Talk:Bera, Count of Barcelona

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He was not a frankish, attending his name he should be from visigothic descendant. May'be proceeding from a family refugee after the defeating of visigothic kingdom of Toledo (late VII century). --Bestiasonica (talk) 17:46, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I tend to agree that he was not Frankish; I can find no documented record that William of Gellone had a Visigothic wife. No one seems to agree who his first wife was, or who his children were. He is said to have named four sons in his will, but I can find no record of their names, except Gaucelm, who seems to have betrayed Bera to Louis the Pious(not a brotherly act). William did not leave Charlemagne's court until 790 when he was dispatched to Toulouse to try to bring order to Aquitaine and to defend Aquitaine and Septimania from Moorish attacks. His second wife was supposedly a Moorish widow of the Moor who controlled the area around Orange, in the Vaucluse. William is also called William of Orange for his victory there sometime in 791-92. Bera of Razès was too old and was probably the son of William of the County Of Razès south of Carcassone. This William of Razès and Carcassone is confused with william of Toulouse(Gellone, Orange, Autun). It is quite believable that this William of Razès might have had a Visigothic wife.{DocSpenser} — Preceding unsigned comment added by DocSpenser (talk • contribs) 01:24, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you provide references to support your changes about Bera's parents? Otherwise this would be an unsupported claim and tagged as such. Thanks! --Jdemarcos (talk) 08:47, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No answer after three days. I am reverting this unreferenced change. Please provide valid references to restore it. --Jdemarcos (talk) 08:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)