Talk:Big Australia

Not a policy
A 'Big Australia' was never a 'policy' - it was a demographic projection of the likely results of the rates of immigration and other demographic factors which the Federal Treasury expected in the future. Rudd's position was that this population level was about right rather than it was something he was seeking. Despite the verbiage since this became unpopular, Australia remains on track to hit this population level, and it would take drastic cuts in the level of immigration to avoid it. I've just adjusted the article accordingly. Nick-D (talk) 07:26, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * In regards to the recent to-and-fro, my comments above summarize my views. This wasn't a "concept", but rather a demographic projection which Rudd thought was headed in the right direction. There was never any goal to aim for a population of 35 million - this is something which is simply going to happen given Australia's current population and likely future migrant intake and other population trends. No recent Australian Government has endorsed a target population level. Nick-D (talk) 00:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Groups opposed to Big Australia
As requested, I am disputing the reversal of my recent changes, with reasons as quoted: "what relevance do those minor parties have to this issue?" and "Unless those minor parties made a notable contribution to the debate on this issue or arose as a result of it (which I don't think is the case, though I may be mistaken(, I'm not sure what the relevance of adding links to them is."

Firstly, the Australian Stable Population Party is a direct response to the issue. As said above, "No recent Australian Government has endorsed a target population level", but the Stable Population Party is aiming to have a population target for Australia. Members of the Stable Population Party "became alarmed when hearing of Kevin Rudd's push for a 'Big Australia'". Some relevant quotes as proof that their intention is to directly address the "big Australia" issue:
 * 1) "We are on track to reach the Liberal/Labor 'big Australia' target of 36-40 million by 2050, growing to well over 80 million by 2100 - way beyond our long-term carrying capacity."
 * 2) "Population growth is not inevitable. The Howard and Rudd/Gillard Governments, influenced by big business donors, have deliberately implemented policies that will deliver a disastrous 'big Australia' population."
 * 3) "Research conducted in 2012 by McCrindle Research shows that 73% of Australian prefer a stable population of 26 million by 2050 to a big Australia of 36 million – and still growing."
 * 4) "The Stable Population Party was registered in 2010 to give all Australians a choice on population and the quality of life we pass on. 'Stable population' policies would mean a more sustainable 26 million at 2050, not the Labor/Liberal 'big Australia' plan for 36 million and rising."

Secondly, the Sustainable Population Australia group is similarly a non-profit, non-political group advocating the same thing. They were formed earlier as a response to the issue of a big Australia before Kevin Rudd used the term "big Australia", and Australian population as a whole, so I would say still directly relevant but can understand a little more if that group needn't be added. It's not a minor political party as was stated in the reversal notes. Syhon (talk) 09:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * What references show that this tiny political party had a meaningful role in this debate? - all you've referenced is the party's own statements. I can't remember them playing any significant role. Nick-D (talk) 08:07, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The mention does not appear to disagree with the WP:SEEALSO guidelines; the party is related and satisfies notability requirements. --Syhon (talk) 12:44, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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