Talk:Beta Upsilon Chi

GA review
I'd probably rate this article at 'B-class', as it has most of the major sections of a good article, but does not meet all of the good article criteria.


 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
 * 1) It is stable.
 * 2) It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
 * a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
 * 1) Overall:
 * a Pass/Fail:
 * a Pass/Fail:

The main reason that the article fails GA is lack of citations, and/or lack of reliable sources. The entire history section lacks citations (with the exception of the table of founders, which is only attributed to the website). Almost half of all of the inline citations simply refer to either the entry page to the organization's website, or to the about page. It would help verify information if you could be more specific; e.g. provide a direct link to the part of the website that you're referring to. It might also help to look at WP:CITE for help on formatting citations.

There's quite a few tables for the founders and board members and such, which seems to occupy large sections of various sections, and are not accompanied with much actual text description. It might help to remove the tables and write the names of some of these lists in prose form, particularly for the shorter lists of five or fewer names. For the longer names, a separate linked page might be more appropriate; the article text could then refer to some of the more important or notable founders. For example, who was the main person, or the primary 2 or 3 people, involved in starting the organization. There's no mention of that anywhere in the article. It's hard to believe that all 28 founders contributed equally to the organization. The lead section does not adequately summarize the article. It might be helpful to review WP:LEAD.
 * done--Keylay31 23:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * done--Keylay31 23:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The photos overall look good. Who's the lady in the photo with the executive director? Is she significant to the organization? Or is she just his wife or girlfriend? If she's not significant to the organization, I'd remove her and post a photo of just the executive director alone. The 'uniqueness' section is a bit awkward. Aren't all student organizations & fraternities & sororities unique in their own way? Is this really worthy of a main section? I'd move the part on 'cell groups' to 'membership', and move the 'inspiration' part to 'history'.
 * done --Keylay31 00:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * done --Keylay31 23:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia sections are generally discouraged from articles. It's ok early in the article's development (stub & start class), but the content of such sections should be merged into other areas of the article prior to GA-class. Also, the statement, "BYX is the largest Christian social fraternity in the world," is original research if it is not cited with a reliable source. Same goes with, "BYX was the first national Christian social fraternity in Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Missouri." 'In the news' probably goes under the 'history' section as well. Probably in a subsection for 'recent news', or maybe a subsection for 'UGa controversy', since it really only covers a news story of one chapter.
 * done --Keylay31 00:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * done --Keylay31 23:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The list of chapters is redundant with the links to individual chapter websites under 'external links'. I'm sure the national website probably has a list of all of the chapters & prospective chapters of the organization, and it would be better to simply link to that list under 'external links', rather than having a whole section devoted to this.
 * done--Keylay31 23:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The link to the personal blog article should be removed from external links (personal blogs are not considered reliable sources on wikipedia, and are generally considered linkspam). The link to the AJC article is a 404 not found and should be removed.
 * done --Keylay31 00:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The 'notes' section should be changed to 'references', and moved just above the 'external links' section. Most articles on wikipedia follow this form.
 * done--Keylay31 23:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

That's the obvious ones that I can find. I hope that helps improve the article. It may help to review the WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities, as well as some of the organizational articles listed under that project, for tips on how to improve this one. WP:WIAGA also has information on what the good article criteria are.

Good luck! Dr. Cash 03:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Reformatting thanks to this review
I will be reformatting this page and looking for sources over the next couple of weeks. --Keylay31 23:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Still to be completed
NONE! Keylay31 hablame 07:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Table of Founding Fathers
I feel like this information is useful, so I have copied the table to the discussion page. --Keylay31 23:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Source: National website of BYX, at http://www.brothersunderchrist.org/

Alumni Association
This may not be necessary for the article:

In 2005, the national Board of Directors approved the creation of a national Beta Upsilon Chi Alumni Association. Prior to this organization, individual chapters had coordinated alumni activities with loose affiliation with the national fraternity. This move, designed to increase the services offered by the Fraternity while harnessing the resource of BYX's twenty years of alums, also meant that local chapters now had a pool of experience to call upon for assistance with the program of the fraternity on both the local and national level.

In addition to serving the local chapters, the alumni association was designed to enhance the benefit of BYX membership through the its extensive networking efforts. Under the auspices of the alumni association, BYX alums throughout the country have been organized into a national database that members and alums may access through the national website.

--Keylay31 04:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Upon graduation from the school with which their chapter is associated, active members in good standing become alumnus members of the Fraternity. As such, they automatically become members of the Beta Upsilon Chi Alumni Association.

The association is a division of the National Fraternity, and it is headed by the Alumni Board of Directors. The leaders of the Alumni Association are appointed by the Executive Director and confirmed by the National Board of Directors for a two year term. The current members of the Alumni Board are Rusty Fincke, Kyle Kight, Loren Hsiao, Travis Young, Jeremy Boucher, Dillon Barker, and Caleb Martin.

In addition to the Alumni Board, the National Executive Director designates an alumni coordinator to the National Headquarters staff in Texas, who serves as a liaison between the Alumni Association and the National Fraternity.

The association and its board implement the fraternity's activities and services for its alumnus members, ranging from networking in cities across the country, organizing and maintaining an alumni database, hosting fellowship and spiritual development opportunities (such as Bible studies for BYX alums and members in cities where there are BYX alums), and generally assisting the local chapters and active members in fulfilling the purpose of BYX. --Keylay31 20:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

second review
Article is a huge improvement, and much better organized. There were a couple of issues with reference formatting (references should have more information on the reference, instead of only a link). I largely fixed this for you, but two issues remain before I can assess this article as a GA.

First, the statement in the beginning, "BYX is the largest and fastest growing Christian social fraternity in the United States." needs to be cited with a reliable source. Internal (circular) references to other wikipedia articles are generally not acceptable as reliable sources, especially ones that don't have any references themselves. I also notice that lots of fraternities like to boast that they are the "largest" or "fastest growing", which is generally meaningless unless it's backed up with some hard evidence. True, looking at the list on the Christian fraternity page, with numbers of chapters of each group, we could probably deduce that BYX probably is the fastest growing, or one of them. But that goes against wikipedia's policy on original research; plus, with no citations on that page, I have no idea most of those numbers are accurate, either.

The other issue is with the AJC article. The link that was provided was to a page that was a '404 not found' (in other words, the article did not exist). This information needs some type of reference. It doesn't have to be the AJC, it can be another news source or a university press release page. If you have the article details in print, you can put those in, too; references don't have to be completely online references (in fact, it would be good if there were more print-based references in many wiki articles).

Other than that, the article looks good! I'm still not so sure you need to reduplicate that chapter listing at the end, though. It's already linked to from several of the references, but it couldn't hurt to have an explicit link to the list of chapters under external links, and remove the listing. But the list isn't too long right now; I guess this would be a bigger issue if/when your group gets to be 300+ chapters in size,... Dr. Cash 17:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Response: I have edited the first statement, changing it to the largest Christian social fraternity (as I dont want to try to prove the rate of growth). Replaced the AJC article. As for the list of chapters, for now, I dont see a problem. It provides probably some of the most valuable information in the artlce (IMHO) and does not make a reader go elsewhere for information that will most likely be wanted upon reading an article of this nature. --Keylay31 04:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good! GA passed. Dr. Cash 20:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Killed the Chapter list for ya, and yes, it was getting to me too. Key lay 31 hablame 09:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Crest
I just uploaded the Beta Upsilon Chi crest. However, I noted there was a post in 2015 about a new version, simpler, that may have been adopted. Which is most commonly used? Jax MN (talk) 14:53, 1 November 2021 (UTC)