Talk:Berkeley Student Cooperative

the Afro house section
Can someone who knows a little more about the demographic make-up of the house edit this section for neutrality? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.204.83 (talk) 04:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Renaming the page
Does anyone know how to rename a page? Now the the University Students Cooperative Association page is dead, I'd love to take that name and get rid of that annoying hyphen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rocknjosie (talk • contribs) 2005-09-06 07:35 (UTC)


 * I have renamed it. Mike Dillon 19:10, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

rename lothlorien hall
I have been working on the Madison Community Cooperative wiki page, and I want to try to organize the lothlorien and lothlorien (cooperative) part of wikipedia. currently, it's a mess of redirects and incorrect/weird names. I was thinking along the lines of renaming lothlorien hall to Lothlorien Cooperative, Berkeley, or whatever makes the most sense to elves there. this would make a better naming standard and would allow for other lothlorien cooperatives to be listed, for example Lothlorien Cooperative, Madison, and texas.

Alexhuntrods 11:54, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Neutrality of Article
I feel that this article is biased because it fails to mention any criticisms of the co-op system. In particular, I'd like to see mention of the lawsuits against the USCA and the recent drug related death. --69.232.217.21 02:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge House info?
Two of the individual house articles have been deleted from Wikipedia, another has failed an AfD but not yet been deleted, and many others don't really meet Wikipedia requirements to be kept, and would probably be deleted if proposed at Articles for Deletion. I propose to incorporate the (encyclopedic content from the) individual house articles as sections in this article, and delete all the house articles other than those for Barrington Hall and Cloyne Court Hotel. I've prepared a revised USCA article with the proposed change at User:Argyriou/University Students' Cooperative Association. Comments? Αργυριου (talk) 19:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The problem with this proposal is that it would make this page too long. While I agree that individually the houses themselves may not be notable, it is a better way to organize the information about the USCA, which is notable. This is a case of applying a policy literally without thinking about the consequences of what you're doing. I would suggest restoring the deleted pages. MarcusGraly 17:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I recreated the two deleted articles. MarcusGraly 18:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Marcus - the draft article with all the houses incorporated is 33kB long, which is not really too long. You didn't need to undelete the Sherman Hall and Lothlorien articles; I've already incorporated the text from them into the draft. Αργυριου (talk) 18:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks.18.51.2.136 15:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, i see i'm a bit late as you've already merged everything, but i'd still like to dissent. First, a logistic problem: i see that you are leaving Cloyne's page separate and mirroring it here. I'm not sure how you plan to keep the two pages synced, and i suspect it will be impossible. I think a better solution would be to create a short, superficial snippet below the link to the Main Article. Second, a necessity problem: i don't understand why some of the merged pages needed to be merged at all. I understand that some small houses were AfD'd, but several of the merged pages clearly had enough content to merit their own separate entry. Third, a selection problem: i see the only active house you chose to not merge is Cloyne. While their house history is more ... er, colorful than most other houses, there is no real difference in the quantity of historical content between Cloyne and, say, Kingman or Davis. The only distinction is that the Cloyne page now has an "Incidents" section, which hardly qualifies as encyclopedic information as much as sensationalistic news. Being the (previously unnotified) primary author of the CZ entry, i've reverted the Casa Zimbabwe page and added a Main Article link on the USCA page accordingly. Wjmallard 04:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I posted a merge notice on all the affected articles about a week ago; that should have been enough notice. Per your suggestion, I've trimmed way back the Cloyne section in this article. I believe that Cloyne is significantly more notable than other USCA houses because of its size (largest other than Barrington) and its architectural history. Actually, based on history, Euclid is probably the second or third most notable building in the USCA. Even if Davis or Kingman (or Lothlorien) are notable because of their history, CZ isn't really. Αργυριου (talk) 22:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Casa Zimbabwe, formerly the Ridge Project, is certainly historically notable as the first college student housing in the nation to provide co-ed housing! Jenniferheller (talk) 19:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Merged!
It's done. I've left Cloyne Court Hotel and Barrington Hall standing, but all the other house articles (and many redirects to them) have been made into redirects to this article. This article requires some cleanup. I've taken the unusual step of having references in each section, because the references really are just for the section, and merging them into one section at the bottom would be messy. Αργυριου (talk) 19:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The references at the end of each house's section need to be made inline citations. If you know where each specific reference goes, please make them inline. Gobonobo  T C 02:28, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Stebbins lizard mascot
This appears to be a new thing; I lived there for 3 years from 98-01 and never heard of such a prior tradition or mascot, thus I question whether it deserves mention. The fact that Kidd is right behind Stebbins and can be accessed via the backyard or its murals (don't know who the artist is that they're an homage to) seem to be more worthy mentions. Broken Sphere Msg me 01:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Key sections missing
There's no mention of the workshifts, point system, or how each house governs itself (managers, meetings), all integral to how the co-ops operate, serious deficiencies at this point. Broken Sphere Msg me 22:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

False statement about African American Theme house
In regards to the African American Theme house that:

>It is also the only co-op at Berkeley that is not listed by name on the official campus maps.[1]

But if you look at the map you'll see that no co-ops or fraternities/sororities are listed on the map.

So I'm removing the line.

76.105.52.23 (talk) 11:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Public Name of USCA has changed to Berkeley Student Cooperative
I made this update for the first paragraph but at least two things still need to be done:
 * Make the name change in the rest of the article. For reference's to the BSC in the past I'm not sure whether to use the name used at the time or the current name.


