Talk:Bianca Ryan/Archive 1

Question
Where can I find a voice clip of her singing? loulou 16:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You can find video clips of her singing on YouTube.com. I have MP3's of her first and second performance, and I'd be glad to e-mail them to you.  DarkAdonis255 23:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Her appeal
Her voice, although impressive considering her age, is only considered so perticularily special because of Americas racial steriotyping of thicker, soul esque voices usualy belonging to women of african american descent. 20 August 2006 Derik101
 * Ummm... if that's your opinion, then fine (but I disagree). However, unless you have a source with which you can make that claim a fact, it doesn't belong in the Wikipedia article, and this talk page is to discuss that article; not how much we like or dislike Bianca. DarkAdonis255 11:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)Bianca is a very smart wonderful voiced little girl!

Ellipses in Morgan's quote
Just as a further explanation of my most recent edit, writing style demands ellipses when snippets from a quote are presented as a single quote. Per the video (which may or may not have been edited prior to broadcast), Morgan's verbatim statement is, "Change your hair... change your dress... change your shoes... and you will win this tournament. (audience cheers) I&mdash; I have never... I have never heard a voice like that on an 11-year-old in my life! You came on this stage, and you blew us away!" RadioKirk (u|t|c)  02:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Brandy quote ellipses restored, same reason. Also, one of the most common mistakes in sentence structure is to assume that the parenthetical phrase is the noun subject; "none of the judges was impressed" is correct&mdash;"none" ("not one") is the noun phrase while "of the judges" is the parenthetical explanation of the noun phrase. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  03:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Another change to Brandy quote; technically accurate, serves the purpose and is not so clunky. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  03:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. But it should use the actual ellipses: … instead of 3 periods. Arual


 * Probably :) I don't recall the code, though ;) RadioKirk (u|t|c)  12:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

GA
I have listed this article as a Good Article per the nomination. It seems to meet the qualifications. Please just ensure that all facts are always cited. Michael 01:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

One editor's "Criticisms"
On this page is the Philadelphia Inquirer editorial "A star is trained" (second item). In the first paragraph, the PI editoral staff notes that Ryan can be described with the words, "[l]ittle girl, big voice", and says we also can call the "talented singer" a "millionaire". Staff writers note that her father "put [Ryan] on the path to musical stardom after watching" Tiffany Evans win Star Search by sending his daughter to Evans' vocal coach, Sal Dupree, for lessons. "Dupree, you must conclude," reads the editorial, "knows just a little bit about voice coaching." Staff then congratulates Ryan and her family and wishes them luck "as they try to maintain their bearings in the topsy-turvy world of a child star."

Nowhere in this editorial is Shawn Ryan or his daughter criticized for his/her/their choices.

The anonymous editor at 121.6.49.x and later at 165.21.155.x insists on labeling this information under the heading "Criticisms", adding unsourced data in an effort to solidify his/her own conclusions. This is in direct violation of Wikipedia's guidelines on neutrality and original research and cannot be allowed to stand as written per Biographies of living persons. If/when a recognized industry expert levels any criticisms, that (with appropriate citation) can stand.

Meantime, if this editor wishes to level his/her own criticisms, s/he is welcome to pay for a web host. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought, nor a soapbox, nor a web host. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  16:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

TV appearances
Is it necessary and encyclopedic to list all the talk shows that she's appeared on? That would be suitable for IMDB (which could use that info), probably not Wikipedia. Tinlinkin 08:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The bigger that list gets, the more I tend to agree; the problem is, culling it down requires a judgment call as to which are more notable. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  13:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * After reviewing similar articles, including some that are featured, I've removed the table in favor of a bullet list. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  16:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Christmas Everyday
Album data here (site requires Internet Explorer to view). RadioKirk (u|t|c)  17:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

A note to those tracking album sales
It appears the 34,362 figure that a couple of editors have tried to add may indeed be accurate; however, because of Wikipedia's verifiability policy, it cannot be added yet. SoundScan is subscriber-only, and data lifted from there and posted to message boards or blogs has no editorial oversight; by necessity, we can only update that which we can freely verify. <tt style="color:#161;">RadioKirk (u|t|c) </tt> 19:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * After further review, I'm going to consider this to be non-controversial data supported by a preponderance of evidence; all sources (including this one) cite the same figure and none cites a different one, even though no one site could on its own be considered reliable. If anyone feels I'm making the wrong decision here, feel free to revert me and explain on this page. <tt style="color:#161;">RadioKirk (u|t|c) </tt> 01:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

