Talk:Big Brother (British TV series) series 8/Archive 5

Semi Protected
I had to semi-protect the article, as this afternoon there was a lot of vandalism, I had to spend 20 minutes clearing it up. Everyone happy with this? John Hayes 16:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the addition of the template. You're not an administrator and therefore cannot protect pages. Thanks, —  Xy 7  16:59, 07 June 2007
 * Hi John - don't worry, many users have made the same mistake :) If you need a page protecting, only an administrator can do it - to request, ask on WP:RFPP where you'll normally get a fast response.  Majorly  (talk | meet) 17:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? Wow, how come I'm able to then? well I guess I should request it then. John Hayes 23:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I didn't read that the first time I read the protection policy, my mistake. I have requested it now. It still surpises me that it's possible for non-admins to do that. John Hayes 23:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * By adding the template, you didn't protect it - the template just informs people that it is protected - admins have to use their tools that we don't have to do it :) -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 10:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes we do. Article semi-protected for 24 hours.  It is better to request semi protection if crap is being added, rather than continually removing it (potentially risking 3RR).  Neil   ╦  10:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand now. So should the template be added now, and if so am I allowed to do it? John Hayes 11:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, and yes. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 11:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. One question how does the time bit of that template work, can't see instructions for it John Hayes 12:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I've changed the template to the smaller icon that appears in the top right corner - I hope noone minds, but it reduced the amount of banners at the top of the article :) -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 12:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems sensible John Hayes 12:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I've had the page semi-protected again, this time for a week, as the vandalism, unsourced comments, and potential libel from IP users has continued. John Hayes 10:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well the protection has run out, so lets see how it goes. Only one, possible, incident of vandalism, though I think that was done in good faith. John Hayes 13:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to request it again, still quite a big of IP vandalism John Hayestalk 10:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Requested John Hayestalk 10:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Semi-protected for a week again. And...... relax. John Hayestalk 14:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And again. Did anyone request it this time? John Hayestalk 16:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And again, until the end of the series, replaced with small template. John Hayestalk 16:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Is a two-month protection really necessary? Anonymous users do provide useful information and updates in this article, even if some of them do go a bit mad sometimes. —  Xy 7  18:28, 03 July 2007
 * Probably not, the admin seems to have taken it upon himself since he first did it. I certainly didn't request it. I don't really mind either way, though it has become a bit dead round here recently. John Hayestalk 18:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Jonathan
Although he walked on Day 35 he still nominated on Day 34, I can't recall anyone walking the day after nomination before, but his choices (I will guess Nicky and Tracey) may still count. We will see on tonight's program, but if so the table will have to be adjusted. Darrenhusted 11:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah i was wondering about that. Though if he voted for Charley I hope they keep them! But I think the table should show his nominations, but with a note (and strking them through) saying that didn't count (if that becomes the case). But you're right we'll find out tonight what happens. They might mention it on BBLB too. --81.178.69.196 11:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, based on how we have previously handled nominations which didn't count (see Billi and Charley), we should list them, but strike them through if they are not counted. If they are counted we should list them as normal. John Hayestalk 12:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that the last time this happened was with Sandy in BB3, he nominated then walked two days later, his ovtes still counted, although the announcement had been made, this time the announcment hasn't been made. All we can do is watch. Darrenhusted 12:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Table column: Nomination Twist
The first two listings in this table (Notes 1+2) are nomination twists... But i don't see how the third is? If Jonathan's nominations weren't counted, and this isn't a nomination twist, why are not counting Charley's and Billi's votes a nomination twist? Maybe there could be another column listed in the table? Though it should be noted why the votes were not counted. --85.210.161.91 21:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't know if Jonathan's nominations count or not. On the subject of Charley and Billi's votes, there is a discussion at the Big Brother WikiProject on this subject, that nomination twist is not the best term for this. Feel free to comment on that discussion. John Hayestalk 16:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Subsections in House section
I would like to add some subsections to the House section, to improve it. Currently it's a bit "and this room... and this room... and this room". I think it would be improved by having subsections for various rooms. For example one for diary room, ones for the secret rooms etc. Obviously there wouldn't be any point having a subsection for each piece of info. What do you think? John Hayestalk 16:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have made a few changes now, seperated into Main Area (isn't enough content for bedroom by itself), Garden, Diary Room, Hidden Room and Rumoured Areas.

