Talk:Big Brother (American TV series)

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You have a good start here, but the article needs several fixes before it will be ready for GA status. GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria Thanks for all your hard work on this article; I'm sure you can make it to GA status in the future. --Bloodzombie 15:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
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 * Too much use of passive voice - almost the entire article. Use active voice for clear prose.
 * Many awkward constructions such as, "The live show is broadcast live on Thursday nights.", grammatical errors, punctuation errors, etc. Work over the entire article with a copy editor who is interested in the topic.
 * Entirely too much reliance on primary sources (episodes or official web sites). Many more reliable, secondary sources are needed.
 * The lead contains a statement that the show's name is based on Orwell's novel, but that is not discussed in the article or backed up by a source.
 * There is no discussion about who developed the series, how, why, etc.
 * The "Live Show" and "Live Internet feeds" headings need sources
 * The entire "Competitions" section is original research.
 * Some headings do not follow Manual of Style (headings).
 * The second paragraph under "Main series" is awkwardly written. It speaks of "the announcer" before we know who or what the announcer is.
 * The "Format" section is hard to follow and introduces terms that are not defined for the reader such as "HouseGuests" and "Diary Room", "power", "silver", etc. Readers who don't watch the show will not be able to follow this. See Explain jargon.
 * In the first paragraph of that section, it is not necessary to put a citation after every sentence when they are all the same source.
 * The heading "Shows" needs a better title and more context, such as a lead paragraph describing what this section is about. Related shows?  Spin-offs?
 * The "Criticisms and Controversy" section contains unnecessary detail about events on the show and no discussion of how the show is received by critics.
 * Some references are not properly formatted: extra brackets around links. See Footnotes.

There is a book from Fox Reality Channel "The Encyclopedia of reality television : the ultimate guide to over twenty years of realityTV from the Real World to Dancing With the Stars." if someone can find it at a library or even a bookstore. It covers many shows which can improve many articles on here. Although some of the rating information is incorrect (big brother hasn't aired regular on wed. nights) Season 1 could you this the most with concise ratings information and a great summary of the show as well.--Cooly123 23:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)


 * I am going to re-do this article to make it GA the re-assessment. I was going to work on Big Brother 12 (U.S.) but this is a higher important article. This will take some time to make sure everything as adequate sources, the lead needs to be re-worked, etc. This article should be a general overview of Big Brother and the individual details like the America's Vote and Pandora's Box tables should be removed.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  17:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Concept
It might be helpful to briefly mention how the concept was from by the Dutch Endemol. Currently, it sounds like it was a Endemol US concept Nil Einne 13:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Jury house
It says in the article that: "As each member of the Jury is evicted from the House they are sequestered in a separate house." This is false, as far as I know. In BB9 the evicted houseguests were shown together in the Jury house.--Agnaramasi (talk) 17:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say "each sequestered in each one of their own separate houses." Therefore it's fine as is. --luckymustard (talk) 01:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Contestants article
Can you please create the article of list of Big Brother (U.S) contestants page? Just like the contestant lists of Survivor, The Amazing Race and America's Next Top Model. --ApprenticeFan (talk) 11:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Good idea but I don't know how! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.244.120 (talk) 02:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Ratings
http://www.realitybbqforums.com/showthread.php?p=247943 --Cooly123 (talk) 16:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)--Cooly123 (talk) 16:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Could this please be listed in the appropriate are? --Cooly123 (talk) 20:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We can't use fansites or forums as sources. If you can find reliable sites with that information then it could be included.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  05:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Winner Adam "Baller" of season 9 was arrested for possession of illegal drug and had confused to using his winning on drugs, this should be mention in the controveries section overall and in the season 9 page.--Cooly123 16:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

2010 season
Will there finally be a celebrity big brother to premiere after the superbowl or in early 2010?--Cooly123 01:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

HOH spy screen
In what season was the spy screen started? 4 or 5 and can that be place within its season article.--Cooly123 00:51, 2 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Yes Dear
There should be mention of the big brother themed episode of Yes Dear which had actual contestants from prior season and used the actual house.--Cooly123 18:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

How's the new season table working out?
I've made a new season table; what do you think about it?

Lamp301 (talk) 02:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The Season Details Table, season 14, currently has a fake winner listed. (The show hasnt progressed that far yet) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.53.94.32 (talk) 00:09, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Big Brother (U.S.)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Big Brother (U.S.)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "ReferenceA": From The Bold and the Beautiful: http://www.amazon.com/The-Bold-And-Beautiful-Began/dp/B009ZVPFUK/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top From Big Brother (TV series): Big Brother Germany has been replaced since 2012 by Berlin Tag und Nacht, a new format which is a huge success with up to 1 million spectators. 

