Talk:Bermuda shorts

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I've rewritten this, but note it is from my own experience of actually being here, coupled to books and websites about the island. I deleted this bit: "They were named after the Bermuda island because of the type of garb worn by U.S. tourists there. The actual inventor was Korean War veteran Wayne Homer." as it is news to just about everyone here in Bermuda. LeeG 20:41, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Would you care to cite those books and Web sites, please? --Rob Kennedy 22:17, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure - sorry have not been around for a bit. Here we go:
 * http://www.bermuda-online.org/shorts.htm (see about halfway down the page on this pretty comprehensive website, I can verify first hand that it's pretty accurate on most stuff)
 * http://www.poloindia.com/historyoftrousers/right_frame.htm (no idea how reliable that one is)
 * http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/Teasers/Teasers/ShortsHistory.htm (or this one)
 * http://www.bermuda4u.com/Essential/bermuda_shorts.html (this one I can say is okay from personl knowledge)
 * http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1743395,00.html (I think that one is reputable and independent)


 * I suggest you check out any guide book, such as the Lonely Planet one. That has a bit on the topic, sadly nothing on Mr Homer.  He is not mentioned in any of those sites, nor on any other site I could find, bar mirrors of this one.  As such, I think it should be deleted.  To avoid some pointless reverting here I'll leave it for a few days, and if there is a citation I have missed for his inclusion, please post it and I'll leave him in place. LeeG 16:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Wayne Homer - who?
Wayne Homer goes, no backup for the inclusion. LeeG 17:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Mbuc91 put him back. I can still find no reference anywhere to him, and even though it's original research, nobody I have asked here in Bermuda has any idea who came up with the idea. It's an irrelevance, but there are not even any residents with the surname "Homer" listed in the telephone book here. On the basis that the onus would be to prove he is the inventor, not for someone to prove that he wasn't, I have reverted the last edit. I have no desire to begin the most pointless ever edit war, so if you want him back, put him back, but it would be nice to have some factual basis for an entry here. LeeG 22:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC)



Appropriate?
Shouldn't it be "deemed inappropriate"?

I think "deemed appropriate" is correct. Usually long trousers are formal bussiness wear. On Bermuda, shorts are acceptable. makes perfect sense.

This article would really benefit from a photo. Andybuckle 09:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Good thinking. I’ve added the photoreq template for you. --Rob Kennedy 22:17, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Photo already on article when checked in 2009, have removed template from talk page. Mabalu (talk) 10:22, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Wayne Homer...
This man is NOT the inventor of Bermuda Shorts. However, he IS a veteran, and remains alive today. He is actually a guidance counselor at a college preperatory school in Covington, KY (Covington Latin School) and wears bermuda shorts an awful lot. He was added to the site as a senior prank for the graduating class a few years back. Sorry for the confusion. A Student of CLS

Inaccurate Photo
The upper photo is of cargo shorts, not Bermuda shorts. Should it be removed or replaced with a correct photo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.230.155 (talk) 14:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Above the knees or bellow the knees?
Where i live, bermudas are like shorts but end bellow the knees, shorts end above the knees (and short shorts end above the middle of the thighs). --TiagoTiago (talk) 05:28, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

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Nathaniel Coxon
The article has been edited to reverse the usual explanation that Bermuda shorts were brought to Bermuda by the army (only becoming nominally Bermudian due to Americans associating them with Bermuda, similarly to the Mediterranean crabgrass, as Bermudians refer to it, known in the United states as "Bermuda grass") so that Bermuda gave the shorts to the army:

"The invention of Bermuda shorts is attributed to native Bermudian and tea shop owner Nathaniel Coxon, who in 1914 hemmed the uniform pants of his employees allowing for more comfort in the heat. The British Army, stationed in Bermuda during World War I, adopted the shorts for wear in tropical and desert climates."

This seems far-fetched. Bermuda shorts, connoting reasonably smart short trousers, whether historically cut below the knee or today cut just above the knee, worn with knee socks and usually (though not necessarily) smart shoes, a collared shirt and tie, and with or without a blazer, were already associated with school-aged (particularly primary-school aged) boys in Britain and elsewhere before the First World War, and soldiers took to wearing shorts in a disconnected manner at various locations remote from oversight and where matters of adherence to uniform regulations came second to more practical concerns, during, and doubtlessly before, the First World War, but not in garrisons such as Bermuda. The warm weather uniform was not officially modified to include shorts until well after the war, and photographs of soldiers in Bermuda do not show shorts being worn 'til the late 1920s at the earliest. In conservative Bermuda, they were not as widely or quickly accepted as is often made out, and would not have been considered proper attire to wear to church services or other formal functions 'til recent decades. Even today, they are most popular in Bermuda with expatriates. The army did not adopt shorts as an official item of dress under the influence of Bermudians after the First World War, and certainly did not do so unofficially in various hot locales around the world during the First World War. That assertion smacks of wishful thinking. Aodhdubh (talk) 19:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)