Talk:Best Thing I Never Had/Archive 1

Sources for further expansion
Remove or strike each once they have been "used up"


 * http://idolator.com/5883682/beyonce-next-single-best-i-never-had
 * http://www.rap-up.com/2011/06/01/new-music-beyonce-best-thing-i-never-had/
 * http://www.billboard.com/#/news/beyonce-to-release-new-single-on-wednesday-1005208462.story
 * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1664832/beyonce-best-thing-i-never-had.jhtml
 * http://www.billboard.com/news/beyonce-s-best-thing-i-never-had-single-1005209572.story
 * http://www.961kiss.com/pages/morningfreakshow.html?an=New-Beyonce-Song-Best-Thing-I-Never-Had
 * http://shymagazine.com/shy/index.php/2011/06/beyonce-best-thing-i-never-had-first-listen.html
 * http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/06/beyonc_still_irreplaceable.html
 * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1664883/beyonce-premieres-best-thing-i-never-had.jhtml
 * http://www.nme.com/news/beyonce/57012
 * http://www.prefixmag.com/media/beyonce/best-thing-i-never-had/52825/
 * http://music-mix.ew.com/2011/06/01/beyonce-best-i-never-had-single/
 * http://www.dose.ca/Listen+Beyonce+Debuts+Best+Thing+Never/4874878/story.html
 * http://www.complex.com/music/2011/06/listen-beyonce-best-thing-i-never-had
 * http://www.mfr.co.uk/music/s157_beyonce-best-thing-i-never-had/
 * http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2011/06/01/2011-06-01_beyonce_releases_second_single_from_her_upcoming_album_best_thing_i_never_had.html
 * http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/06/02/beyonce-best-thing-i-never-had-video/
 * http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/amplifier/89200/sasha-meh-beyonce-debuts-dull-ballad-best-thing-i-never-had/

Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:29, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Writers
Beyonce is noted last in the list of writers. Does this mean that she had the least to do with writing the song? I have noticed this on other songs too and wasn't sure as to whether it meant anything? Respond on my talk page if you know why, thanks. Muthamonster (talk) 08:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I do not know why as well. And let me tell you that when you post messages on talk-page of articles, you better come to the talk-page yourself to see whether someone has replied or not. Jivesh    &bull;  Talk2Me  08:19, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * According to some people, the first one to be credited is the one who had the most writings and contributions to that work. For instance, Lady Gaga's "Telephone" is written by Gaga herself, with little help from LaShawn Daniels, Lazonate Franklin and Rodney Jerkins. We all know that the song was intended for Britney Spears, but her label refused. So Gaga re-claimed ownership to the song, and started persuading Spears to contribute for her The Fame Monster release, but then eventually, Beyoncé was chosen. They had to change a few lines to fit Knowles, and then, because Knowles had the least contribution to that song, she was listed last on the song's writing credits. FinnsDeal (talk) 03:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Music video
Anyone knows what happened to the video premiere promised by Piers Morgan? FinnsDeal (talk) 14:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The show has not aired yet. Jivesh    &bull;  Talk2Me  14:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * They were suppose to show it on the day they interviewed Beyonce but it never happened. Ozurbanmusic (talk) 00:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Bad decision. It could have helped the sales of 4 and the single itself. FinnsDeal (talk) 03:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, i am a bit sad but it seems BTINH is catching up thanks to airplay. Jivesh    &bull;  Talk2Me  05:24, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, that'll do. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:51, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Korea
This is worth adding.

First week sales 85, 000 Second week 175, 000.

Source.

Jivesh   &bull;  Talk2Me  11:31, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Review
4 out of 5.

Jivesh   &bull;  Talk2Me  13:31, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Bill Lamb is of marginal reliability, so I advise against adding info from his works. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Video reception

 * http://idolator.com/5930282/beyonce-best-thing-i-never-had-video
 * http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2012471/Beyonce-goes-sexy-bride-lingerie-Big-Fat-Gypsy-Wedding-new-music-video.html
 * http://www.defamer.com.au/2011/07/beyonce-strips-down-for-best-thing-i-never-had-music-video/
 * http://www.theboombox.com/2011/07/07/beyonce-best-thing-i-never-had-video/
 * http://music-mix.ew.com/2011/07/07/beyonce-best-thing-i-never-had-music-video/
 * http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2011/07/08/2011-07-08_beyonce_struts_around_in_lacy_lingerie_in_best_thing_i_never_had_music_video.html
 * http://www.rollingstone.com/videos/new-and-hot/beyonce-the-best-thing-i-never-had-20110708

