Talk:Big Brother (British TV series) series 15

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Please do not redirect to the main Big Brother (UK) page without discussing the placement of the Big Brother 15 (UK) here in the talk section. In the past, the page for the next series of Big Brother has been created soon after the previous series' finale. It is not too soon for this page to be set up as it's a confirmed season which is now calling for auditions. Bbmaniac (talk) 08:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Just being confirmed and having auditions doesn't mean it needs to be created right now. How does next year's series pass notability guidelines? – anemone projectors – 11:13, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * As for "In the past, the page for the next series of Big Brother has been created soon after the previous series' finale", that was probably the wrong thing to do. I looked at the most recent series, and the article was started in September, was then redirect, but you reverted that. You stated at the time that Brian Dowling was confirmed to host it but that clearly wasn't true. I suggest waiting until next year to start the article, because it's highly unlikely that much information will come out until very close to the launch date. – anemone projectors – 11:20, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it should be redirected for now until we have more information other than auditions --MSalmon (talk) 14:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Brian Dowling was confirmed by Channel 5 at the time and he wasn't axed until April. It's hardly fair to point out the fact I included that when last year's page had been up for seven months before Brian was given the flick. I don't really see the point in waiting for this page to be instated when the season itself has been confirmed and the page is going to be created at some point anyway.Bbmaniac (talk) 01:56, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * And on the topic of notability guidelines, this page already has third-party sources. Also, finally, even if last year's page was created in September, we're not going to know more then than we do now on the next series. So if it was OK to start the page in September last year, I don't see the problem in having this one up now.Bbmaniac (talk) 01:58, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We should at least wait until the first 2014 series of Celebrity Big Brother is over before creating this one. Just because something is happening doesn't mean we need an article about it right now! All we know about it is that it starts in 2014 and auditions opened in August 2013. We don't need a whole article just for that tiny piece of information. One third-party reference doesn't mean it passes WP:GNG. It probably was wrong to start BB 2013's page as soon as September 2012, actually. But this discussion is about this article, not that one. – anemone projectors – 15:24, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That's fair enough, but in that case, Big Brother articles shouldn't really be created until a few weeks before the launch of the series. Only then do we start getting concrete information. However, Big Brother articles are usually created within weeks of the previous series finishing up. There's not that much information at the moment, but it's not as if we're crystal-balling here- the series has been confirmed and it's asking for auditions. It may not be much, but why should the page be delayed for months in anticipation for solid information when, really, there's not going to be any new information until the weeks leading up to the series. I just don't see the harm in starting a new page now the series has been confirmed and the previous series has ended. I respect your position as an administrator so I know it is really up to you what happens with this page. Redirect it if you feel that's necessary but I honestly think it's a waste of time debating over whether or not the next series holds enough merit to warrant it a page or not.Bbmaniac (talk) 01:31, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We can now un-direct the article because it starts next month --MSalmon (talk) 08:59, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Number of days
Does anyone know how many days the series is on for? --MSalmon (talk) 18:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Emma Willis stated that the housemates were entering "half way through" the series. Obviously it's not a reliable source, but it is some confirmation that the series will last about 11 weeks (thus 79 days). So is it incorrect to put "Week 10" as the final in the nominations table? I suggest blanking the weeks until we know for sure, or adding another column with Week 11 as the final week. --RachelRice (talk, contribs) 22:31, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * How can it be 79 days when there are only 72 episodes? --MSalmon (talk) 18:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Where's the episode source? --RachelRice (talk, contribs) 22:42, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Week 1 eviction results
This week the ranking was revealed, as in it was revealed that Jale received the fewest eviction votes with Danielle in second, should this somehow be shown on the table? Guyb123321 (talk) 22:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No. The last few series the housemate with the least or most votes (depending on vote to save or evict) has been revealed but isn't reflected in the table. If the lines reopen after it should say "(out of 2) to evict" etc, but the lines didn't reopen after Jale was saved. ThisIsDanny (talk) 23:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I understand that it hasn't been done in the past, but I think that it is quite important information (knowing who came 2nd/3rd in the vote) and don't understand why it cannot be included? Guyb123321 (talk) 11:44, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless the voting lines were frozen during the eviction show then (out of 2) shouldn't be included. --MSalmon (talk) 12:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

