Talk:Berlin Brandenburg Airport/Archive 1

IATA code
Will the IATA code for tickets and luggage handling etc be BBI ? According to List of airports by IATA code: B this code is occupied by Bhubaneshwar Airport – Bhubaneshwar, India. -- 217.209.47.130 17:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * According to a press release in February, the IATA code for the new airport will be BER, which is currently in use to refer to Berlin as a destination without specifying one of the existing airports. -- xGCU NervousEnergy 19:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Hauptstadt-Airport BBI
I removed the following text: An alternative name could be Hauptstadt-Airport BBI. To a native speaker, Hauptstadt-Airport BBI is a descriptive phrase (the capital's airport, BBI), not a proper name in the source. -- 3 2 4 7     (talk) 16:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Rename this article
The new Airport is called Flughafen Berlin Brandenburg "Willy Brandt". The term BBI is outdated and was working name. Please rename this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.225.76.0 (talk) 13:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I could see renaming it Berlin Brandenburg Airport, but I doubt that "Willy Brandt" will be part of its common name, just as "Otto Lilienthal" is not part of the common name of Tegel Airport. +Angr 16:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, the title here should have the new name. I think --Berlin Brandenburg Airport-- is the official name. The supplement Willy Brandt is rather additional than official, I believe. FinnishDriver (talk) 09:50, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

piers?
quote The airport terminal has three piers: Pier A, equipped with walk and bus boarding gates, is designated for low-cost carriers. Piers B and C have airbridges as well as remote bus boarding aircraft stands. Pier C will be used by Air Berlin and other Oneworld airlines. /quote

Is this still correct? All assignments could be wrong because we additionally have pier D now. The left side of the main terminal got assigned A (bottom) and C (top), while the right side got assigned B (bottom) and D (top). Link http://www.moniteurs.de/de#page/ed0aea1fb4cddacbe6887d7354bb9ffc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.226.172.183 (talk) 02:58, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The Names pier A, B and C are used during the construction phase. As visible in a brochure on the airport's website the designations changed with the main building divided in four areas with A and B being the left and right side of the Schengen-area and the north and south piers as their similar named lengthenings and C and D being the Non-Schengen-areas on top of the main buildings A and B areas. --84.152.251.10 (talk) 23:30, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

new (current) terminal/BER pictures?
I wonder why aren't there any current pics of the terminal or BER, just some very outdated pics of construction works in 2010 or early 2011?

Is this because of copyright? Can anyone provide some actual footage? Doesnt look very welcoming when we provide such outdated pics imho. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.226.175.144 (talk) 20:57, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

SXF accidents and incidents
I would like to discuss with you whether the accidents and incidents that occurred on the Schönefeld Airport should really be incorporated into the article relating to a new airport under construction. I think for this historic data, a link to the SXF accidents and incidents would suffise. Why not take it out? The airport doesn't even operate yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhoaxt (talk • contribs) 05:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I know what you are thinking, why not start with a clean record. But this won´t be accurate. The Schönefeld aviation history dates back now more than 80 years. There is a history part including the prewar and the GDR era in the article. This includes incidents which can´t be denied. The section seems to be a standard at all airport articles in Wikipedia. Because the BER does use SXF areas we have to recognize that the airport took an evolutionary step and is connected with the past. Greetz Aircraftmac (talk) 08:57, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I see, if you say Schönefeld aviation history, this actually makes sense. Lhoaxt (talk) 15:47, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

The report for the incident on 17.06.1989 refers to a "construction failure"; which is what, exactly? This is most likely a mistranslation of "Konstruktionsfehler" and should be "design fault". Maelli (talk) 12:51, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Airlines and destinations?
In my opinion, the airlines and destinations list should be removed from this article at this stage. It is not known when the airport will be opened, so one just can't tell which airlines will offer which flights in that (not so near) future. Of course, general statements like "Air Berlin intends to use BER as its largest hub, serving a multitude of destinations all over..." are ok (even necessary, no doubt whatsoever), and already covered in other sections of the article. But I just think that this full length list is purely speculative, violating WP:CRYSTAL. What are your thoughts and comments on that matter? --FoxyOrange (talk) 01:05, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. Too far in the future to make sense. HkCaGu (talk) 01:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. Wait until opening day (or thereabouts) when such things will be more official. Alandeus (talk) 13:00, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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"Financing" section needs rewrite
The paragraph starting "It became clear in November 2015 that..."

I've tried reading this several times and can't work out what it's trying to tell me. Since the sources are in German, I assume this was either mechanically translated, or the writer had English as a second language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckykaa (talk • contribs) 16:31, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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The article makes various mentions of the fifth and six appendix. What are these? Gsnedders (talk) 22:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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Recent Der Spiegel article
This December 2017 article could be useful. With best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

The 2nd paragraph under Delayed opening and construction flaws/2018 needs a rewrite
This paragraph... reads really weirdly to me, almost Google Translatey. Now I can't read the source material so I can't update it myself, but, yeah. 92.226.215.12 (talk) 08:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