Music Video - Synopsis
Styling

Wedding dress: Baracci Beverly Hills Reception dress: Vera Wang - http://www.verawang.com/veraunveiled/2011/07/beyonce-goes-bridal/ Prom dress: Nikolaki

http://www.music-news.com/shownews.asp?H=Beyonce-Best-Thing-I-Never-Had-video-world-premiere&nItemID=42492 http://www.justcurious.co.za/2011/07/beyonces-best-thing-i-never-had-vid-info/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.195.60 (talk) 01:19, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

http://www.pr-inside.com/entertainment-blog/2011/07/21/beyonce-found-video-wedding-dress-in/

Jivesh   &bull;  Talk2Me  09:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/entertainment/celebrity/Beyonce-found-video-wedding-dress-in-store-window_50514170

Jivesh   &bull;  Talk2Me  15:39, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

?
Do you really need this part in the article: '''She’s super cordial. She’s still a Southern girl. And my favorite thing though, easily, was how much she turned into a fan when Babyface came into the room. She became a fan. She was the one sitting down excited to hear the stories and what Kenny was talking about. It’s always cool when you get to see people that you look at in that spotlight and you see them actually become the fan. That was great.'''? 77.29.83.177 (talk) 19:54, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it is not needed. Removed. —  Andrew s talk  04:03, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

For future use
Maybe this could be used for something - http://mashable.com/2011/09/04/beyonce-birthday-youtube-cover/#mUlaZqlKVzA. 77.29.82.213 (talk) 16:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks i will add it before i nominate for GA. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 10:55, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Alternate video
Beyoncé FACEBOOK: "A few months ago, you sent in photos and videos from your weddings and proms to be in an alternate video for "Best Thing I Never Had." Now see all of your submissions come to life in the premiere of the "Best Thing I Never Had" alternate fan video exclusively on CELEBUZZ!" - October 12

In the original video, Beyonce celebrates her big (wedding) day by taking a journey through a number of photos of home videos, and was inspired to have her fans join in on the fun

http://www.celebuzz.com/2011-10-11/beyonce-releases-best-thing-i-never-had-alternate-fan-video-exclusive/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.195.60 (talk) 23:15, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh my goodness. Thanks for this. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:52, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

welcome! but i think you should describe the video, not just say the date of the premier. "journey through a number of photos of home videos, and was inspired to have her fans join in" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.195.60 (talk) 14:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, Wikipedia does not consider that source as reliable. It cannot be used for description but it can be there to source the date since as far as now, it is the ONLY source available. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:10, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Covers
The Horrors Cover Beyoncé We’re not sure where it stands in the hierarchy of great indie rock covers of Beyoncé songs, but you know, it’s pretty good! The Horrors deconstruct Beyoncé’s magnificent “Best Thing I Never Had” into a brooding, soaring guitar freakout during a recent live session with BBC Radio 1.


 * http://www.stereogum.com/841461/the-horrors-cover-beyonce/mp3s/

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.195.60 (talk) 22:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Now i can start a section for this. There are other covers which i kept. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:44, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2044215/X-Factor-2011-judges-houses-Tulisa-Contostavlos-scraps-Chasing-Keys-saves-Charlie-Healy.html

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 04:47, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * http://www.sssend.com/posts/prefixmag-news-2011-oct-13-the-horrors-quot-best-thing-i-never-had-quot-beyonce-cover-live-on-bbc

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 05:24, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * http://uk.omg.yahoo.com/news/x-factors-kelly-rowland-keen-craig-coltons-song-160644895.html

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:19, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Silencio faz bem (talk) 16:25, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.nme.com/reviews/the-horrors/12396

Suggestion
Can I suggest that the Alternate video sub-section be moved the the Background and development sub-section, at the end. It looks weak as a sub-section. Calvin  &bull; Talk That Talk 18:44, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And that the Live performances section be re-named Live performances and covers and merge the two together, as the Covers section is also quite small. Calvin  &bull; Talk That Talk  18:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, this will only confuse people. Our aim here is to facilitate the reading of the viewers, not to group/merge subsections so that they do not look "weak". ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:49, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I see your point with the Covers section, but I really don't see the point of having a 2 sentence sub-section for the Alternate video. That would work perfecrly fine at the end of the Background and development sub-section. Calvin  &bull; Talk That Talk  18:54, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Babyface on working with Knowles

 * 

Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 06:58, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Worth mentioning
Is it worth mentioning that when the song debuted at number 3, Knowles' six other songs ("Run The World (Girls)" - #23, "Irreplaceable" - #33, "Halo" - #60, "Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It)" - 72 and "End of Time" - #62) re-entered the chart? (Source: http://www.billboard.com/news/beyonce-s-4-debuts-atop-u-k-album-chart-1005263022.story#/news/beyonce-s-4-debuts-atop-u-k-album-chart-1005263022.story) My love is love (talk) 17:17, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I would say Neutral. We need someone else's opinion here. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Reviews to be added

