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Neutrality?
Has anyone else noticed that the neutrality of this article's tone is questionable? I would describe the style of writing as "government tourist brochure," rather than "encyclopedia." Soft-pedaling the unpleasant, while overloading the reader with minor details.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Suggestion for the "Criticism" section
I believe the section should summarize Bhumibol's support for dictatorship and his wealth, or some other criticism about himself. Current text mainly discuss about lese majeste, which should be in corresponding article. --Horus (talk) 20:15, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

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Mom is a title, doesn't mean mother
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 * Pinging Gus7896, who originally made the erroneous change. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:34, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2020
"Japan in 1989 until his own death in 2016,[5], and"

This is a passage from the introduction. Please remove the comma that comes after the citation. 2601:5C6:8081:35C0:CC6F:B999:A524:1EDE (talk) 00:55, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2020
Please remove the section 2003 War on Drugs, as there is no established prove about the relation between what the king states on the night of his birthday and the ex-prime minister Thaksin anti-drug campaign. The sentence that attempts to prove that such relationship exist -- "Privy Councillor General Phichit Kunlawanit called on the Thaksin Shinawatra government to use its majority in parliament to establish a special court to deal with drug dealers, stating that "if we execute 60,000 the land will rise and our descendants will escape bad karma" -- also has no trustworthy source. When the link to the source is clicked, the paper can no longer be found. Txp158 (talk) 13:01, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Bhumibol, in a 2003 birthday speech, warned Thaksin and criticized those who counted only dead drug dealers while ignoring deaths caused by drugs.[67]

"Victory in the War on Drugs is good. They may blame the crackdown for more than 2,500 deaths, but this is a small price to pay. If the prime minister failed to curb [the drug trade], over the years the number of deaths would easily surpass this toll."[68]

These two statements also partially capture what the late king stated about the ex-prime minister's war on drug. To be precise, they can only be seen as sarcasm, thus should not be placed here.

แล้วที่บอก ๒,๕๐๐ คน นี่ก็ไม่เชื่อ มีมากกว่า ที่เขาตายแต่เราไม่รู้ แล้วก็พวกที่ทางเจ้าหน้าที่ได้สังหาร ไม่ใช่ ๒,๕๐๐ นี่เขาสังหารกันเอง แล้วนี่เราจะรับผิดชอบได้อย่างไร เขาด่าว่า นายกฯ ทำสงคราม ทำให้คนตาย ๒,๕๐๐ คน ความจริงไม่ใช่อย่างนั้น ๒,๕๐๐ คน มันหมดทั้งหมด เขานับแต่ว่า พวกที่ตายเป็นส่วนใหญ่ เป็นพวกที่เขาฆ่ากันเอง พวกที่ค้า พวกที่ผลิต เขาฆ่ากันเอง จำนวนมาก ที่ทางราชการจะรับผิดชอบ ก็อาจจะมีจำนวนหนึ่ง ก็ลองถามทางผู้บัญชาการตำรวจแห่งชาติ ไปแยก จำแนกเป็นเท่าไร ก็เชื่อว่าใน ๒,๕๐๐ นี่ มากที่เขาฆ่ากันเอง แล้วก็ความผิดของเขา มาโยนความผิดให้ท่านซูเปอร์นายกฯ

ไม่รู้ล่ะก็นายกฯ สั่งให้รองนายกฯ รองนายกฯ ก็เป็นซีอีโอ แต่นายกฯ ก็เป็นซีอีโอ ซูเปอร์นายกฯ ก็โยนให้ เพราะว่าบอกว่าเป็นผู้ชนะ ผู้ชนะกลายเป็นฆ่าหมดเลย ต้องรับผิดชอบฆ่า แต่แท้จริงลูกน้องก็ต้องรับผิดชอบ คือ ที่เข้าใจ ซีอีโอไม่รับผิดชอบอะไรเลย ต้องให้รองนายกฯ รับผิดชอบ และต้องมี ๗ คนด้วย รองนายกฯ ๗ คน คือผู้รับผิดชอบ แล้วรองนายกฯ ๗ คน เขารับผิดชอบ เขาก็ผลักให้พวกปลัดกระทรวง ให้พวกรัฐมนตรีก่อน พวกรัฐมนตรีบอกไม่รับผิดชอบ ต้องรัฐมนตรีช่วยว่าการ รัฐมนตรีช่วยว่าการก็ไม่รับผิดชอบ ต้องเป็นผู้ช่วยรัฐมนตรี ผู้ช่วยรัฐมนตรีก็บอกว่า ปลัดนั่นต้องรับผิดชอบ

