Talk:Betsy DeVos/Archives/2018

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Sanders quote in lead
What is the point of the inclusion of the Sanders quote at the lead? It doesn’t tell anything important about DeVos and comes across as inappropriately partisan. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 23:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Yacht
We have recently had a minor edit war over whether to mention a yacht that is registered in the Cayman Islands, or omit mentioning it. For me, the answer to this question question revolves around who actually owns the yacht... if the owner is DeVos herself (personally) then I think it is relevant enough to mention... but if it is owned by someone else in her family, then I don’t think it relevant enough to include. It becomes a coatracked (guilt by association) addition. So... who actually does own the yacht? Blueboar (talk) 16:14, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The Post describes it as being owned by the family, not by a member of the family; that would make DeVos a co-owner. --Nat Gertler (talk) 17:26, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily... for example, several members of my family (my brother and some cousins) have formed a corporation to jointly own and run a farm in upstate New York (the farm has been in my family for generations). However, I am not a share holder in that family corporation.  Thus, I am not personally a co-owner of the family farm.  I don’t own any part of it, nor do I have a say in how it is managed.
 * I could see the same happening with a family that owns a fancy boat. Part of the family jointly owns the boat... so it is not incorrect to call it a “family boat”... and yet this does not mean that everyone in the family owns it.  I think we need a more detailed source (one that demonstrates that DeVos herself has a direct ownership stake in the Yacht) before we consider it relevant enough to mention it in a bio article.  We should not speculate, and assume she has an ownership stake. Blueboar (talk) 20:57, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Both the Post and Vanity Fair refer to the yacht casually as being Betsy's, before being more specific as being the family's. Reliable sources are telling us it's, to at least some degree, BD's yacht. --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:39, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Meh... I still think we need better (unambiguous) sourcing. But I won’t push. Blueboar (talk) 00:03, 17 December 2018 (UTC)