Talk:Beth Phoenix/Archive 1

Comeback
Any news on Beth's RAW comeback??

It is likely that she will make her return tonight on RAW --Fr3nZi3 22:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't she have to be the 8th lady in this tournament? Unless they pull someone knew out of somewhere (or resign Chyna which ain't happening) Erainor 03:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Major Error
I have removed the last paragraph on Beth Phoenix's main profile about her return to RAW. This has not been confirmed by WWE.com or any other wrestling affiliated websites. The MySpace thing is not concreate evidence that this is true.86.20.53.195 20:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Error on Page
She graduated in 1998 and not 1999. i know because I graduated with her.

removed mercury from her profile
I have removed Joey Mercury from the "Wrestlers managed by Beth Phoenix" section, Phoenix has never managed Joey, they tagged together once or twice on some OVW houseshows, thats all, so i don't think that warrants her managing Joey.

Contradictory information
Chris Mordetsky: He had a ongoing relationship with Beth Phoenix, however they broke up and Phoenix married Joey Carolan. Mordetsky was pictured with a new girlfriend at the premiere of Kane's new movie, See No Evil.

This article: Despite popular internet belief, Phoenix has never dated Chris Masters, they worked together in OVW as (kayfabe) boyfriend & girlfriend.

Neither is cited. Which is it? Tromboneguy0186 03:58, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

The one in Beth's profile i s correct, they never dated in real life, it was all storyline. XRebekkahx 08:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Sister of Brent Albright ?
I read in a EWR site that she is the sister of Brent Albright. It's real or also a storyline ? (09 september 2006)

She was Albright's manager in OVW. I think it's only a storyline. They have different surnames.

In the storylines Beth was the cousin of Brent Albright. But they aren't related in real life. XRebekkahx 08:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I think she might comback to do a three way feud as a tweener between Vicotira and Mickie

Not wanted on raw?
This is about this comment in the Return to Raw section : "She seems to be getting her hopes up rather high as she doesn't seem to be wanted back on RAW anytime soon."

This is not proper tone or content for an encyclopedia and violates WP:CRYSTAL and I am deleting that sentence. Thanks Fubarbundy 11:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

2004/2005 OVW recap removed
Why was all of the 2004/2005 recap removed? It wasn't like a weekly recap, i didn't see anything wrong with it to be honest, i don't understand why someone removed it... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.194.114.231 (talk) 08:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

Joey Knight
There are two differetn "Joey Knights". There's Beth husband Joey Carolan (who is still alive) and another "Joey Knight" who died in 1997. Just wanted to claer that up since someone put that Joey Carolan had died.(MgTurtle 02:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)).

Where does she reside?
On her official web site it says she is now residing in Tampa, Florida but on her myspace it says louisville, kentucky. Which one's right or does she reside in both. Lee 26 January 2008, 16:09 (UTC)

Back on raw
shes now back on raw, and competed in a tag match with jillian hall against mickie james and candice michelle

...uh...DUH...but not important... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ro9ue (talk • contribs) 18:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Wrestling Moves
Can someone please finish off the 'Beth Valley Driver' in the 'in wrestling' section as it doesn't make sense. Lee 14:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Also didn't she use 'Down in Flames' in WWE aswell? Lee 12:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