The Live Surprise - TV ratings
For the TV ratings there are 2 rows for Monday, should the "Live Surprise" episode count as an episode? It was just half an hour of live feed, no highlights, no Emma Willis etc. ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess not, you can remove if you want --MSalmon (talk) 22:06, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ✅ ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:10, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Chris's row in the noms table
Hi, I think we should leave his row as it is because it doesn't matter how many nominations he made it still needs to be shown who he nominated. --MSalmon (talk) 10:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Even though it looks untidy, I agree. ThisIsDanny (talk) 11:40, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I was going to suggest this to keep it looking consistent but then that would mean the column would need to be bigger and I still think it looks a little untidy.

ThisIsDanny (talk) 11:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I would keep it as it is with one under the other--MSalmon (talk) 11:52, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I prefer that, since the column is really large at the moment and kinda makes it seem as if he is "more important" than the other housemates Guyb123321 (talk) 18:47, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Nominations table - Power Housemate
Obviously before this week it was fine to say green meant the power housemate and immune, but Emma said week there's a power couple and Emma said that they aren't safe and one would face eviction. But in the table it says as the power housemate and being green, they're automatically immune. The notes will need to be changed to reflect this. ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:08, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless we not use Note 1 for this week and create a separate note? --MSalmon (talk) 22:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Added in a new note where I just simply didn't mention Toya/Christopher being immune. One of them will be up for eviction guaranteed so whenever there is a week where the PH is immune, then we can just use note 1.BlueDevil54 (talk) 05:10, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Should there be a column for choosing the Power Housemate? For all we know they might be deciding this every week then the table would just look like a big mess. Also it would need to shown that the nominated housemates at the time couldn't be voted for. ThisIsDanny (talk) 07:02, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Like Big Brother 9, there should be a separate section. I've just created a basic one now. Don't know if anymore needs to be added. I don't have time now but the Power votes will need to be taken out of the nominations table. ThisIsDanny (talk) 07:37, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have removed the power votes from the nominations table because they had NOTHING to do with nominations, the Power Housemate section can cover that --MSalmon (talk) 08:51, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Nominations table
First of all, Steven didn't nominate Toya last week. It didn't count as a nomination. Like in any other series when two housemates swap, it doesn't count as a nomination. Secondly, we don't need to know who was saved. Again, this hasn't been done for any other series so this series shouldn't be any different. I've seen these edits made a few times and they've been reverted, so I thought I'd take it to the talk page so they can discuss their problems on here. ThisIsDanny (talk) 21:11, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, have changed it back --MSalmon (talk) 21:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Nominations table - new housemates' nominations
There appears to be a dispute concerning the nomination that 3 new housemates will make on Friday which will result in someone being evicted. Surely it makes sense and would be more informative to include the eviction vote in the table, just like Makosi's and Aisleyne's in BB6/7 so should be included? Instead of just 'no nominations'? Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 22:21, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless they are nominating someone to face eviction then it should say 'No nominations' --MSalmon (talk) 22:23, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * They will be nominating on Friday. And any nominations are included in a nomination table. Once again, see BB6 and BB7 tables to see how it is done on the UK tables on the rare occasion when evicting a housemate is purely down to another housemate. The name of the nominee will be in bold. Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 22:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * It would be more informative than just 'No nominations'. 86.158.231.188 (talk) 22:33, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Fine, do what you want but it will be reverted --MSalmon (talk) 22:34, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * But why? You don't rule the article, everyone has a right to edit on Wikipedia. Waterlooroadfan107 (talk) 22:36, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * If that is the case then why isn't Evander vote to evict on the nominations table for both Casey & Lee in Celebrity Big Brother 13? --MSalmon (talk) 18:33, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The table is for nominations, so if there are no nominations, it should say "no nominations". The table is very confusing in places. What do yellow and blue mean? – anemone projectors – 22:10, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't think the yellow and blue are needed. They should be explained by text, not by colour, per WP:ACCESS. See below (addition of notes 3 and 4 for Helen and Jale's situations)


