Talk:Bernice MacNaughton High School

"Formally"?

 * "formally known as Dr. L. Bernice MacNaughton High School"?

I always thought it was formerly known as Dr. L. Bernice MacNaughton High School... Anybody know which one it is? Yvesnimmo 00:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

It's both. It was "formally" known by the name Dr. L. Bernice MacNaughton Highschool. Now it is "formally" known as Bernice MacNaughton High School. That means it was the formal name since the student body used to use the shortened form LBMHS (now BMHS). It is also "formerly" as the name nolonger includes the full title. Both work if you want to put up an arguement but the better of the two is "formerly". LEEEROYJEEENKINS 11:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Musicals
Well, it had Shakespeare sections in it as well. I don't think it's a musical. Wikifriendawesome 11:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

NPOV
This article need to be more neutral. Sections in this article like School Atmosphere, Now and into the Future, and Legacy Left need to be written more in the voice of an encyclopedic article. Yvesnimmo 22:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Let's just say that I'm affiliated with the school. Speaking of musicals, I don't think that Broadway meets the Bard should count as a musical. It's really just a collection of songs from musicals and scenes from Shakespeare. It's more of a drama production to me. Wikiisawesome 11:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I fixed up the "Now and Into the Future" section, and I will clean up the "Legacy Left" section over the next few days. It really doesn't make any sense! Wikiisawesome 11:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The article changed significantly since Dec. 2007, I've removed the NPOV template, please use or better yet  for statements and detail issues here. This will help address them quickly. - RoyBoy 03:59, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Broadway Meets the Bard
I agree that "Broadway Meets the Bard" is not a musical but the administration considers it a musical so on this page it will be put as one of our musicals. As far as West Side Story not counting. It opens in less than a week. Cut the editors some slack. LEEEROYJEEENKINS 11:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes,
Yes, BMHS was formally known as Dr. L. Bernice MacNaughton High School before it was known as just Bernice MacNaughton High School. And before it was a High School, it was known as Bernice Macnaughton Institute of Science and Technology.

FFRTwilightPrincess 13:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Motto
I'd just like to add that the former motto of the school (before 'qui valet sustinet') was 'in deo spero'. I'm not exactly sure what that means, but maybe someone could figure it out for me. Wikiisawesome 11:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It's already on the page, "wia". I added it as a footnote in the Infobox Education in Canada template. If you look in that template, you can see an asterix by Qui valet sustinet, and it takes you to the bottom of the infobox, where it is stated in small text that it means "I hope in God". Yvesnimmo 19:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I've added more information to the chess club, bikers' club, student council, and yearbook sections. I also began a section about Target (ISCF). If you'd like to add to or remove this information, feel free to do so. Wikiisawesome 11:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Legacy Left
I changed Legacy Left to include some "fact" content. I feel it is an important section, as it speaks of those individuals who worked on the initial development of the school. The previous section lacked any real factual information more seemed more like an opinion and generalization, than tangible fact. In this section, these mentioned individuals actually worked of the development of the school (it has been documented). The previous section stating that the Legacy Left is one solely by the school's Student Council and students, because of their "...athletic talent, or theatrical gusto..." is more of a personal view than it is fact, as its doesn't speak of anything tangible, nor does it include any real information, but is rather a generalization. The only issue I think many have, is the use of the word Legacy, as it is often confused with being something of "greatness". This actually isn't the case. Despite the cliché use of the word over time, in this case, it refers merely to what has been done and passed on. On a side note: I can understand someone saying that these students all leave their "marks" on this school's history...that goes without saying...but we must keep feelings opinions to a minimum as this is an these articles should be fact based. Keep up the additions! they're very nice to see! Jon the dodgeboy 19:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC) Jon the dodgeboy

Neutrality of the article
After reviewing this article several times, and comparing it to several others, I feel it does an acceptable job of being "neutral", as each section displays facts along with useful information. I feel it is virtually impossible to have an article completely free of bias (most articles found have a detectible "hint" of bias), as this is this article is open to public editing. Given the nature of Wiki. (which is relatively authoritative, but has a flexible, less strict, somewhat laid back approach), this article is completely acceptable, as none of its content clouds the "point" of the article. Also, I feel it is not entirely fair to state that this acticle does not site its sources, as many of sources are "common knowledge" among the editing community. An example of this can be found in the various extra curricular activities that are said to be offered at the school. No complete list of them is published, but those with a good knowledge of the school know of their existance. These sections should be interpreted as general "good to know" info and not fact. Jon the dodgeboy 19:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC) Jon the dodgeboy

Good point, Jon! On another point, what is the cultural ambassador? I've never heard of this position before. Is it going to be a new position for the upcoming (2007-2008) school year? I'd appreciate any info you have. Wikiisawesome 11:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm going to add more about the Student Government later..., so you'll see. Yvesnimmo 17:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