On a related note, enough with the unclever fake names for her suplex. Unless they call it by a name on TV or their website, it's wrong. Max85 16:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Who came up with Glamabomb, seriously... (i dont like putting on signitures...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ro9ue (talk • contribs) 18:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Should the word Glamazon redirect to thsi page?
I typed in Glamazon and came up with Beth Phoenix. It is her ring name, but I'm sure others have used the moniker "Glamazon" before...should it really redirect to her? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.202.174 (talk) 10:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess that unless you can find proof that someone else has used it, it'll stay that way -- Вlaz zeee   ♦   ♣  20:18, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Citations No. 2 - http://www.bethphoenixglamazon.com/facts.html
That citation appears to be dead. It will need removing. Govvy (talk) 17:05, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Entrance Themes
Beth Phoenix used "Hey Baby" while in the independent circuit and used "Crazy In Love" while in SHIMMER not in OVW. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.170.142.252 (talk) 02:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Special Entrance
Yea know, i found out that her special entrance (where she sits on the turnbuckle and flips in) isnt so signature! Gail Kim did the same entrance on her WWE debut (the night she won her first title). I think it should be in TRIVIA or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.74.9.128 (talk) 16:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Why? Gail wasn't the first person to ever do that entrance style, there have been many people to do it. 87.194.114.231 (talk) 14:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Fisherman Suplex
Wrestling moves are not gendered. It is a fisherman suplex unless a reliable source says otherwise.Philatio (talk) 03:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 16:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Last sentence
The last sentence in the 2008-present section seems weird to me.Should it say that she was "booked" to defeat Santino Marella? I think it would sound better if it said that she defeated him with a roll-up.Anyone else have any thoughts?(MgTurtle (talk) 00:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC))
 * To keep the article out of universe, it should be written that way and so should the rest of the article, per WP:PW and WP:FAC. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Managers
Why is Trish in the managed list, Beth didn't manage her, was the other way around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.167.125.49 (talk) 03:37, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Maria breaking Phoenix's undefeated streak?
On Maria's page, it says Maria defeated Beth, breaking her undefeated streak. I believe that match took place on February '08. But Candice Michelle defeated Beth Phoenix and defended her Womens Champion on Unforgiven 2007. Clearly, that line in Maria's page must be taken down. Either that, or someone needs to shed some light on what they mean by that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.74.9.166 (talk) 17:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Birth year
Does anyone have a citation on Beth's birthday, its says 1978, but i'm 100% positive she was born in 1980. Her myspace says she's 27, which i believe would make me right :). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.114.231 (talk) 22:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Slammy pic
If anyone wants to transfer it over, I don't know how. Tony2Times (talk) 15:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't unfortunately. On the bottom right hand side of the page, under the "Additional Information" section - you see the 'All rights reserved'? It means that it can't be uploaded to wikipedia. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 13:40, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Or, you could just ask me. I changed the license. Mshake3 (talk) 01:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Mshake! Uploaded and added. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 11:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Amateur accomplishments
Is there any reason her amateur achievements haven't been listed? Scott Steiner and Brock Lesnar have theirs listed among others, or do they have to be of a certain level to be on here? Tony2Times (talk) 14:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd never even noticed that. Feel free to add, them, I mean they are accomplishments, so there's no reason not to, imo. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 15:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hopefully I've done it right, wasn't quite sure what to title it all though. Tony2Times (talk) 16:39, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. :) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 16:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Not married anymore
I don't want to edit it, since I have no proof, but I know she's not married any more, her ex-husband did put the information out there on his myspace page, I believe, but its not there any more. Her status has been changed to single on myspace, and its pretty well known around the iwc that she's dating Cody Rhodes. I'm not saying put that, but.. shouldn't its be removed that she's married? 78.105.240.23 (talk) 20:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

If she was dating Cody Rhodes why would her status be single????-L —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.233.87.40 (talk) 22:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

how about because she doesn't want people to know that she's dating anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.240.23 (talk) 17:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Then why did she put on there before she was married!!!-L —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.233.87.40 (talk) 20:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

She's not married, she was asked on twitter if she was. Apparently she's tried changing the wikipedia page herself and someone keeps on changing it back. Suspicious.

Twitter is not a reliable source.There needs to be a reliable source that states this and that's why is keeps getting reverted.(MgTurtle (talk) 00:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)).

Beth herself is not a reliable source of information on herself? I mean straight from your rules on sources: " Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:

the material is not unduly self-serving; it does not involve claims about third parties; it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject; there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; the article is not based primarily on such sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.128.221 (talk) 05:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Since Beth's Twitter is confirmed as official by the WWE staff itself, It can be assumed that it is not a fake identity, thus, and as said before, her word on her own marital status is more valid than any other source. Specially since her page at OWOW site was not updated in a while. DinobotTM2 (talk) 08:31, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

The new source needs to be put down as a citation to get evidence of this.(MgTurtle (talk) 13:43, 4 May 2010 (UTC))


 * Ok, shall be done DinobotTM2 (talk) 16:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I asked her about her marriage on twitter, she told me she's not married. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.176.220.217 (talk) 18:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

"2nd regin
Last time I check WWE counted her 2nd woman title win

last name
FYI guys her last name is spelled incorrectly on the source given. her last name is kocianski with an i "kuh CHAN ski." other sources spell it correctly. i know this cuz i know her family in elmira. (i know i can't be a source but what does wikipedia do when a source is wrong?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.226.222 (talk) 00:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you can provide another, reliable source with her name spelt with the "i", we can change it. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 09:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

RE SURNAME: It is stated that she denies having married Joey Carolan, so the name Carolan should not be used as an official name, no? Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 20:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Extreme Rules Source
I added the source for the preview page of Extreme Rules 2010 on the article. Will it still show after Extreme Rules? Dragon Slayer  619