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Projected traffic data
Do we need the Projected traffic data chapter? It is totally obsolete and does not make sense. -nagytibi ! ? 14:38, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

running stats
probably not good to give operating stats for sth that does not operate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Антон васильков (talk • contribs) 21:06, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Easyjet in BER
In recent updates, Easyjet filled capacity on BER, starting 25 Oct 2020, and ending the day before EVERYTHING on Tegel & Schonefeld. Are U2 services to be added in "airlines and destinarions" sections? (take as ref http://www.easyjet.com/it/voli-low-cost/germania/berlino/aeroporto-ber, it is from ITA Easyjet web site, but should be available also in other languages). Riktetta (talk) 07:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Revert that makes little sense to me
Hi. Could someone please explain this revert? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:00, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You are invited to lay out your reasoning on this here talk page. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi - the first part of your change I didn't really object to and I agree is probably the situation, but is not referenced at all and it WP:HIJACKed the existing established reference both of these situations are bad. The second bit about busses is also unreferenced, but mostly it does not actually say anything, Wikipedia is about certainty - such wishy washy statements like this are not encyclopaedic.  Find something solid to say properly referenced and you should not encounter any resitence to what you add.  Andrewgprout (talk) 06:01, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Need for Brandenburg addition?
Hi all, I was wondering if it's still useful to keep adding the Brandenburg addition while nowadays it's the only operational airport in the Berlin region? I think it's better to "just" name the airport "Berlin" in Ailines and Destination charts and the Airports in Germany table. To me it seems only logical to hold on to such an extra naming when there are multiple airports in thesame city (e.g. London, Paris etc.). Best regards, (Luukmlgn (talk) 11:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC))
 * I agree. Berlin should be enough. Komischn (talk) 18:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The WP:COMMON name if anything would be Brandenburg airport not Berlin airport. That said, I suppose having the full/longer name and because the numerous/various other airports I think the specificity is necessary. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Merger proposal
So I was thinking that Berlin Schönefeld Airport could be merged into this article since it turned out that the entire airport (with the Schönefeld terminals becoming Terminal 5) was integrated with the new airport to the south (albeit briefly in the case of Terminal 5). Image2012 (talk) 15:45, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep them seperate. It is perfectly reasonable to deal with both as seperate entities divided mostly by time. That is the way all sources do it. Andrewgprout (talk) 17:46, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Support, two articles for the same facility is stupid. Schonefeld has closed just like Tegel and Tempelhof, so having an article for a defunct airport is unnessecary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by T.cal.69 (talk • contribs)


 * Oppose, on the grounds that this article is already (too) long, and rather needs a split than a merger. If the two topics were one article then splitting them would have been a good idea. Renerpho (talk) 05:46, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * By the way, I just noticed there was a split proposal a while ago (see previous section), with my supporting vote as the only feedback. Maybe we should consider to go ahead with this split? Renerpho (talk) 05:51, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose, Two different characteristics. Berlin Schönefeld Airport is the historic East-Berlin airport that has had its day, whereas BER is the brand new post-unification airport. Alandeus (talk) 15:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * SXF has been operational for 30 years as a unification era airport. -- chinneeb - talk 08:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * These thirty years can be considered as a transitional period. BER has been designed as the new airport for the unified Berlin.Alandeus (talk) 07:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Support, merge both articles into one and pare it down. Having two very long articles for the same runway and building complex is confusing and pointless. Lexlex (talk) 12:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose, Schönefeld is an old airport with a history stretching back to 1934. While BER uses Schönefeld's facilities, it uses it as its Terminal 5, in a peripheral role. And it's closed down, apparently -- chinneeb - talk 08:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Schönefeld had a northern runway that was shut down in the course of construction of BER while the southern runway of BER was added for BER. Also, the terminal building is completely new and the IATA code changed Hobbitschuster (talk) 07:40, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose That's like saying we shouldn't have an article on Prussia because "it turned out" to become part of Germany. It also looks likely that the use of Schönefeld's facilities as "BER Terminal 5" may end up totalling 4 months, rather than the planned 10 years. - IMSoP (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose BER has not been "made out of" SXF, the latter has been partially integrated. The BER article is already very long, also SXF has a distinct individual history and development. Large parts of it have been incorporated into BER but as parts of a newly revised structure, not as an expansion - SXF has been heavily modified land and airside as part of this.


 * Oppose While the airports are intricately linked to each other, users searching them expect very different results. We currently have Airports of Berlin which consolidates all the different airports and makes transparent that Tegel/Schonefeld closed in favour of Brandenburg airports. Despite the other three airports not being functionally used as airports, they're still open/used for vaccine distribution, public park etc. and thus will continue to be updated. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The new airport has a distinct history from the old airport, a new terminal, and a different IATA code. If the articles were combined, we would probably find that there would be demand to split out the history into a separate article anyway. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I just noticed that this same merger was proposed back in 2006 and again in 2008. The result of both discussions was to keep the articles separate. I believe this proposal has also reached the same consensus, so I am going to close the proposal. - IMSoP (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Long Timeline Section
Now that the airport is complete, having such a long and verbose Timeline section doesn't seem to fit as well into the main article. It was much more relevant when the prolonged construction was ongoing and making headlines, but now I think it makes the article overly long and adds a lot to scroll through between the lead sections and a lot of the useful information of the article.

I'm interested in either splitting the timeline section into its own article ("Timeline of Berlin Brandenburg Airport's construction" or something along those lines) or putting the timeline information into some sort of collapsible format. Thoughts? Titan Andromeda  01:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support splitting. The article is far too long anyway, and the construction of this airport really is its own subject at this point. Renerpho (talk) 04:33, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge the de-wp has a separate article on the construction of BER, so splitting this out sounds like a good idea. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:28, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I also think it is a good idea to split the article. Tempsb (talk) 13:43, 13 February 2022 (UTC)