More Problems
I fixed a lot of problems on the BMHS page. However, there are still some grammatical inconsistancies. Some sentances sentences Yvesnimmo 16:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC) are written in the passive voice, while others are not worded very well. If anyone would like to work on this, feel free to do so. Wikiisawesome 11:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

That was just a typo. I do know how to spell the word sentences. Really. Wikiisawesome 11:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Cultural Ambassador
I have no knowledge of what the "Cultural Ambassador" is, nor do many of the people I talk to (who are involved with the school). It might be some kind of independent student or class creation. The school always has new clubs, groups and positions (especially in student government) popping up. It's hard to say exactly what it involves, but it obviously promotes diversity... One thing I can say is that the school often accepts exchange students, and in the past, there were groups (sometimes only one person, but most of the times more) delegated to looking after their needs in school and were loosely responsible for informing others about their origins and culture (as well as teaching the exchange students about our cultures). There is a good chance this "Cultural Ambassador" has something to, as they were talking about making it an actual position with a title within the school's government for a few years. That's just my theory. Thanks.... 02:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)jon the dodgeboyJon the dodgeboy 02:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)...Good edits people...keep up the solid work.

I don't know why people are moving stuff around. Ayumu Kasuga 19:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Care to elaborate, Ayumu Kasuga?

Notable alumni
I've added an invisible notable alumni section. If any notable alumni with Wikipedia articles are known, please the wiki formatting stuff preceeding and proceeding that section (i.e. ). Thank you. --Yvesnimmo 02:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup: Looks good so far...
I like the way the page has come along, it really packs a lot of great info in. I like the cleaned up bullet form...nice to see. Jon the dodgeboy 03:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)jon the dodgeboy

Shouldn't the BMHS community forum external link be with the other external links instead of halfway throgh the article? It doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Wikiisawesome 16:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

...yeah, you're right, it should be in with the other external links...I think "whomever??" stuck it in the middle, in order to get a little more traffic, which is understandable, when they're at the bottom, it's easy to not notice them. This is just my theory...I'll leave any modifying to you (or whomever...), because it doesn't make much difference to me either way. Jon the dodgeboy 01:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

..oh, and Ayumu Kasug, I see you are an "Admin" for MacNaughton's forum...very cool. I used to be among the few that were suppose to take care of the old, "make shift" bulletin and post board B. Mac students used to use (which is no longer around), but I gave up on it almost right from the beginning...was just too big of a pain. The forum looks great, Are you getting any help from school staff?...perhaps Mr. Cormier?...because the whole site has a Cormier vibe (although he vowed to me that he would stop getting involved with it cause it was too time consuming). Very nice! Jon the dodgeboy 01:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I had help from one student setting up the forums. Everything else was my work (except the skin). I installed all the scripts, edited all the forums (after all, karate5662 only created all the forums. I had to go in and set all the settings and permissions. So yeah you could say no staff help at all. Oh, and the bmhsforums.com thing is in my name, according to enom.com (http://whois.enom.com/), just incase you're wondering. One last thing. Your name wouldn't happen to be Jon "Boo radley" would it????? Ayumu Kasuga 00:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

You said that this is a talk page concerning "BMHS" and therefore, the forums are a valid topic because the forums are a part of BMHS. I do not want any fights, thanks. Ayumu Kasuga 21:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

...no...no fights :)... Let's just say I know Boo Radley well. For that, you'll have to ask staff members...namely Mr. Cormier. He'll elaborate. Again, great work! Jon the dodgeboy 06:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

LOL, thanks Jon. I'd just like to point out his post: 'removed blacklisted link Pretty amusing, I must say. He would make a great addition to our forums, if he registers. Anyhow, thanks! Ayumu Kasuga 22:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

SSK
About the School Spirit Krew thing: should there be a "sic" tag on it? Since SSK is its proper name, I don't think there should be a sic there. Any input would be aprreciated. Wikiisawesome (talk) 15:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I put it there in case people think some person either:
 * has really bad spelling;
 * is careless; or,
 * is up to no good and wants to vandalize Wikipedia.


 * Plus, adding the  [sic]  makes it look more professional, don't you think?