What is the connection to Tulsa, Oklahoma?
This article is listed as a GA under the Tulsa Task Force, yet it contains no mention of Tulsa, Oklahoma. If the subject has some connection to Tulsa, I think that should appear in the article. If not, I think that the link to WP:Tulsa should be deleted.98.210.89.174 (talk) 00:38, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I have removed the link to WikiProject Oklahoma because there is no mention of either Tulsa or Oklahoma in the article.Bruin2 (talk) 17:54, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Real name
As stated on her Twitter, she is not married. If this is the case it is fair to assume that either her last name is not Carolan, or that the last name of the two individuals in the All-Knighters is not Carolan. Assuming that Joey Knight's real name is not Joey Carolan (as we have no proof to back up this claim), it would be better to assume that her last name is Carolan, and that the assumption that her name is related at all to being married is false.

Edit: There is a Myspace page (http://www.myspace.com/joeyfnknight) which was apparently created by Joey. This suggests that his last name is in fact Carolan, which means that Beth's last name cannot be Carolan, as they are not married. The problem is that the reliability of this source can be disputed.

The ideal situation, however, would be to ask Beth herself to confirm her name. Until that happens I will most likely leave the name as-is to avoid confusion.

Edit: I have now confirmed her name (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:K3a5VBhCCp8J:207.5.17.48/index.asp%3Fhtml%3Dlostalumni%26page%3D3%26filterField%3D%26sort%3D+Elizabeth+Kocianski&cd=30&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk). On the other hand, there is now no reliable proof of Joey Knight's real name. The Myspace page clearly cannot be used as a reliable source. LewisH1993 (talk) 00:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Claim that she was married
This has since been denied by Beth. For this reason and several others I believe the following statement should be edited

from:

"It was reported that she is married to Joey Carolan, known by the ring-name Joey Knight,[2][73] however, she has since denied being married.[74]"

to:

"It was rumored that she was married to Joey Knight of the All-Knighters,[2][73] however, she has since denied being married.[74]"

1) There is no proof that Joey Knight's real name is Joey Carolan. None of the sources/external links on the All-Knighters article can reliably show this.

Edit: Using his Myspace profile as a source, I have mentioned that he is "Joey Carolan, known as Joey Knight of the All Knighters." — Preceding unsigned comment added by LewisH1993 (talk • contribs) 11:41, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

2) There is no "report" of any kind that is based on this claim, only a brief mention of this "fact" from a single source whose reliability could be disputed.

3) The rumor was that she was married, not that she is married.

4) It is very unusual that the only real claim to her being married from any (arguably) notable source is "(future husband Joey Carolan)" in citation [2]. This was probably the only reason the claim was ever made in the first place and whoever made the claim likely did not realise that it would create controversy.

It would probably be better if the entire sentence was removed completely. Citation [2] clearly cannot be trusted as the website gave information which was denied by Beth herself, nor do they themselves have any proof of their claim. The website also contains several spelling and grammatical errors which do not help its claim to reliability. Citation [73] leads to a dead link. I figured I would leave this decision to somebody else. LewisH1993 (talk) 00:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

In the new Art of Wrestling, Beth said she's divorced. Who from she didn't say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.159.78.3 (talk) 18:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Real proof of her name
I have found a list of alumni from the Notre Dame High School website. I had to view the page as a cached page as it no longer exists on the website.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:K3a5VBhCCp8J:207.5.17.48/index.asp%3Fhtml%3Dlostalumni%26page%3D3%26filterField%3D%26sort%3D+Elizabeth+Kocianski&cd=30&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk

This means that Joey Knight's real last name is either not Carolan or that he coincidentally shares the same last name as Beth.

Note: I am going to remove the text and citation that suggests Joey Knight's real name is Joey Carolan as this proves it is clearly an unreliable statement.

1) Despite the high likeliness of it being so, we cannot say for sure that the Myspace page was created by Joey Knight.

2) Beth's first name is listed as Elizabeth Kocianski. Her last name is listed as Carolan. It is highly unlikely that Joey and Beth both share the same last name, nor do we have any real proof that they do.

I am also changing all instances of "Kocanski" to "Kocianski." LewisH1993 (talk) 12:05, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

beth phenix and the divas deison
for those of you who was watching raw on 8/8/2011 shes right eve and beth do make a mock of the divas dievion thats why i hope she wins the divas title.