Talk:Beside You in Time

Alrighty folks
Let the rampant speculation begin. Just for reference, the setlist from the two shows filmed...

Oklahoma: 1. Pilgrimage 2. Love Is Not Enough 3. You Know What You Are? 4. Sin 5. Terrible Lie 6. The Line Begins To Blur 7. March Of The Pigs 8. Something I Can Never Have 9. Closer 10. Burn 11. Gave Up 12. Eraser 13. Right Where It Belongs 14. Beside You In Time 15. With Teeth 16. Wish 17. Only 18. Every Day Is Exactly The Same 19. Even Deeper 20. Suck 21. Hurt 22. The Hand That Feeds 23. Head Like A Hole

El Paso: 1. Pinion 2. Love Is Not Enough 3. You Know What You Are? 4. Terrible Lie 5. The Line Begins To Blur 6. March Of The Pigs 7. Something I Can Never Have 8. Closer 9. Burn 10. Gave Up 11. Eraser 12. Right Where It Belongs 13. Beside You In Time 14. With Teeth 15. Wish 16. Only 17. Every Day Is Exactly The Same 18. Even Deeper 19. The Big Come Down 20. Suck 21. Hurt 22. The Hand That Feeds 23. Head Like A Hole

...that's from the tour section of taosd. Have fun editing, maybe make a reference to the advances in technology that NIN have been forging ahead with (remember the Garageband multitracks?). Could this be the first live show ever to be filmed and released specifically with hi-def in mind? Who knows, but this is exciting nevertheless. Can someone change the NIN infobox to add Halo 22 and the title of this release? Thanks. BotleySmith 16:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

VC-1 codec updates
The horse's mouth:
 * "Currently we are using a VC-1 codec for both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray versions. However, so far we're not quite getting what we need out of VC-1. Microsoft is continually updating the codec, and is in fact making adjustments to it specifically to accommodate our project. There is a possibility right now that we could bump up the Blu-Ray disc to a dual-layer (currently we're working on single-layer) and re-encode with double the bitrate. If that ends up being the case (it's still being discussed due to production costs and manufacturing availabilities), the Blu-Ray version would be noticeably better looking than the HD-DVD version. A dual-layer HD-DVD has 30gb of space, while a dual-layer Blu-Ray has 50gb, and we'll use up all of that to get the best encode, so obviously the Blu-Ray would end up looking better if you have the eyes and equipment to notice. I will definitely let everyone know if that ends up being the case, but regardless, we will make sure both versions of the disc look great.


 * "The main problem we're having with VC1 is the same problem we've always had with any codec: Our material is simply too frantic and requires a massively high bitrate. With a high enough bitrate it's no problem. VC1 works best with average movies, which don't have nearly as much going on in terms of video information (not to mention being only 24fps and oftentimes having a wider aspect ratio that cuts down on image size). At this point the authoring people working on our DVD are directly in touch with the VC1 folks at Microsoft, who are looking at our material as a reference for their codec, so we'll most assuredly get the absolute best possible image quality out of it."

...that's from two posts by Rob Sheridan on The Spiral

BotleySmith 16:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Would Rob be annoyed with Spiral-only stuff being on Wikipedia? -Heroicraptor 22:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I pointed it out to him, and he hasn't objected so far. BotleySmith 04:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Then I'd say, put it in, wherever it should go. -Heroicraptor 05:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

=Beside_You_in_Time_(song)  ....or _(dvd)?= The song came before the DVD, shouldn't there be a mention of this fact in the article? --Steveprutz 21:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There is no (song) article because the song itself is not notable, according to Wikipedia standards. I have added mention of the song in the intro. Pomte 04:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

HD audio codec?
I've not read the Spiral post recently about the DVD (that includes the blurb about the VC-1 codec as seen above), but on there was it confirmed that Dolby TrueHD will be used on the discs instead of DTS-HD? I've noticed a trend where HD-DVDs include TrueHD whereas Blu-Ray Discs include DTS-HD tracks, but this is probably due to just different studio preference. Hell, most discs still only carry DTS at most. 03:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not been confirmed, but Rob also said elsewhere that they didn't have enough disc space left to carry an extra audio track beyond the ones already announced (on HD DVD, at least). BotleySmith 14:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The reason Blu-ray discs sometimes carry a DTS-HD track instead of Dolby TrueHD is that Dolby TrueHD is an optionally supported audio format in BD, but a mandatory supported format in HD-DVD. It is true that we were right up to limits in capacity for a single layer BD disc (25GB) for this title. In fact, we originally had two Dolby Digital 5.1 encodes on the BD version, one standalone and one embedded in the Dolby TrueHD stream. As authoring progressed, we found that we didn't quite have enough room for the redundant standalone stream, so we eliminated it. Jimby 99 19:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

= Leaks? = A quick search on any P2P torrent site shows that there are copies of this DVD floating around on the internet already, evidently it was released in Australia before anywhere else and promptly put online. Should we make mention of this? Kratos Aurion 11:53, 25 February 2007


 * Those are not leaks though, and this is something international releases are bound to experience. The earliest (Australian) release date could be mentioned in the infobox. Pomte 01:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)