นายกฯ บอก แล้วปลัดไม่ต้องรับผิดชอบอะไร ไม่ต้องทำอะไร รองปลัดก็รับผิดชอบหมด รองปลัดบอกมีอธิบดี อย่างนี้เป็นการบอกว่า ไม่รับผิดชอบ ไม่มีใครรับผิดชอบเลย ลงท้ายใครรับผิดชอบ ประชาชนซีอีโอ ประชาชนซีอีโอทุกคน รับผิดชอบหมด ไม่จะทำอย่างไร คือการปกครองสมัยนี้แปลกดี กลับไปเหมือนอย่างเก่า กฎหมายประชาชนรับผิดชอบหมด ตอนนี้คนที่เดือดร้อนคือข้าพเจ้าเอง เดือดร้อน ท่านรองนายกฯ มาบอกว่า ทรงเป็นซูเปอร์ซีอีโอ แล้วใช้คำอะไร จำไม่ได้แล้ว

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I've removed the section. It was added in this edit, but has since been edited so that it no longer appears to carry any relevance to the subject (which was questionable to begin with). --Paul_012 (talk) 16:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Reason for deletion of comparison to British monarchy in Introduction
In Forbes Magazine's ranking of the wealth of monarchs (these stated sources ), the wealth of the British Queen Elizabeth II is actually stated to be $450 million, not three times $30 billion of the Thai king.

What the sentence refers to by stating that the British crown is worth three times more than the Thai king's $30 billion is this source, which was not an analysis by Forbes but a news report by Forbes on an analysis done by an independent consulting firm named Brand Finance. Here is a citation to the referenced report by Brand Finance.

There are several reasons why using this source is problematic in this context. The first reason is that the report gets this £67.5 billion ($88 billion) by valuing the British monarchy as having £25.5 billion in tangible assets and £42 billion in intangible assets. In the £42 billion in intangible assets, this analysis is trying to put a cash value on the power of the British monarchy "brand name", which is not a real on-the-books assets like the Thai king's $30 billion valuation. In a direct comparison, only the tangible £25.5 billion of the British crown is comparable to the Thai king's $30 billion.

The second reason why this comparison is problematic is the nature of the tangible assets. The British crown's £25.5 billion in tangible assets comes mainly from The Crown Estate and the Royal Collections Trust (the only exception is about £1 billion coming from the Duchy of Lancaster and the Duchy of Cornwall, the essentially private properties of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles, respectively -- the estimate for the Duchy of Lancaster seems to correspond to Forbes' $450 million valuation for the Queen of England). Theoretically, the British crown's Crown Estate and Royal Collections Trust assets should be comparable to the source of the wealth of the King of Thailand, as both holdings are neither of the government nor private property of monarchs, but something like government agencies run by the monarchy. In practice, however, the Thai monarch's $30 billion in assets are subject to far less scrutiny and regulation than the British monarch's assets -- this makes the Thai government's assets much more like private wealth which would contribute to the Thai king's net worth. In comparison, the Crown Estate is similar to a public assets, and most of the Royal Collections are public assets as well (like national treasures) that the Queen owns only a relatively small portion of.

Finally, from a perspective of encyclopedic objectivity, this mention of the British monarch seems unrelated except as an opinionated defense of the Thai monarchy. None of the four sources mention the British monarchy having three times more wealth than the Thai king. That is to say, this seems like a poorly made comparison for the sake of defending the monarchy, likely by an individual editor.

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