 * Oh, and another thing, you should start labelling sections using ==Title goes here==, or else the talk page just looks really jumbled. Yvesnimmo (talk) 17:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Yearbook
The 2006 Yearbook was not the first one to have full colour, the 2002-2003 MHS yearbook was in full colour, I would ask to do some more research please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.252.76.243 (talk) 13:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

While I do not dispute that MHS may have released a yearbook in full colour three years before BMHS, BMHS was the first school in 2006 to release a yearbook in full colour. Sorry about the confusion! Wikiisawesome (talk) 17:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

the above statement doesn't make much sense "MHS may have released a yearbook in full colour three years before...BMHS was the first school in 2006 to release a yearbook in full colour". MacNaughton has had full color pages in their year book long before 2006. 2003's was in color (albeit not every single page). Regardless, this is all of little significance Jon the dodgeboy (talk) 05:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I understand that MacNaughton and other schools have had colour yearbooks before 2006. However, out of all the school yearbooks published in Moncton in 2006, MacNaughton's was the first published in full colour. I hope that clears things up. Wikiisawesome (talk) 19:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand why there is even a mentioning of it being the first in 2006? Why is that significant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.202.216.25 (talk) 01:46, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Clan System
I'm not sure if the Clan system is randomly assorted. It seems that at least some people are grouped in clans according to birth date (spring month birthdays are in one clan...). Do you know anything about this? Wikiisawesome (talk) 01:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Passive
Large portions of the text have been written in the passive tense (to demonstrate, the sentence I just wrote is passive). I am attempting to clean that up and will be doing so over the next few weeks.

Please feel free to contribute. Wikiisawesome (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

This article still maintains a non-encyclopedic feel. This must be changed. Wikiisawesome (talk) 03:10, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Clean up?
Thank you to whoever's been cleaning it up. I've added a source or two and I've attempted to clean up here and there. Feel free to contribute!

Ayumu Kasuga (talk) 22:44, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

References to Principal?
I've noticed that there are no references to our principal of this school. Was this for a specific or am I at liberty to edit in the information? Please let me know

Ayumu Kasuga (talk) 18:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Is your principle notable? If not I would say no - 4twenty42o (talk) 18:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not quite sure, but he IS the head guy of the school and the lesser administration are there. Ayumu Kasuga (talk) 15:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

a little history....
in 2001 (the Gr. 10 year for the most senior students), students were uprooted from BHMS to attend classes at RMS (Riverview Middle in Riverview NB), while major construction presumed at MacNaughton. Despite using RMS facilities, students were under the direction of BMHS staff, operating completely independently from RMS, which included all administrative matters as well. For shop, broad-based technology, and classes requiring access to large computer labs, students were bussed to either Bessborough or Edith Cavell, depending on the course(s) they were taking. Much like the year prior, students were broken up into 2 groups, A & B; each with it's own group of teachers. This division continued while at RMS. Although fire delayed construction, students were still able to finish the year at MacNaughton's own facilities (albeit in uncompleted facilities). Jon the dodgeboy (talk) 05:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that the text that reads

The Bernice MacNaughton School Improvement Plan was first drafted with the aid of School District 2, under the supervision of Jim Stevenson, the District Education Council (DEC), members of the school's Student Parent Advisory Committee (SPAC), including Mark Vautour, Trent Munn, Jonathan Estey, Peter Ghansiam, and Mary Laltoo (PSSC/DEC representative), under the leadership of Chairman Robin Craig, along with Ms. Susan Ross (Principal), Mr. Jack Powers (Vice Principal), and various other community leaders, all of whom collaborated on this extensive project.

ought to be revised or deleted. These names are not notable; furthermore, no references or citations are given, nor does there seem to be any way to verify that these people were involved with the school improvement plan. wia (talk) 21:08, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'm going to try to track down the article cited in that section. If nothing turns up in the way of citations, it may end up getting citation needed-ed. wia (talk) 22:16, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but what makes you feel the names are not notable? I think you're a bit off base in whipping out a rather significant fact, just because perhaps you weren't around during the school's formative years. Those individuals worked hard, and helped raise a lot of money, and even worked with gov't members so that their community's school could be what it ended up being. Major changes arouse from that improvement plan, as it was the among the overhauls of any school in the province at the time. So much so, that the city/province changed St.George, a busy and well established street, by putting intersection there to help accommodate parents etc who were fighting with early morning traffic. The school might have a copy of the final school improvement plan, but if not, the DEC does. And remember, just because it's not online, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I know where to find a copy. I applaud you on your contributions to the article though! Jon the dodgeboy (talk) 04:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia users probably aren't coming to the article for a list of people who were on the SPAC committee though. I don't think we ought to list every single person who was on the committee. Why don't we cut out those names and just say "members of the school's Student Parent Advisory Committee (SPAC), along with..."? wia (talk) 18:26, 18 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed, the people listed here are not notable see Template:Notability/doc or Notability (academics). No everyone who helps in groups and with the school will be included.  Sorry but we would have articles Thousands and Thousands of lines in length.  Please delete this information.16:57, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Will do. wia (talk) 03:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyediting status
Copyediting is coming along well. Some more work to be done but I think the article is starting to read very well. Still looking for sources on lots of information (old musicals, drama productions, extra-curricular activities and clubs), and I'm removing references to clubs that have no notable, neutral third-party sources. wia (talk) 05:05, 11 February 2015 (UTC)