Talk:Bessel van der Kolk

Here's a small reference
He is discussed in a couple of paragraphs in this reference.

—Geekdiva (talk) 05:12, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Journal sources
These journal sources (attached to summaries of their topics) were removed because they are inappropriate primary sources but may be of use to a future editor (but do not re-add them en masse :
 * Basic mental and biological parameters of PTSD. (added on 10:36, 14 March 2019‎ by User:Lopifalko)
 * Psychopharmacology
 * Memory
 * Pervasive role of trauma in psychiatric disorders
 * Complex PTSD, Disorders of Extreme Stress, and Developmental Trauma
 * Innovative treatments.


 * Well, basically I'd agree these had to go. I've found a reliable secondary source for the modern yoga work, namely a systematic review by a third party; similar high-quality WP:MEDRS need to be found for the other claims made. A CV, however, is all that is needed to establish the basic details of education and so forth. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing them out in the first place. -Lopifalko (talk) 11:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

"BPD"
"BPD" should be spelled out and wiki-linked. That abbreviation is used both for Bipolar disorder as well as Borderline personality disorder. --2003:EF:13C6:DC71:E963:A3B:5AB3:126B (talk) 01:34, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Lack of independent sources: BLP controversy
User:Assistantbvdk and 73.101.61.184 - I don't see any independent sources for some content: I am concerned about both BLP and neutrality, including the lack of discussion here while reverts are being done then contested. I have no knowledge on this one way or the other - they've both accused the other but what was the outcome? Amousey (they/them pronouns) (talk) 01:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Bessel's response in the Globe is written entirely by him and not independent, so can support his view only
 * Bessel makes allegations about the JRI - have they responded?
 * Is there a source for the dismissal that Bessel claims started this?
 * Is there a source for the legal settlement? Did the JRI confirm a payment was made? If so, when?
 * Can any amount or its significance be worded in a neutral way if there is no confirmation? At the moment it reads like Bessel was paid a very large amount of money - which in a way implies serious wrong doing by JRI
 * Is there independent confirmation of the number of staff who quit to follow him? Was it really "everyone" at a certain level?
 * Controversy exists, but not the one you appear to think. See . Guy (help!) 05:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There's no mention of either recovered memory views or research on the page. Noll is wrong in his interpretation of what van der Kolk means about the body - and he fact didn't cite anyone for his interpretation - van der Kolk means that a narrative memory (something that can be put into words) isn't there and that the way to get rid of somatization, conversion disorder or other weird physical symptoms doesn't involve talk but involvements movement. Hence van der Kolk's suggestions of things like yoga and non-talking therapies. It's exactly the opposite of the recovered memory idea because there's no suggestion or voicing and no interpretation of whatever people think they are sensing in the body. Van der Kolk's background is long term VA work, then moving into non-talk therapies. I checked both the book chapter and the article on Janet's views: there's nothing there.
 * And yes, it is controversial when van der Kolk says things about others that can't be confirmed. Editors shouldn't be repeating his CV either but I think that's not going to happen again. Amousey (they/them pronouns) (talk) 22:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Frequently cited works by van der Kolk
His books are cited more than anything else. No RCTs in pubmed but he's definitely done a few drug trials before.


 * PubMed reviews by him

(already on page, historical summary) BA Van der Kolk, JC Perry, JL Herman - American journal of Psychiatry, 1991 mostly about self harm/cutting, risky behaviors, and suicidality never became a diagnosis, he will have many more papers on this
 * Pierre Janet and the breakdown of adaptation in psychological traum, 1989
 * The compulsion to repeat the trauma: Re-enactment, revictimization, and masochism, 1989
 * Childhood origins of self-destructive behavior
 * A symptom provocation study of posttraumatic stress disorder using positron emission tomography and script-driven imagery, 1997
 * Developmental trauma disorder: toward a rational diagnosis for children with complex trauma histories. 2017

His view point on trauma therapy
Article here sums of van der Kolk's views - he says facing the treat and talking it over often doesn't help veterans, and those main kinds of therapies (exposure therapy / CBT and similar) aren't good enough and often re-traumatize. Avoiding reminders of trauma is a PTSD symptom so facing them is usually not what most people would choose if they had a choice (he claims they often don't). He sees a mind/body link, and thinks that do things using the body helps the mind. He's not anti-medication (he's done some drug trials in the past) but he has a point about its effectiveness - hardly anything is licensed for PTSD. And one of them got licensed for PTSD is the controversial paroxetine anti-depressant with the dodgy drug trial data. It's not totally clear to me but I think his idea is to use movement based / body based (non-contact) treatment for a whole load of different psych disorders where trauma is common - borderline personality disorder is another one. I am not sure where the science is at the moment on his treatment ideas. Blinded trials are obviously impossible for movement based treatments. Amousey (they/them pronouns) (talk) 00:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Clarification on the family name question?
I wish the article included some kind of link to clarification of how to deal with the family name in cases like this. (I record book-related data in a database where the last name field is easily confused. It's case sensitive and there are spaces, too...) Shanen (talk) 00:36, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Last names starting with "van" are pretty common in the Netherlands, names starting with "von" less common in German-speaking countries. There were similar things in other languages, "le" in French and "di" in Italian, and I think some of them are still written in that form. Are you really asking that every Wikipedia article about someone with such a name needs to explain how your software should handle it? You just need to set an in-house rule, such as "put the van stuff at the end" or "capitalize it". It is not a problem Wikipedia can solve. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:02, 12 June 2022 (UTC)