 * http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/albumreviews/a326256/beyonce-4.html ✅
 * http://music.ign.com/articles/117/1179556p1.html (I don't know is this one reliable for GAs and FAs) ✅

My love is love (talk) 19:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * IGN can be used. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 03:56, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Beyonce's website
I thin this article needs the info about when the song was chosen on Beyonce's website along with her quote. (Beginning on June 16 to June 27, 2011, the songs from 4 were available to listen to in full each day on Knowles' official website, paired with its accompanying photo spread from the album packaging and an insightful quote...) My love is love (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 20:07, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

An old cover

 * http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2044215/X-Factor-2011-judges-houses-Tulisa-Contostavlos-scraps-Chasing-Keys-saves-Charlie-Healy.html

Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Spare

 * http://www.essence.com/2011/10/13/must-see-beyonces-best-thing-i-never-had-fan-video/ ✅

Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:13, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

More (Spares)

 * To show its radio appeal. ✅
 * Again for radio appeal ✅
 * The honesty and emotion in the lyrics and Knowles' vocals respectively
 * Emotion and vocals again
 * girl-done-wrong lyrics
 * skilled chameleon
 * skilled chameleon
 * 
 * Vanessa Carlton
 * 
 * 

Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 13:40, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Re-entries
UK and Ireland. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:27, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Comments from Aircorn
In response to a request on my talk page I have read through this article with an eye on FA status. I am more comfortable at GA level, but have made some changes and thought I would leave some comments here. I found this article very thorough, and is in part this thoroughness that causes some of the problems. For example the reception section contains a lot of psuedo quotes along the lines of "rolling stone said this", "EMi worte that" and "according to such and such". That is usually fine for GA, but FA demands a higher standard. An easy way to fix this would be to reduce the number of reviews listed. We can exhibit editorial judgement on what to include or exclude and there is little value of quoting reviews that say similar things. Someone more familiar with the genre would be better able to help, but only reviewers with the best reputation should be quoted, unless prehaps if one differs from the standard tagline. Another solution could be to summarise reviews better. If a group are saying something similar and it is not deemed overly controversial, just say summarise it as "reviewers, including ......., compared the article to ........ and praised ......." No quoting necessary. AIR corn (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

A few other comments
 * "the female protagonist" - sounds a bit dramatic - why not use Knowles?
 * "Sucks to be you right now" - Should that be capitilised? It stands out in the lead.
 * "Smith, Babyface, and Dixon also wrote six additional records and recorded another five." This doesn't appear to relevant to the article
 * Artwork and release - This section loses focus and is more about the album than the song
 * What does kissoff-themed song mean and I would mention that those other songs are hers?
 * Overciting could be an issue (some sentences have three and four inline references). Probably a minor issue
 * "Kyle Anderson of Entertainment Weekly wrote that elements" - what elements, needs more explanation
 * "James Dinh of MTV News wrote that the song sounds like one from a Broadway musical, attributing the comparison to Knowles' collaboration with the band from Fela! to gain inspiration from the play's subject, Nigerian musician and composer, Fela Kuti." I am not sure what this sent4ence is asaying and don't know how to fix it.
 * "Knowles no longer desires her lover after discovering his deceit" - what deceit? Are all the lines necessary, why not just choose the best few

Reception - ASCAP Rhythm & Soul Music Awards 2012
"BEST THING I NEVER HAD" by Beyoncé - Award-Winning R&B/HIP-HOP SONG

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/quincy-jones-pharrell-williams-ascap-rhythm-soul-awards-343905?page=2 http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=237528 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.164.200 (talk) 11:42, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. ✅ My love is love (talk) 13:17, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

More

 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/07/beyonce-best-thing-i-never-had_n_892776.html ✅
 * http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/07/10/beyonce-best-thing-i-never-had-video-debut/
 * http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/pop-cult-1.811972/new-video-beyonce-s-best-thing-i-never-had-1.3012398
 * http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/news/celebrity/529335/watch-beyonce-s-best-thing-i-never-had-video.html
 * http://www.dose.ca/Beyonce+Debuts+Video+Best+Thing+Never+Next+Best+Thing+Actual+Wedding+Video/5072712/story.html
 * http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/immaculate-noise/posts/watch-beyonce-shows-her-assets-in-best-thing-i-never-had-video

AOL lists

 * Best Pop Songs of 2011 - 15 http://blog.music.aol.com/2011/12/13/best-pop-songs-of-2011/
 * Best R&B Songs of 2011 - 9 http://www.aolradioblog.com/features/best-r-and-b-songs-2011/

US SALES

 * Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 17:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

The Voice

 * 

Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 16:07, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Dress
My love is love (talk) 21:53, 24 January 2013 (UTC)