 * Changing the page linking and including BSC and Berkeley Student Cooperative (this I also don't know how to do)

Hoping To Help (talk) 02:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've moved the page to Berkeley Student Cooperative and changed most of the uses of USCA in the article to BSC. I wasn't sure when it happened, but the history section at the top of the article could use a date when the name change took place. Gobonobo  T C 02:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Davis House sex ratio
Under the Davis house section it states: <blockquote Davis House was co-ed, and every effort was made to have an equal number of men and women, or as close to it as possible.

I'm going to change this to: "Davis House has always been co-ed."

About their being an equal number of men and women -- I'd need the person who wrote this to be more specific. At least from 1980 forward sex ratios were set by Central Office. At first being tied to UCB's ratio (about 60/40 at the time) and then switching over to shooting for 50/50. So I'm not sure what the original quote is referring to. But I'd be happy to find out! Hoping To Help (talk) 01:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

General USCA comments in Euclid house section
This was in the the Euclid Hall section: Your experience living in the co-ops is greatly determined by the random mix of students who live there at the same time. Some groups can be into the commmunal and cooperative aspect of the work- while others just want cheap housing close to campus.

It it a statement that applies to all the co-op houses and not just Euclid Hall and so doesn't belong in this section and so I've removed it.

Something like it could possibly be put in the general section, but (while a true statement) comes off as rather non-encyclopedic (at in its current form). Hoping To Help (talk) 02:13, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Resources
Below is a compilation of resources for info on the BSC. Please add! Eekiv (talk) 17:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * General resources
 * The Green Book: A history of the Berkeley Student Cooperative
 * Berkeley Architectural Heritage Association
 * It's a Co-op: Present-day study of the architectural spaces/features of a cooperative house. Lots of BSC examples.
 * BSC Policy resources.
 * Berkeley Public Library History Room:
 * A City in History: online history, by the library staff
 * Berkeley History Room: A special collection at the main library, on 2090 Kittredge.
 * Kingman Hall
 * An article on the history of the building from the Berkeley Architectural Heritage Association.
 * Cloyne
 * Cloyne Court Hotel: historical article by the Berkeley Architectural Heritage Assn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eekiv (talk • contribs) 17:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Houses with Main articles
BSC article currently lists three houses in the BSC system with Main articles:
 * Cloyne Court Hotel
 * Casa Zimbabwe
 * Stebbins Hall (Cooperative House)

It would be nice to create articles for some of the other large Medium-sized houses. This would also help cut down on the length of this article, which is very unwieldy at this point. A good starting point would be houses that can house over 50 people:
 * Andres Castro Arms
 * Hillegass Parker House
 * Hoyt Hall
 * Kingman Hall
 * Lothlorien

ozhu (talk·contribs) 21:21, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Name Change from Ridge Project to Casa Zimbabwe
My name is Greg Vassilakos. I was a resident of Ridge Project from the fall of 1981 to the spring of 1983. I was satisfied with the name of the house. We referred to ourselves as Projectiles. At that time, the USCA had a Minority Affairs committee that was looking to increase the number of minorities at Berkeley in general and in the co-ops in particular. The word “project” had a negative association with public housing, so there was active discussion of changing the name from Ridge Project. An additional issue was the frequent confusion between Ridge Project and Ridge House.

I remember the name “Casa Zimbabwe” first being discussed in early 1983. The name was proposed by Ruben Toyos (Torres?) and Rodney Ferguson. Rodney was the house president. Ruben was on the Minority Affairs committee. Having a mix of Spanish and African words in the name was a strong selling point for Casa Zimbabwe.

Several alternative names were proposed. I vaguely recall an informal poll. I voted for Terrapin Station.

I have seen statements here and elsewhere that the name “Casa Zimbabwe” was satirical. This is absolutely false. Those who championed the name were dead serious about it. White minority rule had recently ended in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, and Robert Mugabe was hailed as a hero. Many believed that Zimbabwe would become a prosperous western-style democracy.

- Greg V. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg christine (talk • contribs) 21:37, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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History
Andres Castro Arms has recently transitioned to the Person of Color Theme House in Fall 2016. Can someone with some more specific info on the matter write something about this transition in the History section? Sambauman (talk) 03:50, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Andres Castro Arms
Can someone add some details to this section regarding the recent transition to the People of Color Theme House? Sambauman (talk) 03:56, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Which details? It is continuing with the tradition of creating theme houses to encourage changes in the cooperative at a larger scale. So current demographic shows that PoC are underrepresented in houses, so PoC house is trying to change that. Mitar (talk) 04:01, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

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== Properties section ==

Is there a better way this section could be organized? All the bold lettering is confusing. It matches the heading style which makes it even more difficult to navigate. Having the references listed in each section is even more ridiculous. It's not organized in accordance with policy. Andrew Z. Colvin • Talk 06:04, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The properties section needs to be shrunk. For some houses there's more info on the BSC page than on the particular house page. I will begin transferring all of the unnecessary for this page info into the particular house pages. Rybkovich (talk) 05:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Started shrinking entries. For the houses with their own articles, all the non-basic info is transferred there. For houses without their own pages, I'm compacting the info, nothing is deleted. When there are historical references I re-do them as citations following history info. Bolding of titles are undone as they are confusing as listed in comments by other editors above. Rybkovich (talk) 02:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Moved house pics to the gallery section, article is waaaay to big, doing that makes it more navigable Rybkovich (talk) 02:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Alumni
I took out Marion Nestle she was listed as from Stebbins, could not find anything re that and instead found a cite where she is referred to as being part of Sherman Hall but its unclear - https://bsc.coop/docs/alumni-newsletter/2016-Fall-BSC-Newsletter.pdf Rybkovich (talk) 06:43, 19 January 2022 (UTC)