Talk:Betty Grable/Archive 1

Gay Icon Project
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:45, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pin-up
I would certainly like someone to explain to me just how Betty Grables' pin up picture was more popular than Rita Hayworths'. Betty is just standing there in a swim suit looking over her shoulder. Rita is kneeling, in profile, on a bed a rumpled sheets in black lace. Even in 1940's era sexuality; does a pair of legs trump a pair of boobs? Tell me. I want to know.


 * I for one have never seen or read a mention of a pin-up of Rita Hayworth. lol. Maybe you Betty's pic was in much better taste than breasts in lacy underwear. The key word is TASTE Dollvalley 15:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * DollValley, you are on Wikipedia! If you are to young to know about the pinup girls of the 40's look it up. Not trying to be a wiseguy, "I'm just sayin'..." --204.96.18.5 14:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Rita was a huge star of Harry Cohen and she was used by him to promote his studio. Rita was also in a constant war with Cohen and he used to disallow her appearences and engagements in this war. It was especially bad when Rita was married to Orson Wells. Cohen would only permit Hayworth limited exposure to capitalize on her extreme popularity. She was a HUGE star. Grable was the girl next store. In some ways it's the old "Ginger vs Mary Ann" or "Betty vs Veronica" debate. So I can see between Cohen trying limit Hayworth and soldiers wanting "the girl next door," instead of Hayworth's more blantant sexualness, how Grable would be more popular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.142.45.94 (talk) 01:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget that picture was taken when frank discussion of sex was taboo. That photo was called a "leg shot". It would have been taboo to call it a "butt shot". Today that's what it would be called. That shot for its time had that element of forbidden fruit. Though it may have been poularly discussed in euphemisms, because of the taboo, it was not documented to have been described as a butt shot. 98.164.64.33 (talk) 09:19, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Nice gams
Who took the famous pin-up photograph of Betty Grable? -Ashley Pomeroy 21:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Never mind, I've answered my own question. -Ashley Pomeroy 21:43, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Marriage to Harry James
The personal life section states that the marriage was 'plagued by alcoholism and infidelity'. Who was the alcoholic and who did the adultery - or were they both guilty of both those things? F W Nietzsche (talk) 04:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Why ESL speakers make bad Wiki editors
OK, here is the last paragraph: "...Though they did not marry, their romance lasted until the end of Grable's life Betty Grable managed to out box office the likes of Judy Garland, Rita Hayworth, Bette Davis and Joan Crawford all who were considered non box office Grable reigned supreme 10 years on the box office top ten list," —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.12.252.113 (talk) 05:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Box office section
This box office section is completely screwed up. Most of this is incorrect, and I don't know where the person got their information. The correct Box Office positions for Betty Grable are: 1942-#8; 1943-#1; 1944-#4; 1945-#4; 1946-#9; 1947-#2; 1948-#2; 1949-#7; 1950-#4; 1951-#3. Enosfam q8:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * It's wrong. It also contradicts the information contained in the article text, which (for example) has Betty as the #1 box office star for 1943.  Who knows where this came from.  The only site I'm aware of that any legitimacy is Quigley's Almanac.  I'll remove this section - it also concerns me that wherever the table came from, it's possible that it's copyrighted and while it's ok to quote from a table of data, it's not right to reproduce it completely.  It may be original research.  I'll provide a source for the box office data mentioned in the article.  Rossrs (talk) 06:26, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Comment
This article seems to be based entirely on fan magazines and written by someone whose first language is Bulgarian. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 10:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFIXIT. Shearonink (talk) 13:12, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I claim no expertise on the subject matter. "One does not need to be a carpenter to know an ill-made table." (Dr Johnson) Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 01:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No expertise in Bulgarian?Shearonink (talk) 02:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Legs and insurance
A citation is needed for the facts of the insurance, not simply the media PR stories. $1,000,000 for damage to legs, is usually part of a policy that covers other values for arms, fingers, toes, eyes etc. In other words it is a general insurance policy, not simply a Leg only Policy. It is easy to find a generic "Her legs were insured for a million dollars" citation, but the one required is one describing the policy with accuracy. Wthoyt this it is just a folk tale, pufffery, and whimsy. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

From the Lloyd's of London website: "and 1940s actress, dancer and pin-up girl Betty Grable insured her stupendous pins for $1,000,000 (hence the phrase ‘million-dollar legs’)." -https://www.lloyds.com/lloyds/about-us/history/innovation-and-unusual-risks/going-out-on-a-limb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.75.106.155 (talk) 20:15, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Extending Grable's bio
I have extended Grable's biography. I have completely rewritten the sections surrounding her film career, providing more information. I have created three new sections: "Early career", "Stardom at Fox", and "Decline and last films". I believe Betty Grable deserved a fuller biography and thus I have written it. I hope it is appreciated and is left as is. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.233.13 (talk) 01:37, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There's a problem. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is a collection of information referenced from reliable sources.  So far as I can tell, the content that was added in this recent extension has no references and therefore really shouldn't be left as is.  As a matter of fact the entire article needs additional references so I have placed a template saying so - Wikipedia readers need to be able to verify information presented in Wikipedia articles - otherwise people could assert all sorts of things and how would we know what was factually verifiable or not?  Shearonink (talk) 07:33, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Additional Radio Appearance
On April 11, 1939, Betty Grable and then husband Jackie Coogan appeared on The Pepsodent Show starring Bob Hope. Bob interviewed the couple, which was largely the two of them arguing (not sure if they were acting or if some of the arguing was real, which then ended with Hope and Grable singing a song. I don't know the name of the song.  Prior to Grable and Coogan's appearance, there was some humorous discussion among Hope, announcer Bill Goodwin, bandleader Skinnay Ennis, and comic actress Patsy Kelly about going to Mexico to see a bullfight.  The vocal group for this episode was Six Hits and a Miss.  The reason I'm listing this information is that I have no idea how to add this to the chart on this page - I'm not sure where the various characters need to be placed or how much information needs to be entered.  Jtyroler (talk) 22:01, 31 January 2017 (UTC)