 * Notes
 * : This housemate was the current Power Housemate and could not be nominated for eviction through the standard nomination process that week. Despite not being able to be nominated, in some cases, Power Housemates could face the public vote and could be evicted, see note 4 and note 8.
 * : On Day 2, Power Housemate Pauline granted Helen a pass to the final. On Day 4, as housemates nominated for the first time, Pauline was told she’d make one ‘killer nomination’ – whoever she chose would automatically face every eviction of the series. Pauline decided to give her 'killer nomination' to Jale.
 * : As Helen received a pass to the final on Day 4, she could not be nominated for eviction by her fellow housemates.
 * : As Jale received a killer nomination on Day 4, she automatically faced the public vote and therefore could not be nominated for eviction by her fellow housemates.
 * : On Day 9, Big Brother announced that this week's nominations were cancelled and only the secret Power Housemate, Chris, had the ability to nominate. Chris nominated Pauline and Christopher on Day 9, Steven on Day 10, Ash on Day 11, and Marlon on Day 12. On Day 15, Big Brother announced that Housemates would be choosing the next Power Housemate. All Housemates were eligible to receive the power except for those who were currently facing the public vote.
 * : Toya was voted the Power Housemate by the group on Day 16, and she chose Matthew to join her in forming the first ‘Power Couple’. Together they picked Christopher to automatically face the third eviction. All other housemates later nominated as normal, but before they did, Toya and Matthew had the chance to cancel three housemates’ nominations. They chose Ash, Marlon and Steven. Had this not happened Kimberly would have also faced the public vote. On Day 18, Toya and Matthew were able to save one of the nominees (excluding Christopher and Jale). They chose Steven, who in return had to put either Toya or Matthew up for eviction. He chose Toya.
 * : After Toya's eviction, Big Brother announced ‘Girl Power’, with the female housemates getting control of the house and immunity for the week. As a result of this, Jale was given a one-week reprieve from her killer nomination and all male housemates were automatically put up for eviction. Before the lines opened, the girls were allowed to save three of the boys. They saved Chris, Marlon and Steven.
 * : Marlon was originally nominated alongside Ashleigh, Chris, Christopher and Jale, however he won safety in the Battery Power shopping task meaning he no longer faced eviction.
 * : On Day 39, housemates nominated as normal, unaware that as part of "Armageddon Week" the housemate who received the most nominations would be evicted immediately the next day. Marlon received the most nominations (7 out of a possible 10 nominations) and was therefore evicted.
 * : Unbeknownst to them, Biannca, Pav and Zoe all faced the public vote this week. Unlike previous weeks, this week was a vote to save.
 * After Marlon's eviction, Big Brother told the rest of the housemates that they all faced the public vote this week. In reality, Big Brother handed the power to the new housemates, who had to decide who to evict. As Helen had a free pass to the final, she could not be chosen. Kimberly also could not be chosen as she temporarily left the house on Day 44 due to an illness. Following Biannca's eviction, Pav and Zoe had to decide who to evict, and they unanimously decided to evict Danielle.

– anemone projectors – 22:43, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * What about the other series then? --MSalmon (talk) 12:34, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and did it. Which other series in particular? I just chose series 10 at random and can see a yellow nomination there, for someone who was immune. Thinking back to when I was involved in older articles, maybe there is some benefit to having a colour as it does point out that there was something different, so would make you look towards a note, so maybe some of the colours can be brought back here and maybe I was a little too hasty. However, the notes about Jale and Helen should stay as there should be some text to accompany every colour. – anemone projectors – 12:39, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I would re add the colors, get rid of Notes 3 & 4 and expand on Note 2, then use Note 2 for those weeks which it applies to --MSalmon (talk) 12:41, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah that works for me, kinda wishing I hadn't made the edit now! ;-) – anemone projectors – 12:44, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone beat you to it, but I would still change the notes though MSalmon (talk) 12:45, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added to the notes, but feel free to reword if you wish. – anemone projectors – 13:54, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It's fine now, the table can stay as it is for those weeks--MSalmon (talk) 14:01, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I have removed Pav and Zoe's nomination of Danielle on Day 44 as it was a vote to evict NOT a nomination --MSalmon (talk) 21:50, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Intruder eviction
We should use the format that bb Australia 2013 did for their eviction of the newbies — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sufyanbgs (talk • contribs) 23:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds good :) 86.158.231.188 (talk) 11:16, 17 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I can't see what they did that's different to what's in this article now. Can you be more precise? – anemone projectors – 11:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, we don't call them "intruders" in the UK, so that word shouldn't be used. They're housemates. – anemone projectors – 20:42, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Kimberly exit - Day 44 or 45?
We know she left on Day 44 and it was official that she wouldn't be returning on Day 45. Does that mean her exit is 44 or 45? There is an edit war and people keep swapping between them both. In similar circumstances in BB11 Keeley left the house on Day 42 with an injury, but it wasn't announced until Day 45 that she wouldn't be returning. On that page it says her exit was Day 45. Therefore I think this should be the same for Kimberly. ThisIsDanny (talk) 23:57, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

