest Canal. Chevin (talk) 07:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing but I doubt that the move from L-spaed rail actually saved money at that time. More likely the I-shaped rails were found to be stronger and so were able to carry more load at speed and with less flexing. Ephebi (talk) 23:23, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * L plate rails tended to become blocked with rubbish and stones. With edge rails it was difficult for other transport or for walking Chevin (talk) 07:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Portrait
Does somebody knows if it exists a portrait of Benjamin Outram ? On the net i've founded ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and the only portrait founded on google reguards another Benjamin Outram (surgeon and lord if i remember, XIX century). I'm simply searching for the existance of a portrait of him, the "first father of railways" (tram), before Stephenson. Perhaps in some ancient archives or libraries in London or Derby... Of course, as portrait I don't intend a photo. He died in 1805, 21 years before "the first surviving photo".

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