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 21:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

A userpage draft for this article
Does the content at User:Llibllib have a place at this article, or is this account using his userpage as a webhosting service? Please advise/delete. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay, last chance. This will probably be deleted soon. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:01, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

What Happened?
Before Big Brother 16 had ended this page looked awesome, it was displayed ina way where it was easy to read, easy to find what you were looking for, and now it's just a big mess, all the seasons are in one paragragh (mind you a long one) but it seems way too messy! It was much better when it was sperated season by season! It looked nice and not messed up like how it is now! Really hope it switches back, cause this is just too messy and all over the place!

Looks like no cares? Oh well, I'm pretty sure this page will be getting a notice for evaluation. I may just hand this article in as a high school essay, as thats how it's written, I'm sure to get an A+ on it right? Since it's "proudly" posted on this site, I'll see what my high school teacher thinks, if I get an A+ I will apologize to you, but I'm pretty sure the grade I would get if I hand in this mess of an article! I do not mean to offend anyone (much) but seriously. look at this page, it's cluttered, all the season details are shoved in one very long paragraph and an extremely messy one as well. But if whoever wrote/posted it this way is happy the way it is, again, I'm sure my high shcool teacher will feel the same! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.104.99.158 (talk) 06:56, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Voting History Formatting
It has come to my attention some of the Big Brother (U.S.) seasonal articles have formatting issues regarding eviction statuses. Wikipedians have established a protocol, requiring the "to evict" phrase to go on a separate line. Even though those seasonal articles do not directly involve finance, the accounting concept of consistency still applies.--OfficerAPC (talk) 22:17, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Summarizing BB Seasons
It appears some of the edits include a summary of Big Brother 17 (U.S.) that is NOT written in the neutral point of view. They have been reverted as such until we can get a summary that complies with this policy.--OfficerAPC (talk) 19:12, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

