Talk:Better Out Than In

Requested move 15 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved.  Calidum   ¤   03:44, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Better Out Than In → Better Out than In – The title uses "than" as a preposition, but most (if not all) sources uppercase it. WP:COMMONNAMES is not a "common style" policy. Shall I cite MOS:CT, which does not require prepositions to be lowercased but requires them consisting of at least five letters to be uppercased? WP:NCCAPS tells us to rely on manuals if there is no consensus. I have the eighth edition of A Manual for Writers of Research Papers, Theses, and Diisertations: Chicago Style for Students & Researchers (some type of Chicago Manual of Style) saying to lowercase prepositions (unless used as adverbs or adjectives). Other manuals may say that as well. There are no clauses within the title. Maybe someone might see it as double entendre, but I don't. George Ho (talk) 20:15, 15 April 2016 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose Grammatically, "Than" should be lowercased, but I'm not sure how much that applies to a proper noun, as in the title of the work. I think if sources capitalize it (including Banksy himself), than we should too, just as WP:COMMONNAME suggests. However this is super trivial, and people are going to have no less of a hard time finding this article with the lowercased variation, nor will it change the meaning. One seems just as good as the other, except that the capitalized version is widely supported by available sources &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  06:09, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose this disturbs my sense of style. In this case we should eschew the guidelines unless there is consensus that a lower case "than" is better. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:31, 23 April 2016 (UTC).


 * Oppose – George, please treat MOS:CT with MOS:TM in mind, and choose from among styles that are actually in use. If you can't show sources that do it as you suggest, it's a non-starter.  Remember what happened with Star Trek Into Darkness?  Even though a few lowercased into, it was too few for most editors to accept as an OK variant.  This one is worse, if your opening line is true where you say "most (if not all) sources uppercase it".  Please don't bring some requests unless you can show that at least some sources would use case in the way MOS:CT suggests.  Dicklyon (talk) 15:17, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


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Potential GA reassessment
Regarding : A while back a new user added a bunch of unsourced content to complete the works of this 30-day show, much of it very brief with insignificant detail. I asked them to work on verifiability but got no response. I sort of felt bad and didn't want to outright remove it. I will try to brush this up, but is there anything else you were concerned about? I worked very hard to get this to GA and want to keep it that way :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  06:19, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it can be brought back to GA quality, but there were un-wiki things like "Indicative of people's greed there were soon men charging the people to view and take pictures of the artwork." and general lack of NPOV, as well as some dubious phrasing.  Added to the weaker sourcing you mention, I found myself wondering if certain parts of the article were vandalism - as far as I could ascertain, they are not.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:11, 23 April 2016 (UTC).

I just stumbled upon this article and added a bunch of "citation needed" tags. This article does not currently meet Good article standards, I'm afraid... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:42, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I see you are on vacation currently, but I'm curious if you plan to improve this article to meet GA standards. If not, I am going to submit a request for a community review as a step towards demotion. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:28, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes I can address these issues when I return home next week. Thanks! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  02:51, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've added some sources and removed all other unsourced content. It was all inserted by the same editor, who I reached out to directly about adding references and they never acted upon it. Many of those pieces weren't particularly notable in this series anyway, so I'm quite content putting the article closer to where it used to be, as unfortunately I don't have the time to do all the additional research to find sources. Let me know if you think anything else is below par. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:36, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

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