Talk:Bentley University/Archive 1

Graduate Programs
Seems promotional.

Athletics
The Athletics section says that Bentley's nickname is the "Falcons" however, the school's nickname is not the falcons, but rather, bentley sports teams are the Bentley Falcons. I'm not sure exactly how to phrase this, so if someone else wants to edit this, I would appreciate it.   --NdnDivA--    —Preceding unsigned comment added by NdnDivA (talk • contribs) 22:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

External links section
It's getting pretty long. I just edited it to have some structure, as opposed to an unsorted list. However, I vote for pruning the list -- Greek Life is an umbrella organization for all fraternities and sororities, and I added a link to Bentley's list of official student organizations. I'd like to prune the list, but want to get some consensus first. Fogster 19:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Administration
The Administration section seems much longer than is normal for articles about local colleges / universities. I won't be the one to ax it, but I'd propose that people at least consider paring it down. Fogster 01:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts on this? If no one objects, I think I'm going to remove it -- no comparable schools seem to have a similar section, it's lengthy, uninteresting, and 99% comprised of links to pages that don't exist. Anyone disagree? Fogster (talk) 05:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Minor edit
Bentley College is in transition to become a university. There was a sentence that said it should be "officially known as 'BENTLEY' in the mean time."

First, "meantime" is one word. Second, no institution is ever known as just a name, much less one in ALL CAPS. It is a college until it is designated a university. Check the official Bentley College Web site.

NPOV
added later: I think the below statement is rediculous. I have no association with bentley but I am from the Boston area where it is common knowledge that Bentley churns out accountants to businesses. I do not know much about the rets of the school but they are known for accounting and so massive delations of this fact are not nessesery.

I'm curious why the NPOV tag was placed on this article. It seems ok to me. Powers 14:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

It reads a bit like a prospectus with lines such as "Bentley students are heavily recruited by the top accounting firms in the nation." I don't think that's acceptable without a decent citation, particularly using as vague a term as "heavily". Dancarney 13:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

A: Although a citation of which firms recruit with statistics backing that claim would be nice, it is a true. Bentley students, accounting and finance majors, are heavily recruited by top firms. For more info, visit Bentley's career services website or call the college for details. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.168.67.112 (talk • contribs).

168.168.67.112...you work at Mercer. Either you helped Bentley, and this is some sort of ad campaign, or you're actually speaking the truth.

I've deleted a load of stuff which ay be factually accurate, but is not relevant for an encyclopaedia entry. I altered the info in the sidebox to reflect the style of the entry for Harvard, which I thought would be a good guide. I think this article is now NPOV, but would like a 2nd opinion before removing tag. Dancarney 01:24, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Not sure that Bentley is a university yet. I understand it wants to become one, and that is why it has dropped the word "College" from its title in many places on web site, in literature, etc. It has launched its first one or two PhD programs, but I am not sure if that alone qualifies it to be regarded as a "university." Doesn't that require some sort of peer recognition or maybe certification from an education group? davidb0229


 * I second the vote for the removal of the NPOV tag. The article's been "sanitized" and it's absolutely NPOV, though in exchange it lost a lot of content. On the question of whether or not it's a university, in the University definition of it, it's not a university as it despite granting doctoral degrees (quaternary education), the Carnegie Classifications do not classify Bentley as a university yet--Dali-Llama 20:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Bentley has been a university for years. It is only now that Bentley is taking on the name university. Yes, I work for Mercer. I am an alumni. I do not do work for Bentley. I do not work on ad campaigns. I work within an investment consulting practice. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.168.67.112 (talk • contribs).
 * On Bentley's own website it makes no claim to be a University. For example: "Bentley College is a business school. We do for students interested in business and related professions what the leading technological universities do for students of science and engineering." That, to me, suggests that it is not a Uni.

Dancarney 18:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That's more related to its educational focus rather than its degree-granting classification. It's like saying MIT is an engineering school, not a university. It's two separate things. In any case, "business school" usually has an MBA connotation, which is not the only degree offered. --Dali-Llama 15:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Bentley now has a PhD program, so a university classification is not far off.

