Talk:Bharatpur State

Wrong Ruler Depicted As Maharaja of Bharatpur
The ruler in the last picture is Nawab Bahawal Khan Abbassi of Bahawalpur State. It is not the Maharaja of Bharatpur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.47.219.179 (talk) 23:59, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Corrected. Thank you for pointing out the error. Xufanc (talk) 09:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia of bharatpur state is incorrect Yash Choudhary Sonuu (talk) 10:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

False history of lineage depicted purposely, which has no factual basis.
The factual history is that the Jat state was established by churaman Jat and before that the landowners of that region, not the descendants of some rajput king. Infact jats only started inhabiting the area in the 16th century. Meethamonkey (talk) 10:09, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , you are partially correct that the legends were shown as facts and the details were either cherry-picked from reliable sources or unreliably-sourced from the Raj-era sources. As mentioned in this book, it is a reprint of a Raj-era book which was published around one century ago in 1922. Its details are available here. And we don't use such Raj-era sources – see here and here. So I will remove this source.


 * Similarly, this book is a non-scholarly work. As mentioned here, the author "works in the oil and gas sector of the British government identifying and mitigating risks. He is a former British Army member." His book may be fine for basic facts like Princely States' decorations, medals, etc. But it a poor source for historical legends & claims.


 * As far as Dr. Ram Pande is concerned, he was one of the few historians who specialise in Bharatpur Jats. As mentioned in his book, it is "substantially a thesis approved for the Degree of Ph. D., by the University of Rajasthan" – see here for its overall details. It is not only his area of expertise but also describes the origin most thoroughly. The book has two full pages about the origin of Bharatpur royal dynasty (see my edit summary). And it covers both facts and legends, along with properly examining them. So I will summarise them in the article. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:21, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

@nitinMlk- 👍👍 go ahead. But I would suggest that the portion regarding lineage should be undermined for the following reasons - 1. The paragraph edited out by me, started of by saying - " a legend current in Bharatpur till late " suggests that the legend is now no longer in prevalence.

2. Also the claim that the sons of Balchand were not admitted as Rajputs seems to hold untrue, as the word Rajput was not in usage during that time period and instead its root word "Rajputra" was used. Also the word Rajput came to signify a social class and a community only after the 15th century.

However I have seen the edits that you have made, and eventhough I believe this story has various problems , I think you have made the relevant additions to suggest that this story has problems. Anyways thanks for sorting this out. Meethamonkey (talk) 00:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Copyvio
It seems this edit copy-pasted at least some content from here, but I don't have much time today to check this carefully. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

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Origin of Bharatpur Jats
The rulers of Bharatpul" claim to have been originally Jadaun Rajputs, the descendants of Krishna. Sue, a Jadaun Rajput, the 78th in descent from Krishna, is said to have migrated from Bayana to the Deeg jungles and founded the village of Sinsini, named after Sinsina, the genus loci or tutelar deity. Balachand, the fourth in descent from him, was a noted freebooter, and in one of his marauding expeditions made prisoners of a Jat of the Dagar clan and his wife from Hindaun (now in Jaipur) and brought them to his house in Sinsini. Having no children by his own wife, he took the Jat woman into his harem and two sons by her, Bije and Sije. These were regarded as Jats and expelled from the Rajput brotherhood. Having no 'got' of their own they took the name of Sinsinwar, from their pa.ernal village, and from them are descended the Sinsinwar Jats.

Source : https://censusindia.gov.in/nada/index.php/catalog/28801/study-description

Kindly add this under the title of 'Origin of Bharatpur Jats'. Wiki Samant (talk) 08:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)