Talk:Beryl (window manager)

Vandalisms
Looks like there are some vandalism (2008 release date??) on this page.. could someone check it ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.205.135.101 (talk) 16:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Window Manager?
The window-manager, formely known as cgwd, is now named emerald.''
 * ''Beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. […]

I thought the window manager was named Beryl. —Frungi 22:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That is a good question. I've wondered about Beryl being called a window manager before.--roger6106 22:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * AFAIK, Beryl is a window manager, and Emerald a theme/decoration manager. Beryl handles the movement and placement of, and interacion with, the windows. Emerald manages the design of the window decorations. With other WMs, both are one and the same. Isilanes 16:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright?
If you follow the link on the page to the | beryl-project wiki, you will see that it is already licensed under GNU FDL 1.2 as is WP.
 * Whoops, I goofed. (It was still a copyvio, though, since a copyright notice wasn't included on the talk page. But never mind.) - Sikon 18:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge
Should this article be merged with Compiz, or should the Quinnstorm stuff from Compiz be merged here? It's hard to figure out for a newcomer. — Omegatron 15:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

At the minute they are still separate projects so there should be separate articles
 * I agree. There isn't even a name yet for the new project so until then should the two articles stay separated. Cristan 14:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I concur--once they have made a new project, I think it makes sense to merge the articles under the new name. After that, the Beryl/Compiz articles can be reduced to smaller historical entries that link to the new article. ACityInOhio 16:31, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that the merging of the two projects should be mentioned in each wiki, but they are still separate projects. Until beryl and compiz itself are both unsupported, I think they should remain as separate wikis.


 * No, you don't understand, Beryl only merged with the Compiz plug-ins, which is going to be named "Compiz Fusion". Compiz should remain a separate article. Tcrow777  talk  20:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Broken links
All the links to the beryl forum seems to be broken. 83.254.92.155 02:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Is the "Roadmap" section really supposed to be in Wikipedia?
Isn't it too specific? --80.63.213.182 17:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. A summary (with respective references) of what the devs want to achieve with version 0.2.0 would be more appropriate. - Cyrus XIII 02:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It does make it look a bit like a press release or like the project's home page more like the project's bug tracking system than anything else. I'm going to tag the article as in need of cleanup. — jammycakes (t) 23:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC) 09:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Done today :) guiltyspark 23:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the tag should be removed now that the section has shortened into a much smaller one, are there any objections? 76.183.213.20 20:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Howto/tips section
People can install it bassed on distro howtos but wikipedia should have like a tips section to explain how to do certain things with it.

Eg pressing F3 makes it snow. Even something as basic as ctrl+alt+click activates the cube (took me forever to figure that one out...). I still don't know how to do the page curl effect. And not just default keys -- usage in general. Eg you can customize themes even further w/ engines.

I wouldn't be the one to write these either -- I just installed the thing today. 1veedo

But wouldn't that turn the article into a manual? Eyra 06:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it will. This is an encyclopedia article, not a user's manual. 76.183.213.20 20:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Trying out Beryl using Knoppix 5.1
Any editor who wants to easily try out Beryl (with Emerald) to see what it does can get Knoppix 5.1.1 from  or, which will run it with many 3D graphics cards (at least ATI ones) without installation. --Theosch 21:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Differences
Which one is it? Does it have no Gnome dependency or "almost" no gnome dependency?


 * Uses flat file backend instead of gconf, almost no GNOME dependency.
 * Compiz now has a flat file backend with no gnome dependency. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DamianCunniff (talk • contribs) 22:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

Project Leader
The project leader was not in fact Eamonn Bell (me). This misinformation has been mirrored and translated variously since the vandalising edit (by someone else) on blogs around the net. The content was verifiable but never was verified. How to purge answers.com, etc. of their mal-content? Can anyone help? 88.151.83.57 09:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge into Compiz Fusion
Now that we know what what Beryl will become, we should merge this article into Compiz Fusion. Tcrow777 talk  03:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree Lurker  (said · done) 16:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree Neodarksaver 04:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. They currently still are two separate projects. I suggest postponing the merge after these projects have officially been merged. Cristan 13:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Let's postpone the merge until version 1.0x of Compiz Fusion. Tcrow777  talk  20:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The 2 are seperate project, so they shouldn't get mergerd.
 * I don't believe the Beryl article should be merged with Compiz Fusion article. By this logic Compiz should be merged as well. Compiz Fusion is a completely different project. Sure provide links from both Compiz and Beryl to the Compiz Fusion article, but Compiz Fusion is it's own project. Chadders 13:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * disagree. Beryl is a part of compositing software history and the article should be kept to keep memory of that. It would be like merging the Prussia article in the Germany one since Prussia was annexed by it at some point :) Muzzle —The preceding  signed but undated.


 * I disagree as well, a merge is unnecessary. The content here doesn't fit with the Compiz Fusion article, unless you want a long "History" section there which reads like it should be a separate article. What are the reasons for merging? Orpheus 00:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Pending a decision on this i've changed all the grammar in this article to past tense, to clarify the status of the various projects. --2p0rk 10:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Similarities?
Look at the "Glass" window picture.

Now look at Windows Aero.

Notice A) Blur effect B) Shape of minimize/maximize/exit buttons

Shouldn't there be a section on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.175.17.2 (talk) 15:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you serious? It's a theme that someone made that looks like Aero. No big mystery... --76.115.153.141 (talk) 06:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Differences section vagarities
I can't tell which bullet point refers to Compiz and which refer to Beryl. For example, one of the bullet points is: "Contained three themeable decorators: Emerald, Heliodor, and Aquamarine". Is that a comment about Compiz or about Beryl? Levander (talk) 16:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Glass screenshot
Can somebody tell me exactly what stuff is being used in the ?

I think I'll be using Ubuntu soon, and being a total Linux n00b, I have no idea what exactly I need to achieve that... I think Compiz Fusion comes with Ubuntu right? Can it be used just like Beryl?

Thanks for the help! --Vittau (talk) 02:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh think I found the Beryl theme used in the screen here


 * Will it work in Compiz Fusion too?


 * Still missing the GNOME theme though... --Vittau (talk) 03:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, found the theme I guess, here. --Vittau (talk) 02:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

The Merges of Compiz
As Compiz Fusion, Compiz++ and Nomad are going to be merged back into Compiz, we should merge the articles Beryl, as it doesn't exist anymore, and Compiz Fusion into Compiz. --KDesk (talk) 22:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)