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Page Updates
I feel as though I shouldn't have to point out that this page is in terrible shape. It is filled with redundant, unimportant information. I have spent quite some time working on what I felt to be a more organized version of the page in my sandbox, only to have it reverted soon after. Each season has its own page, and a lot of the info on this page isn't notable enough to need to be featured on the series AND season pages both. The version I posted differs from the original only in that it adds some critical reviews and removes a lot of repetitive information. The info on the page was simply rearranged, using the same sources, into what I felt were more cohesive and relevant headers. I was looking forward to attempting to fix up this article, as well as the season articles, but I'm not about to spend time on an article just to get into an edit war. I'm not saying it should go back to my edit, but something has got to give with this page as it's in horrible condition. The only info I removed that could potentially be worth replacing would be the runner-up and jury vote from the season details chart, and maybe some info on the battle back as it has been in quite a few seasons now. I would love to try and fix up this page, but I'm not going to spend any more time on it unless I know we can come to some sort of agreement. -- Sethjohnson95 19 January 2018 9:30 PM UTC
 * I agree that I think this page could use SOME work however I don't agree with EVERYTHING you did on the page. I would actually like to help you rework this page as well as the season article's. If it's still there would you mind if I edited some of the sandbox and like you said maybe we could come to some sort of an agreement. The Doctor Who  (talk) 02:47, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Scratch that I see it's not there anymore let me copy the edit history of your sandbox real quick into one of mine. The Doctor Who  (talk) 02:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright I copied it into User:TheDoctorWho/sandbox6 give me about half an hour to an hour to make some changes and I'll let you look and hopefully we can come to an agreement. The Doctor Who  (talk) 02:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I had already begun a rough draft of the first season page. I might have exaggerated in stating the page is terrible, my apologies. I knew my edit wasn't perfect and would be changed to some extent, I just didn't expect to be reverted in its entirety. It just made sense to edit the main page for the series before beginning work on the seasons, which are what really need a lot of work IMO. Especially the "list of houseguests" pages will have few reliable sources in them. Thanks for being so cool about it all. -- Sethjohnson95 19 January 2018 10:01 PM (UTC)
 * No apologies needed it's not difficult to copy into my sandbox. Also before you get too far into editing the first season article one thing I want to address for the summary (especially with seasons 2-17) is to put it in the format how it is BB18 and BB19 if you wanna look at those. I plan on assisting any way I can I think this would be a big project for any editor to do by themselves. There are existing projects at WP:BIGBRO as well as a USA specific task force at WP:BIGBRO/USA however neither of those seem as active as they were at one time ESPECIALLY THE USA ONE. Also I think I'm finished editing at the point on my sandbox if you wanna take a look when you get a chance. The Doctor Who  (talk) 05:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it looks good! It will probably take me a few days for the first season article, as I have a busy few days coming up. I will post in the talk page before I make any changes to the season page so other users can check out my sandbox (though I have a feeling you'll be the only one to actually notice lol. The only active BB pages seem to be the most recent or upcoming seasons). -- Sethjohnson95 20 January 2018 12:40 AM (UTC)
 * Alright so you want me to go ahead and switch it out? It's alright nothing has to be done instantly I might start on a different series article. And I agree, at this point the two most active BBUS pages are the recent Big Brother 19 (U.S.) and the upcoming Celebrity Big Brother (U.S.) The Doctor Who  (talk) 05:47, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Celebrity Big Brother
Is there a source for the number of days in the house that's listed at here for CBB??? The Doctor Who (talk) 02:28, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * At the moment, we don't have a reliable source for that information. In fact, we don't know what day the celebrity houseguests will officially move in. OfficerAPC (talk) 02:42, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright I'll remove it then. The Doctor Who  (talk) 02:44, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, I removed it for you. OfficerAPC (talk) 03:33, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes I went to remove it and when I saved it was an edit conflict so thank you. And speaking on the topic I found a source that was published last night that explicitly states "Scratch all that first-night business. Apparently, celeb HGs move in this week and will have the first week without us watching. Well nuts." we've used this website for a source on most things however we still don't know the exact day but it begins to give us an idea to narrow down. The Doctor Who  (talk) 19:31, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Naming of various Big Brother articles
Hi! I started a discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother about aligning all the various versions and seasons of Big Brother (franchise) with the guidelines of Naming conventions (television). I created a table showing all the different various naming conventions currently in use and recommended article names based on my understanding of WP:NCTV. I'm posting this notice to all applicable areas for a broad discussion. Thank You!  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  20:26, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Two Things to Discuss
Now that Big Brother 20 (U.S.) is over, there are two issues I need to address. OfficerAPC (talk) 04:04, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) There appears to be a dispute over what color to use if America's Favorite Houseguest is also the winner or runner-up, as that has now happened twice.
 * 2) There is no official announcement for Big Brother 21 (U.S.), so it's just speculation and we should wait for the official word from production.
 * The color was originally changed to the yellow(ish) color at the CBB1 article after Ross won both. It went a little back and forth but after a while for the most part it satyed. So I believe it should be the same color on the BB20 article. As for BB21, I say that Julie's announcement of "We'll be back next summer" or something along those lines as well as the casting calls is enough to add the line. The Doctor Who  (talk) 05:43, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I had no clue how the color changed tbh but during CBB1 I wasn't as active on Wiki as I usually was. My thoughts here on the matters.
 * For the colors the American and Canadian versions only have 1 runner-up with the current format. The yellow color in the endgame template for the American/Canadian formats should only be used when there is an actual third finalist (i.e. Big Brother 1 (U.S.), Big Brother: Over the Top). When the actual winner/runner-up also wins "America's Favorite HouseGuest" I think the infobox should use the standard color with the legend saying "Runner-up ($50,000) and America's Favorite HouseGuest ($25,000)". This keeps the colors consistent between seasons and reduces the need for extra colors.
 * While Julie said the show would be back next summer during the finale that is not a 100% conformation as CBS hasn't issued a renewal. There have been shows in the past where the hosts have gone "see you next year" and get canceled or opened up casting then get canceled. Until CBS confirms that Big Brother has been renewed there should be no "Season 21" added on the main Big Brother (U.S. TV series) and Big Brother (franchise) pages. In the past CBS has waited as late as February/March to renew Big Brother so it is entirely possible that the network may not send out an actual renewal until/after Celebrity Big Brother.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  06:06, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that the colors should be consistent and that is exactly the reason for the different color. These HouseGuests won BOTH AFH and Runner-Up compared to the others having just won Runner-Up. As for "reducing the need for extra colors" this is actually taking the runner-up color and the AFH color and combining them into one so.... The Doctor Who  (talk) 15:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The thing is for the winner and runner-up their field is customizable so if they win America's Favorite HouseGuest it can be added while keeping their color the same. What happens if the actual winner wins America's Favorite HouseGuest? Do we need a new color then? There are only two optional colors for this template "Legend5" by default is for an evicted HouseGuest (America's Favorite Juror/HouseGuest, season long America's Player, etc.) wins a major cash prize ($25k or higher). "Legend3" is typically reserved for the 2nd runner-up to match the Nomination/Voting history tables. If the winner or runner-up that typically gets the green/blue colors wins America's Favorite HouseGuest then their colors should be left alone with their legend amended combining the two prizes.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  20:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That was almost the case for Big Brother 20 (U.S.) as Tyler Crispen lost by just one vote! If we are going to use a separate color, there should just be one color in the unlikely event the winner or runner-up is later named America's Favorite Houseguest.  Otherwise, we'll just stick to the established colors and then indicate the information in the legend section. OfficerAPC (talk) 21:11, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The thing is with this template you can't override the "Winner" and "Evicted" colors they are shown by default regardless if the legend is there or not. The template will automatically generate a "Winner" and "Evicted" legend at the bottom. So for example if Tyler would have won and someone would have tried to use "Legend3" for Winner + AFH for him the template would have included Winner at the bottom despite no HouseGuest having winner in their status. To get around this would require an extensive revamp of this template. This is another reason why I'm saying for the Winner and Runner-up if they win AFH leave their colors alone and just add AFH to their legend. The priority of the prizes should go Winner > Runner-up > AFH only evicted HouseGuests that win AFH should get a different color to distinguish them as the winner of AFH/AFJ.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  22:33, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother.   Alucard 16  ❯❯❯ chat?    09:29, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Season Names
Why are we listing the season names on the table rather than just the numbers. It throws off all of the data and makes the chart look uneven. By the way nobody says Big Brother: Death do...whatever. It was dropped like season 17 was Big Brother: Takeover. Everyone just refers to it as BB9 --Nobo71-Wikipedia.org 00:57, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree, we should be consistent with what to call these in the table. OfficerAPC (talk) 02:03, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I've removed the names but added Also known as notes if that's alright? The Doctor Who  (talk) 02:20, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Looks a whole lot better, thanks --Nobo71-Wikipedia.org 02:38, 22 January 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nobo71 (talk • contribs)