Jonathan Left?
On the Official Website it doesnt Say Walked it says Left, Should we change it on wikipedia or keep it like we kep Emily Ejected whereas on the official website it says Removed
 * See the discussion about this on the Big Brother Wikiproject. John Hayestalk 22:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Big Twist
The Insider on Big Brother's Little Brother has said that tonight, there will be a big twist involving Australia. Fugio 18:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, an actress >=) FiringRange 21:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The Room of Nicky
How do we know this was actually in the hidden room on the other side of the diary room and not just the lobby area again? &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 19:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

It was just the lobby room.FiringRange 20:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's what I thought. It needs to be removed from the "Hidden Room" section if that is the case. Also the lobby needs to be added and the bathroom shouldn't be in the diary room section. I'd fix it now myself but Big Brother's about to start ;) &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 20:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

There was a map showing the house and some of the secret rooms, if you want I can put it on this discussion article? EDIT: Found 'em. http://insidebigbrother.net/bb/images/stuff/housepics1.jpg http://insidebigbrother.net/bb/images/stuff/housepics2.jpg

Those pictures aren't right, the second on shows the entrance going straight in to the lounge when we all know it goes through the reception area, which is mis-labelled as a secret room. Darrenhusted 21:32, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

But there is a second secret "lobby" area which is labelled picture 4. FiringRange 21:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that's a second secret lobby, it's just the lobby but draw in the wrong place. Darrenhusted 21:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The pictures are wrong. Not only is the lobby wrong but the main bathroom is as well, it's at the wrong end of the bedroom and should have a corridor. Also there's a bathroom in top left of the picture that shouldn't be there and there seems to be another room behind it... surely that's where the garden should be! &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 00:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok then, thanks =) Edit : Note, I don't think the lobby area (4) looks anything like the entrance lobby area. It looks a bit small to house double doors, especially with a mirror where the double doors would be. FiringRange 10:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Regardless these pictures do not help. Darrenhusted 10:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh that's ok then =) FiringRange 21:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Paulene
so how can we fit her in the article. Can't add her as a housemate yet. John Hayestalk 21:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Weekly summary, her appearance on tonight's show, then her entrance on Sunday. Darrenhusted 21:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I've put her under "Housemates" in the paragraph - and linked to the actress's article -Thaila Zucchi. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 21:32, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, when she does enter the house and gets her own section, shall we call it Thaila "Pauline" Zucchi? I think that's the best way to put it, as Pauline is a fictional character... -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 22:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that when fake week's over though, she won't still be known as Pauline.

i Say just put her real name which is Thaila


 * I don't think she should be added to any of the tables or housemates lists becuase she is not eligible for the prize, so any refernces should be resricted to the weekly summary and tasks. Darrenhusted 20:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally disagree. In the article for Big Brother 2003, Jon Tickle's re-entry is listed in the housemate table (top right), even though he wasn't eligible to win the second time round. So I think Thaila should be included (under the name "Thaila", as this is what Big Brother refers to her as when in the Diary Room). Just my thoughts :) Thanks, —  Xy 7  18:45, 09 July 2007
 * He started as a housemate, as did Nikki last year, this person is an actor and will not nominate, be nominated or win the prize, she is not a housemate, just an actor. Darrenhusted 19:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think she should stay in the lists for the moment, for all we know she will stay in and be able to be nominated, evicted etc. John Hayestalk 19:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is true. But also remember, Nikki was eligible to win the second time round as well. —  Xy 7  21:55, 09 July 2007
 * Forgot about Nikki, hard to I know, but if she is an actor and part of a task how could she end up staying and win the prize? Darrenhusted 13:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Because in the end Big Brother can make up the rules as they go along. If they really wanted to they could, for arguments sake, remove everyone from the house today, and fill it with new people. So we risk predicting the future if we assume that she cannot stay and/or win the prize. John Hayestalk 13:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I say she should be put on there under "Temporary". Ideas? Dalejenkins 12:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that she is gone, I am undecided. Technically she was a housemate, on the basis that she lived in the house. But as she never nominated, or was nominated she probably can be left out. John Hayestalk 12:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Restrict her to the weekly summary and task list as she was a task. Darrenhusted 13:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah sounds good enough to me. John Hayestalk 13:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

