Talk:Bernard L. Schwartz

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Regarding the removal of the 1996 United States campaign finance controversy link, with the edit summary "rm odd link. has nothing to do with campaign finance": this article makes the connection seem like not much of a stretch. —Fleminra (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Dr. K your reference does not say "exonerated of any wrongdoing", please mirror the source. Also I did not attack you. I just added a well-sourced statement about Schwartz. And who is Jiimjilin?Jimjilin (talk) 15:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Loral agreed to pay a huge civil fine of $14 million. Is that "exoneration"?!

http://www.loral.com/inthenews/020109.html

And of course we can't ignore the findings of the House Select Committee.

For example: The rocket guidance system on which Loral and Hughes provided advice in 1996 is judged by the Select Committee to be among the systems capable of being adapted for use as the guidance system for future PRC road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles,

http://www.house.gov/coxreport/chapfs/app.html

And according to the Defense Technology Security Administration:

Loral and Hughes committed a serious export control violation by virtue of having performed a defense service without a license in the course of conducting an investigation for China of the failure of the February 1996 launch of the Long March 3B.

This activity also violated the U.S.-China Space Launch Technology Safeguards Agreement.

The defense service consisted of a full range of investigatory, engineering and corrective analyses to assist the Chinese in identifying the root cause of the failure and corrective measures.

The significant benefits derived by China from these activities are likely to lead to improvements in the overall reliability of their launch vehicles [i.e., rockets] and ballistic missiles and in particular their guidance systems.

http://www.house.gov/coxreport/chapfs/ch6.html

I suggest: Loral under CEO Schwartz was accused of transferring sensitive missile technology to the Chinese government.

or

Loral under CEO Schwartz was accused of offering unauthorized assistance to China's ballistic missile program.

Any objections?Jimjilin (talk) 08:51, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


 * All this is WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH on your part. As I explained to you on your talk, multiple reliable sources are clear that Schwartz was exonerated. I added the reliable sources in the article with quotations.:
 * A citation from the New York Times which says:


 * A Google Book:
 * The book also mentions that the company paid the fine under protest since there were no clear guidelines as to what constituted technology transfers. Also Franklin Miller, deputy secretary of defence, testified at a senate hearing that he didn't believe that there was any improvement to Chinese ICBM capability due to any information transfer from Schwartz's company. It's all in the book.
 * And this book calls them "China-bashing pseudoscandals":
 * Overall, the negative information you want to add doesn't look strong enough to be included in Schwartz's BLP. The reliable sources are clear. Schwartz was exonerated, case over: This material is not going into this BLP. Let's wait now for other editors to chime in because it is apparent to me that you do not agree with my comments to you. I will also inform BLPN. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  09:18, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I have also opened a section at BLPN. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  09:29, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Overall, the negative information you want to add doesn't look strong enough to be included in Schwartz's BLP. The reliable sources are clear. Schwartz was exonerated, case over: This material is not going into this BLP. Let's wait now for other editors to chime in because it is apparent to me that you do not agree with my comments to you. I will also inform BLPN. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  09:18, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I have also opened a section at BLPN. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  09:29, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

I propose adding: According to a House Select Committee, Loral under CEO Schwartz provided the Chinese government with advice regarding a guidance system for future PRC road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles. The Defense Technology Security Administration concluded Loral "committed a serious export control violation" and that the "significant benefits derived by China from these activities are likely to lead to improvements in the overall reliability of their launch vehicles [i.e., rockets] and ballistic missiles and in particular their guidance systems." Loral paid a fine of $20 million, the largest that a company has ever paid under the Arms Export Control Act.

References: http://www.house.gov/coxreport/chapfs/app.html

http://www.house.gov/coxreport/chapfs/ch6.html

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/print/volume-13/issue-4/departments/cots-watch/loral-arms-technology-exports-lead-to-20-million-government-fine.html

I don't want to delete the findings of the Justice Department, now why would anyone want to delete the findings of the House Select Committee or the Defense Technology Security Administration?Jimjilin (talk) 15:36, 10 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Your addition is unacceptable because Schwartz was fully exonerated per the reliable sources and your addition makes no mention of that and no mention that Franklin Miller, deputy secretary of defence, testified at a senate hearing that he didn't believe that there was any improvement to Chinese ICBM capability due to any information transfer from Schwartz's company. Your proposed addition is also in violation of WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUEWEIGHT for this article. But, as I said before let's wait for the advice of WP:BLPN on this matter. It is rather clear that we are not going to agree any time soon so we need further input from more editors. This is a wiki after all and we should wait for the input of the community since there is WP:NODEADLINE to put this POV stuff, which violates WP:BLP, into this BLP article. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  16:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

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