"Series details and viewership", "Main edition" table
For the "Main edition" table in the "Series details and viewership" section, do we really need to have a column for CBS when the content is the same for each cell in the column? Seems unnecessary, especially since the table is so large. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:28, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I would have to look this up later but I believe the MOS is not to include "Network" unless there has been a change in networks airing the show. Now if BBOTT was included in the main table then yes the column would be needed. Since BBOTT is separated from the main table then "Network" should only be used in the "Digital edition" table since it aired on All Access. Also this brings another long standing question I've always had. Do we need notes beside the number of HouseGuests explaining returnees? For an overview table I don't think this is needed since each season article and List of Big Brother (U.S. TV series) houseguests notes who is new/returning. Same with the CBB2 we just need the actual # of HouseGuests which is 11. When someone clicks on the season link or visits List of Big Brother (U.S. TV series) houseguests there they can find out that there was a fake HouseGuest. IMO we should only use the notes section for details relevant to the table like the subtitles used for season 7 & 9 and explaining why BB1 and BBOTT "Final vote" is different from the rest. Things like BB11's final vote doesn't need a note because it follows the same style as the other seasons. Readers can click on the link to the season article to find out America was a juror that year.   Alucard 16  ❯❯❯ chat?    18:57, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * In line with my previous comment I don't think a note should explain the Twin Twist of BB5 and BB17 either that's best left to the article. Overall I believe there should just be 3 notes for the tables.   Alucard 16  ❯❯❯ chat?    19:01, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, generally per MOS:TVOVERVIEW the network column is only included if a series aired on more than one network. It is also generally only included if a series has aired more than one season. I made exceptions for both those because if we go by the generally accepted standard than the OTT table wouldn't exist at all on this table. However, since it does exist I made an exception to include the network column since it aired on a separate network. So I'm neutral either way but if we follow MOS as far to remove the network column than the OTT table should be removed as well since it also violates MOS. The Doctor Who  (talk) 19:12, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I took your suggestion on the notes and removed all but the three. The Doctor Who  (talk) 19:07, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television on whether we should use, abandon, or rewrite WikiProject Big Brother/Structure of series or season articles. Jayab 314  16:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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"BBUS" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect BBUS. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 14 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:48, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Season-specific covers and logos (post-BB10)
After Big Brother 10 (American season), starting from Big Brother 11 (American season), somehow the Big Brother title cards dropped the number part. Exceptions are Big Brother 20 (American season) and Big Brother 22 (American season). Must we show readers how to differentiate the title cards and cover arts just by backgrounds if numbers and subtitles are absent? George Ho (talk) 09:04, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Voting History Table - Veto Winner/Vetoed Colors
Should a color be added on the Voting History table for houseguests who win the Veto, or are originally nominated but are saved by the Veto winner? Right now there's a color for Head of Household (green), nominated Houseguests (blueish-purple), individual immunity (yellow), and team immunity (light orange). TheRealJackMarshall (talk) 18:05, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Big Brother Cast
the one znc only momo n 2601:C4:2:A1C0:8A0C:C622:921C:2C2D (talk) 01:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)