Talk:Beverly Grove, Los Angeles

Where is it?
According to Mapping L.A., Beverly Grove is within Central Los Angeles. If anybody has a WP:Reliable source placing it elsewhere, please use it. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 12:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

History
Does anyone have a neighborhood history section they could add? It would be interesting to know how this area developed over time. --Daniel E Romero (talk) 08:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Neighborhood info
Is there a neighborhood association or neighborhood council for this area? --Daniel E Romero (talk) 08:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

First use
I doubted that "Beverly Grove" was first used as the name of a neighborhood as late as 2006, but I did some checking and that appears to be the case. Here's the first use (in 2006) in the L.A. Times. https://www.newspapers.com/image/192626887/?terms=Beverly%2BGrove. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:32, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The citation above needs a subscription to view. Searching the LA Times itself, the earliest reference to this neighborhood name I could find was in December 2007 .  It was a story about mansionization.Phatblackmama (talk) 18:49, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Located a subscription-free version of the article being referenced: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-aug-27-re-mansion27-story.html. It was published in September 2006, seven months after the name was used in city docs (February 2006). Phatblackmama (talk) 18:59, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Recent Changes
Not understanding the wholesale revision done by Precision123.

(1) BeenAroundAwhile questioned the phrase "First use" regarding the term Beverly Grove. I clearly understand the meaning of "hearby", which is why I added a quote from a city document and restored the phrase "first use". But if this stumbles him, I assume others will question it also and do not have a problem expanding that section to make it clearer.

(2) removal of History section? The City created a A Residential Floor Area Supplemental Use District (RFA) for Beverly Grove. (The boundaries were specified since it applies to the city definition of Beverly Grove, not the LA Mapping boundaries.) Why was that removed? It was properly cited, along with a statement from the Los Angeles Conservancy.

(3) BeenAroundAwhile had deleted a statement that Beverly Grove was part of Beverly-Fairfax saying he saw no supporting documentation. You restored it without a citation.

(4) The current link to the Wilshire Community Plan does not take you there. I had fixed it and was it noted in the revision history. Why did you revert?

I have restored the previous version. If you could please make individual changes and note why you made the change, it would be appreciated. Phatblackmama (talk) 18:05, 3 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for coming to talk. I would be happy to describe the edits in more detail.
 * There was nothing confusing about original document or source. That was the first to use it. No quotation is necessary. The quotation itself is not important. The importance comes from origin of the name—not about residential floor area ratio. Adding that—which comes from yet another, and later-produced, city document—brings nothing but convolution. Also added under "City of Los Angeles" were adjacent neighborhoods, but no city (or other) source stated this.
 * The history section is okay; however, since the history is not specific to this area, it can just be noted that it shares its history with the larger neighborhood.
 * There is plenty of documentation showing this, and even more can be added. The cited documents already show this.
 * , pp. 27, 28, 31, 32 (showing the subject area, in the Beverly Grove RFA District, is part of Beverly-Fairfax)
 * , p. 20 ("The Beverly Wilshire Homes Association (BWHA) has represented homeowners and renters in Los Angeles's Fairfax neighborhood for over 50 years. This area includes Beverly Grove, where the BWHA has been a strong and consistent supporter of municipal ordinances to stop a rampant mansionization process that began in 2004.")
 * Can be added: Commissioned by the City of Los Angeles, SurveyLA, which cites L.A. Times definitions in its reports at times but generally uses other commonly accepted boundaries, states under its "Beverly-Fairfax" section that the neighborhood includes what is referred to as Beverly Grove. It adds in another section: "As in the Hancock Park neighborhood, much of the land that is now part of the Fairfax and Beverly Grove neighborhoods (most commonly referred to as Beverly-Fairfax) was originally part of the massive Rancho La Brea."
 * Thank you for fixing the link. I must have been unintentional, so thanks again for pointing it out.
 * Given the talk and our points above, I will leave many of the changes but will re-add the part in the lede and edit the City of Los Angeles section in accordance with the sources used. Thank you. --Precision123 (talk) 21:50, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Ordinance 182754
I believe we should retain the following text so we can't be accused of misinterpreting it in any way:

"In 2008, the city adopted ordinance 182754 which amended Section 12.04 of the Los Angeles Municipal Code by amending the zoning map because 'the area unofficially known as Beverly Grove (located in the Wilshire Community Plan and generally bounded by Colgate Avenue on the north, Fairfax Avenue on the east, Lindenhurst Avenue on the south, and San Vicente Boulevard on the west) continues to experience out-of-scale development with a noticeable increase in demolitions and the construction of new single-family dwellings. A Residential Floor Area Supplemental Use District (RFA) was created to 'in order to ensure that new development matches the scale and character of existing buildings in the surrounding area'."

Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:05, 26 February 2020 (UTC)