Talk:Biauswah

Three Things
I had been meaning to write this article for quite a while and found it was already written. I have a few questions/comments.


 * 1) Do we know that the elder Biauswah's camp was at the mouth of the Brule?  The Brule is a good 60-70 miles west of La Pointe and Warren says 40.  There is a historical marker about the Tragedy of the Siskiwit in Cornucopia, WI.  I wrote both of those articles and placed the events there.  Cornucopia is only about 20 miles west of Bayfield, WI on Hwy 13, but I am assuming Warren meant by canoe, and Siskiwit Bay would be about 40 miles considering you'd have to go up around Point Detour by Little Sand Bay.  However, I woudn't be surprised if just someone placed it at Cornucopia back in the fifties to get some kind of marker and pulled this story out of Warren.  Siskiwit is not the name Warren uses.  I forgot the name, and I don't have the book handy, but for some reason I thought it had to do with birch trees.  Bark Bay is the next bay west of Siskiwit, so that wouldn't surprise me.  Long story short, someone in Red Cliff would probably know, but without a source stating the Brule, and given its distance away, I think Siskiwit Bay has to be the default.
 * 2) In Kohl's Kitchi-Gami, Bajasswa appears in the geneology of Loon's Foot, a man from La Pointe.  There is only one Biaswah in the direct male line so I'm assuming it's the elder.  Once again, I don't have the book handy, but it's something that could back-up/contradict Warren.
 * 3) I support some kind of disambig.  Biauswah II can stand as an article, but I wonder if there is enough known about the elder.  As I said, I already wrote Tragedy of the Siskiwit, which could be reconfigured as a biography of Biauswah I.

Leo1410 17:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

PS. Does the timing of the elder's death place it in or around the second of the Fox Wars? Certainly, the story in Warren of how the younger backed up with many warriors from Sault Ste. Marie and La Pointe moved into Fond du Lac and the interior of Wisconsin would support the idea of the Ojibwe taking possession of those areas after the Fox Wars and then having to fight the Dakota to keep them. Leo1410 17:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Kohl, from his interview with Maangozid, lists only one Bayaaswaa the grandfather of Maangozid but Warren lists two (in two different volumes that vary just a bit between the two), as do MacLean and Hodge (most likely citing Warren). Among the Fond du Lac Band their account says Bayaaswaa was originally part of the Bois Brule Band.  Now, the tragedy happened in the vicinity of the Brule River, but I haven't heard exactly where, so since Cornucopia is in the vicinity, it could have been there.  As for the distances that Warren gives, Warren uses the distances along the Ozaagiing Trail that connects Gete-oodenaa (Superior, WI) with Oshki-oodenaa (Bayfield, WI), which sort of follows US-2, and not WI-13.  As for the article split, if you can gracefully split it, please do.  It would cause a lot less confusion if it were two separate articles. CJLippert 01:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Kah-puk-wi-e-kah
Warren calls the name of the bay where the Fox attack occured Kah-puk-wi-e-kah. Using my limited Ojibwe transliteration skills, I looked in Nichols and Nyholm and the closest I could come was Gaa-bagwa'ige "patched." Anyone have a better idea? Leo1410 (talk) 15:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Try Gaa-apakwaayikaag or in the current pronunciation Gaa-apakwaanikaag. Today, the locals call the area Gaa-apakwaanikaaniing. While the old name means "Where there are plenty of roofing-materials", the current local name means "At the place where there are plenty of roofing-materials". Oh, and that place today in Zhaaganaashiimowin is Port Wing, Wisconsin. CJLippert (talk) 14:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)