-- I work at Bentley and am an alumni of Bentley. The college is steps from university status and since that is a major change they've dropped the designator in prep for the change. There is no hard word on how far away the change will be but it must take place through the Mass Board of Higher Ed, and has not happened yet. Therefore it is a college, not a university. As for the concerns regarding the truth of the statements present, I can't understand why the rankings were deleted in addition to everything else. They are easily verifiable and while the word "accolades" may have been inappropriate the rankings were not. This alone makes me wonder why the other material was deleted. The college widely disseminates these facts, including on it's own website (http://www.bentley.edu/about/facts.cfm). Hardvard's entry has them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard#Views_of_Harvard) as well, if that entry is being held as the standard. Placement data is easily available from the Career Services site, including Placement Statistics for 2005 (http://ecampus.bentley.edu/dept/ocs/undergrad/Career%20Profiles%202005%20dist-%20UG%20Profile%206-months.pdf) and Sample employers for 2004 (http://ecampus.bentley.edu/dept/ocs/undergrad/sample_placements.html). I doubt they will ever publicly release statistics for particular employers since the employers would view that as a release of privileged information. A good majority of my peers went on to work for KPMG, Deloitte, Anderson, Ernst, and PWC. If the school's business focus is in any doubt, have a look at the degree reqs for CIS students (http://cis.bentley.edu/UGprograms/requirements.asp). *Everyone* has to take the business core classes, regardless of degree. That's what the school is known for. I'm a CIS grad and I can do my taxes while sleeping, and I'm not joking. People at this school readily volunteer to do them. I *like* doing them. "83% hold doctoral degrees, Faculty-student ratio: 1 to 13" was deleted. Here (http://www.bentley.edu/academics_research/faculty_research/faculty_database/index.cfm) are the faculty profiles... no offense but I'll trust the 83% number rather than count through all of those profiles. Between the facts page and the profiles you should be able to put a ratio together as well. The numbers from the sidebar make the ratio closer to 1:12.3 though. Why was the tuition data deleted? Hunt (http://www.bentley.edu/undergraduate/financial/index.cfm) around (http://www.bentley.edu/graduate/financial.cfm) for it. We don't hide it! Why was "There are opportunities to be involved in academically oriented groups, the creative and performing arts, student government, campus newspapers and radio station, fraternity and sorority life." deleted when that list of orgs is right below it? If you don't believe it, the official list is here too (http://ecampus.bentley.edu/studentorgs/). If you have a question about them feel free to ask. As the {now former} EVP of SGA I helped 10 or 20 of them to official recognition. The bus service was deleted? I'll give you the bits about Boston, although the students really do go in quite often partly to get to all of those internships (http://ecampus.bentley.edu/dept/ocs/undergrad/internship_program.html) at the accounting firms that LEAD to the jobs in question. Funny how that internship page has special instructions for the accounting applications, isn't it? Anyway, the bus service is called a shuttle, and here is the site (http://www.bentley.edu/student-life/shuttle_service.cfm). Go wild. I've been on it hundreds of times. It exists too. The college publicizes this because it is a few miles from Boston and they want to make the point that the students can still get to Boston quite easily. While I can't cite anything in response to the deletion of "to accommodate growing enrollment and student demand for education blending academic study and extracurricular opportunities", it is a commonly understood reason. The Boylston street location was an office building and the school simply out grew it. The distance from Boston is easy to get (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=175+forest+st,+waltham,+ma&daddr=boston,+ma), as are the routes around it. I understand there were concerns about the entry sounding like a prospectus but the degree of deletions borders on malice. I can't help but peruse our competitor's entries and note how much of the deleted material is on their entries as well. Please count this as a vote for returning to the 2/27 entry. Jwells 15:33, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

 I agree that the page should move back to the 2/27. The lack of information here, when compared to Bryant and others, is appalling.

 Agreed - those who have no affiliation or true knowledge of the school other than what they read on the internet have no place in editing Bentley College's description. Get a life.

 Please move back the page to the 2/27. Bentley College is a business university. The Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching classifies the Bentley College as Master's Colleges and Universities (larger programs)(Please check the fact on http://www.carnegieclassification-preview.org/). Also there is a former President's interview related to this issue. Please see http://ecampus.bentley.edu/bl/bl090501/university.html. Anyone who has a problem of this issue, please take a look at it. Also I would say that we could add information "facts about Bentley" on the website (http://www.bentley.edu/about/facts.cfm). If anybody would have a problem about any information on the website, she/he can contact the Bentley College.
 * Right now the only major difference between the 2/27 version and the current one is the rankings and accolades portion. You are absolutely free to reinsert that information (though please do not revert due to other changes, which include the infobox formatting), provided you cite your sources per the NPOV policy. If you can find the specific URL for the Carnegie Classification (I wasn't able to) then we can also settle the college/university debate while we're at it.--Dali-Llama 18:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

 The URL of 2005 The Carnegie Classification. Try http://www.carnegieclassification-preview.org Please look up Bentley College.

The rankings and accolades section is completely valid and there are numerous sources proving such. The fact that this great institution's name has been run through the mud on this website is appauling. Whoever questioned the validity of these facts certainly did it maliciously

http://www.bentley.edu/about/facts.cfm#rankings


 * It's not about the "name of a great institution"--it's about accuracy and presenting a neutral point-of-view.--Dali-Llama

Shuttle Service
Bentley no longer offers a shuttle service to waltham. there's one shuttle to harvard square and a separate shuttle that goes around campus and to north campus. that needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.133.169.226 (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The on-campus one actually does go into Waltham every few hours. This is really about as frequently as it used to be, too. Now it just spends the rest of its time circling campus. (I just checked the schedule to confirm this.) Fogster 01:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

This is no longer true... There are currently only two shuttles. One if the campus loop shuttle that runs from lower campus to Collins, then to upper campus, the to North Campus. The regular shuttles picks up students on campus, stops in Waverly Square (if you request it), then goes to Harvard Square

Administration
As my previous queries have drawn no criticism, I have removed the "Administration" section, for the following reasons: Fogster (talk) 02:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's too specific.
 * It's lengthy.
 * Of the dozens of names, one refers to someone meeting Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and she's already mentioned in the article.
 * Schools of comparable size don't seem to have similar sections.

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Louis Falcone
Why is he listed in notable alumni? Does someone have a reason? I f so, either  a reference of short note to explain why. Or, should we drop him? Mwinog2777 (talk) 05:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Promotional content
This article came to my attention when I noticed the peacock term “unrivaled” in a search. Looking at the article, I found parts that were promotional and needed to be removed or rewritten: in particular the mission statement in the lede, all but the first paragraph of the HCFS section, virtually all of the CBE section, and the mission statement in the fraternity/sorority section. (Mission statements are inherently promotional.) I also found additional peacock terms such as “pioneer,” “world-class,” “world’s leading.”

Perhaps I should note that in the 2006 discussion above about an editor repeatedly offered pages at bentley.edu or contacting the college for verification of information in the article. Perhaps things have changed since 2006, but at least today the subject of an article is not regarded as a reliable source for most facts about subject. —teb728 t c 01:54, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Logo out of date
The shield used currently on the wiki page is outdated. New branding guidelines can be found on the Brand Section of the Bentley University website.Cmeyfarth (talk) 20:44, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

There's a new logo now. It says "paratus" under it. Needs to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.133.156.186 (talk • contribs) 21:23, November 11, 2012‎

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