Talk:Bernard Bosanquet (cricketer)

Copyedit
I'm doing a detailed run-through. I'll post queries here to keep the FAC nice and neat. --Dweller (talk) 20:43, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * "a rather curious, wristless style; stiff and yet powerful" - this quote from the Times is ambiguous. Does it describe his bowling, as the text implies, or batting, as the quote implies?
 * Batting, clarified. --Sarastro1 (talk) 23:18, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Eton Ramblers. Who? Why is this significant? Were they first-class matches? Should it be included at all?
 * Err... Not sure. It isn't. No. Definitely not. Not too sure why I put it in, so taken it out. --Sarastro1 (talk) 23:18, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I think the laughter at the batsmen being hit on the knee in the nets is awkward. The text here implies that being hit on the knee is funny, but it's a common enough occurrence in cricket, isn't it? Reading Bosanquet's article, I think he implies this, but is actually describing the bemusement of the batsmen as being funny. However, it's really not clear. Any ideas what to do?
 * Tried to clarify. --Sarastro1 (talk) 12:46, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I haven't changed it, but I don't think that the wikilinking of tabletop game is appropriate. Although twisti-twosti was played on a table-top, it doesn't fall into any of the categories of table-top games that are listed in the linked article. I see that twisti-twosti is briefly described later on, so the link isn't really needed anyway. JH (talk page) 10:43, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree and have removed it. --Sarastro1 (talk) 12:25, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Legacy: I'm not entirely convinced by moving the section from "Genesis" to "Legacy" as the genesis section now begins with a bald comment about twisti-twosti with no context as to why this is important. I think it was better as it was before, putting the invention of the googly with his background as a mediocre bowler who transformed into a temporary world-beater. Also, the legacy section does not really flow now, as there is a bit about Bosanquet and then his legacy which does not really concern him at all but what happened to the googly. With this in mind, I am putting it back, but feel free to discuss this further. --Sarastro1 (talk) 12:46, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Genesis: As far as I'm aware, Twisti-twosti no longer exists, so I reverted its description to the past tense. --Sarastro1 (talk) 12:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Player rankings: Not sure about this one. No other recent cricket FACs include it (I'm not sure any do from this time period) and given that there were only around 20 international bowlers at the time, I'm not sure it is too revealing given the paucity of Test cricket in the early 1900s. For example, the rating is pathetic (455) and I don't think he had enough wickets to make it meaningful. How reliable is the data for that time? It also begs the question as to who the top bowlers were: Rhodes, Noble, Saunders, Llewllyn, Barnes, Cotter, Braund and Gunn complete the top 10. Is this meaningful? I would say not enough to include in a FA. Again, I was bold and removed it, but will happily argue away over it! --Sarastro1 (talk) 13:08, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * First use of "Bosie" not discussed. --Dweller (talk) 12:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not mentioned in any of the sources. Given that it is so hard to date googly, I'm not sure it will be possible to cover Bosie. It is mentioned later in the article, but that is the best the sources allow. --Sarastro1 (talk) 12:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Inconsistency in using hyphens in terms like "off-break". --Dweller (talk) 12:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think I've got them all. --Sarastro1 (talk) 12:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Googly
The word 'googly' is used in reports of Australian cricket (and horse-racing) in 1885, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1898, 1899.

'Googly' seems to be used in the sense of 'a curly one', 'odd', 'hard to deal with', 'off-beat', a delivery that foxed the batsman.

There is a Sheffield v. Newcastle (UK) 1892 game reported where the word is also used.

Did the English teams touring in the late 19th century pick up the word from the Australian opponents and bring it home with them?

I have found an assertion that the googly was invented by Goulburn (NSW) cricketer Jacob Knopp, who certainly played against the English tourists, in 1887 and 1891:

Bluedawe : Bluedawe 03:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Very interesting. It might be a good idea to repeat your post on the talk page for googly itself. JH (talk page) 09:18, 13 June 2018 (UTC)