For me, the distinction is that Kim was announced as safe and still a housemate by both Emma and Big Brother on day 44. It wasn't until the next day, day 45, that Kim made the decision to leave. A similar ruling was made for the BB11 page as you pointed out. In my mind, she wasn't officially gone until the following day.

tl;dr I agree with you. Tonbu (talk) 00:13, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree that it's day 45. That's the day they put the word "left" across her face. – anemone projectors – 08:45, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Inconsistencies in the noms table
Looking through the nominations table, there seem to be a number of inconsistencies that make the whole thing a lot more confusing than it should be - for example, Christopher's cell has the dark blue 'automatically nominated' colour for Week 3, whereas this isn't present on any of Chris' Week 2 nominations, the girls' Week 4 nominations, or the Power Alliance's Week 7 nominations. Also, as Toya (by Steven) and Ashleigh (by Steven, Ash and Pav) were picked to automatically face the public vote in Week 3 and 7 respectively, these should in theory adhere to the same rules. I think we need to be consistent in either having these colours, or not having them.

(and on a mostly unrelated note, I'm not sure this blue colour actually works, considering the same colour is used for 'banned', even when the housemate who has been banned from nominations does not face the public vote) - StigOfTheKrump (talk) 09:54, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The blue is also used for nominated and has been throughout all the other series as well. And Christopher's is blue not because he is automatically nominated, it's because he's already nominated before the other housemates nominate, therefore none of them can vote for him that week. So in Week 2, 4 and 7 there is no need for any blue. That would make it even more messy and confusing than it already is. I think we just need to accept the fact, that because of all these nomination twists and power trips, the table will look messy. ThisIsDanny (talk) 16:51, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Fair points, but then I also don't understand why the bold text is needed for the power housemates' nominations in the weeks where there are no other nominations. From what I understand, the bold is used when a housemate is automatically facing the public vote and therefore cannot be nominated (like Christopher, as you said), but there are were no standard nominations in the weeks where only the PHM(s) nominate - rendering this bold fairly pointless. The people nominated by the PHM(s) in those weeks are the only housemates nominated, after all, so shouldn't the only nominations in bold be Pauline's from week 1 and Toya & Matthew's from week 3? - StigOfTheKrump (talk) 15:17, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree there, I don't understand why they're bold when they're the only ones nominations. ThisIsDanny (talk) 15:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The table needs a key to explain what the colours and bold actually mean. – anemone projectors – 17:06, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The current Power Housemate
 * Immune
 * Already nominated before the time of nominations