This edit is also based on the idea that non-controversial data can be supported by a preponderance of evidence: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, plus 5 more at this writing. <tt style="color:#161;">RadioKirk (u|t|c) </tt> 21:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Same concept for 53,403. :) <tt style="color:#161;">RadioKirk (u|t|c) </tt> 18:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Dutch Top 40 singles
What chart did her song appear in? According to the Dutch Top 40 number-one hits of 2006, Jan Smit's "Cupido" was #1 on the week of December 12. This contradicts something stated on the page for "Why Couldn't It Be Christmas Every Day?". Pink moon 1287 (email•talk•user) 19:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

It's actually the Radio & Records Netherlands Top 20 Chart (which, naturally, has since been updated, and there's no obvious archive). I'll fix it straightaway. <tt style="color:#161;">RadioKirk (u|t|c) </tt> 20:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Heritage, and why using the word "part"
An editor today changed "part" to "half" in reference to Miss Ryan's heritage. While I've reverted this per WP:RS, I thought I'd note why I used "part" in the first place: this article originally stated that Ryan is one-quarter Japanese because her mother is one-half Japanese; however, the cited source did not back up the claim and, to date, I can find no other. Jeannie O'Sullivan of the Northeast Times suggested it was factual when she wrote that Ryan has "exotic almond eyes that reveal the Japanese fraction of her mostly Irish heritage", but she didn't specify the "fraction". Now you know. :) <tt style="color:#161;">RadioKirk (u|t|c) </tt> 17:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Prodigy
An anonymous editor today removed "child prodigy" from the article, claiming she's not. I've restored "prodigy" ("child prodigy" is redundant) based on this from Merriam-Webster:
 * 2 b : a highly talented child or youth

and this from dictionary.com:
 * 1. a person, esp. a child or young person, having extraordinary talent or ability: a musical prodigy

and this from the American Heritage Dictionary:
 * 1. A person with exceptional talents or powers: a math prodigy

<tt style="color:#161;">RadioKirk (u|t|c) </tt> 15:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that a reasonable argument could be made for removing prodigy, based on the criteria you outline above--"exceptional" and "extraordinary" are inherantly judgemental terms, particularly when appraising the arts.RyanGrant 05:53, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I must disagree; a judgmental term such as "prodigy" does indeed require sufficient presentation and, as I read it, both audience and critical reaction in appraisal of this particular artist beg for its inclusion. &mdash; ATinySliver  | talk  06:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Footnote error
Note 8 in the Footnotes section contains this message: "^ Cite error: Invalid 'ref' tag; no text was provided for refs named dancer "

This needs to be fixed. Tweisbach (talk) 06:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.234.220.195 (talk) 06:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

From a copy of the wikipedia article at http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Bianca-Ryan, this appears reference to be a philly.com article that no longer exists that the specified location <http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/living/16006910.htm>. That article appears to be copied at <http://streetbrand.blogspot.com/2007/02/10-reasons-why-we-love-bianca-ryan_25.html>. Tweisbach (talk) 06:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Personal Section
>> At age seven, Ryan developed a preference in the R&B and gospel music genres, and recalls practicing in her family's basement only to hear her father ask, "How did you learn to sing like that?" Neighbor Denise Bauchens told the Northeast News Gleaner that while she was sweeping her patio one day in 2004, heard Ryan's voice.[6]

>> For the 2006-2007 academic year, Ryan was a sixth-grader at School Lane Charter School in Bensalem Township, Pennsylvania. "I'm in school most of the time," she said, "and keep up on my work when I have to go on the road."

I don't think "facts" like these should be included in an encyclopedia, let alone a "good article". I didn't want to change it without asking for you guys' opinion first :)

Huge thanks
To the editor who placed the sound clip from Ryan's audition at age eleven on her page-- Well done! Sometimes those little additions make all the difference, inspiring readers to check out more than what is on the page. Same goes for great editors who word things in ways that leave you wanting more, and good photos that enhance the text! Thank you! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Why does the link look screwy?&mdash; ATinySliver  | talk  06:11, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Found it, nvm. &mdash; ATinySliver  | talk  05:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

My edits and the future
I'm going to see if I can't get this article back to W:GA status, at least. Please feel free to let me and/or other editors know what you feel is missing/wrong/fixable/etc. &mdash; ATinySliver  | talk  05:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Getting there *whew* (my eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyes... O_O xD) &mdash; ATinySliver  | talk  07:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Birth date
I have made requests for corrections to AllMusic and iTunes, which per Ms. Ryan's heavy social-media presence yesterday clearly have the date incorrect. Once those are fixed, I'll fix the article. — ATinySliver / ATalkPage  20:04, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

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Audio clip
... was removed with the summary "fails NFCC#8". I vehemently disagree.

Point 8 states, "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." The audio clip does precisely that: until recently, a reader would not be unduly surprised to read that an 11-year-old won a nationwide (and nationally televised) talent competition—until same reader hears the clip of her voice from that competition. (I say "until recently" given the victories of Grace VanderWaal and Darcie Lynn more than ten years later.) ATS (talk) 22:48, 5 October 2018 (UTC)