How about something like this to go at the top of the nominations table for every series. I know some series aren't as confusing and obviously other series don't have Power Housemates, and some have other colours, but just to show what each colour means would make it easier for people to understand. Especially with so many notes like this series. ThisIsDanny (talk) 17:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Something like that, yes. The Power colour is explained in the notes. I wouldn't put the word "current" in. This is possibly the most confusing series for the nominations table so far. I miss normal, untwisted nominations! – anemone projectors – 18:46, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Big Brother final
Does anyone have a source for when the Big Brother final is? I swear Emma mentioned on BOTS last week it was 15th August, and on TVGuide.co.uk it says tonight's episode is 63 of 73, which would take it to 15th. Then I'm not sure what that would mean for the CBB14 launch since the last few years it's always been Monday final, Wednesday/Thursday launch. ThisIsDanny (talk) 20:47, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * According to Radio Times online the 15 August show is an eviction, so my guess would be the following week (maybe Tuesday 19 which would make it 76 days) --MSalmon (talk) 20:54, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually yes, just looked at bbspy ratings, according to that, it looks like the final is on Tuesday so you're right. ThisIsDanny (talk) 20:58, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Not 100% sure on exact date yet but hopefully will be confirmed soon --MSalmon (talk) 21:00, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Can someone update the cells for the final five I would do it but will mess it up probably. --MSalmon (talk) 21:09, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Done, I know 2nd and 3rd places look huge now but once they're filled in properly at the end they'll go back to normal size. ThisIsDanny (talk) 21:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Done again, can we be sure there will be no eviction mid week? Like Wednesday for example? ThisIsDanny (talk) 17:38, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Doubt it, unless it will be a vote to win after Friday and the one with least votes gets booted out mid-week --MSalmon (talk) 17:40, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Bold text
It's been mentioned before on here, but should we remove the bold text from Chris' week two nominations, Pav & Zoe's decision to evict Danielle and the Power Alliance's week seven nominations? It seems to have been agreed that the bold, like the blue 'nominated' font, is only to be used when other housemates nominate as well, but I thought I'd check in case somebody disagrees. - StigOfTheKrump (talk) 11:55, 7 August 2014 (UTC) Hi, I have removed Chris' week 2 noms and the Power Alliance's week 7 noms and replaced them with normal text. Bold text only should be used for a nomination when that nomination holds more power. e.g. Pauline's killer nomination for Jale, Toya and Matthew automatically putting Christopher up for the public vote despite normal nominations taking place (like Becki's nomination of Michelle in BB5), and Zoe and Pav evicting Danielle (just like Makosi evicting Kinga in BB6 and Aisleyne evicting Jonathan). :) 86.170.70.240 (talk) 12:54, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Helen and Ashleigh's eviction precentages
Hi, Emma said during the final that there was 1.2% between them but it seems people keep adding the actual %'s without a source to officially back it up. --MSalmon (talk) 11:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't see why that wouldn't be right though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ifdlkjedq (talk • contribs) 13:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * How do you know what the %'s were? --MSalmon (talk) 13:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Simple maths, Msalmon, would easily work that out. 86.170.70.240 (talk) 18:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * There are no sources to back this up though, so it is just guessing --MSalmon (talk) 19:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * But it really is just basic math, if just going off of two people you can know for sure what the %s were, unless you're taking the percentages like they were with BB1371.104.231.7 (talk) 06:13, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Even is it does work out there still needs to be sources otherwise it is just speculation--MSalmon (talk) 08:59, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It was told to us by Emma Willis, who is the presenter of the show. Surely that confirms it?86.170.70.240 (talk) 17:27, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * She only said that there was 1.2% in it not the exact percentages (unlike Pauline's when she revealed the exact percentage)--MSalmon (talk) 17:39, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * When there's only two people that literally is basic math. Knowing the difference there is only one possibility. Everyone else in this is right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.130.93.81 (talk) 23:26, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

She said there was 1.2% difference between the votes, how many votes were nullified or voided? Without a source to back it up all we can state is what they announced on TV, that there was 1.2% difference. GimliDotNet ( Speak to me, Stuff I've done )  12:20, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think WP:CALC applies, and therefore knowing that there's a 1.2% difference is enough to display the actual percentage of the final vote split between Helen and Ashleigh. – anemone projectors – 15:43, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Power Housemates in table
Hi, I was thinking this could be a different way to convey information:

Just so the Power Housemate nominations are shown to be separate from normal nominations. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 10:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No. ThisIsDanny (talk) 16:47, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The talk page is a place for discussion. Please refrain from rudely dismissing others suggestions without a reasonable explanation. Thanks. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 17:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * it's fine how it is, nothing needs to be changed, nothing needs to be discussed, That just looks a mess it's all cluttered, it's far more confusing nine of it even makes sense ThisIsDanny (talk) 18:44, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What are you finding so difficult to understand? The power housemate is on the top row, then the people they nominated is on the bottom row. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 11:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * People could easily think "Nominated" is the people against the public vote, Helen's final pass isn't a nomination, neither are any of the votes to save, nor Danielle to evict. It's quite clear from the table who the power housemates are as it's a different colour, plus use that to show who they nominated. We don't need a separate section it's pointless. ThisIsDanny (talk) 16:51, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no need for a separate section as all the information is in the table and it is fine as it is --MSalmon (talk) 20:34, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, it was just an idea — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 15:17, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand what you are saying but all the information is already in the table and notes so there is no need for a separate section. MSalmon (talk) 15:51, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

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