She's currently in the infobox and the housemates table, but not the nominations table. The problem I can see at the moment is what colour to give her in the infobox? She's currently classed as ejected, which I don't think is accurate as she didn't break any rules. She didn't walk and evicted also doesn't seem right. What has been done over the last few days is to give her an invalid status so that her row appears white instead of grey, but it's best to be careful about adding too many extra colours so that the infobox doesn't look too cluttered. Some other options might be the ones suggested above, such as taking her out of the housemates section and/or infobox as she wasn't a proper housemate. Tra (Talk) 12:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally I'd class her as evicted.Babygurl1853 02:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Since no-one else has commented, I'll change it to evicted. Tra (Talk) 18:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think she should be left out the info box but kept in for everything else etc. The Official Channel 4 website dont have her pic scrolling any more. .Andybigbro2 10:05 15 July 2007(UTC)


 * I have taken her off of the Info Box as no one has replied. If want her to be added then do so, Just dont see how she should be in the Info Box if In BB4 Gaeteano (The Guest from Big Brother Africa isnt in the Big Brother 4 info box) Please add her back if i am in the wrong! .Andybigbro2 23:20 16 July 2007(UTC)

Credits
Should it be mentioned that Thaila's name appears in the show's closing credits? &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 22:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see why it'd be relevant, so id say no.Babygurl1853 13:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Jonathan in Priory
I will remove the info on Jonathan being in the Priory, as what he does after Big Brother, especially as there were no stories of him using coke or call girls in the house, is not relevant to this article. If he is notable enough for his own article (which he possibly is as a millionaire businessman) then it could go in there. John Hayestalk 14:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thaila - Swindon or Isleworth?!
Thaila Zucchi and the programme says she's from Swindon, but this page has Isleworth. WHere did the latter come from? Nick Cooper 15:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thaila was born in Swindon, grew up in West London and is now based in Isleworth. Stephen Innes 22:33 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thalia Out?
Can anyone confirm this and provide a source. I haven't heard about this. John Hayestalk 22:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It has been self-reverted. John Hayestalk 22:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I found this. Tra (Talk) 00:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Week 5
Week 5 is incomplete, there were some punishments including the weight of responsibility, and other tasks that I can't remember right now... oh yeah the eviction banners task and possibly another one. Also Brian's had a few mini-tasks in week 5 and 6. And the podcast is missing from week 5. I'd add them myself but I have to sleep instead. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 23:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there any site other than the official one that has a list of the tasks/punishments? Babygurl1853 02:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Digital Spy and The Sun cover this sort of thing fairly well, although it won't hurt to use the official site as well for some of the sources. Tra (Talk) 03:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought we should avoid using Channel 4 as a source? John Hayestalk 09:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Reliable_sources/examples says that this type of source should be treated with caution, since they might (and do) show a bias towards themselves. Therefore, it's probably best to use the website mainly for non-contentious information, or if a certain piece of information isn't adequately covered by other sources. Tra (Talk) 14:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Charley exit?
Should Charley's fake exit be mentioned in the list of exits for Week 5? She did leave the house after all.Darrenhusted 20:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

noms gerry and nicky
where's the proof that gerry and nicky are up for eviction?  godgoddingham  333 18:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Insider on the Digital Spy forums (happens every week). BBLB just confirmed them officially. Squidward2602 18:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think nomination results should be added until they're officially confirmed. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 20:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The voting lines are open, that's about as confirmed as it gets. Darrenhusted 20:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes now it's confirmed, but this info always seems to arrive half a day before it is announced. Ideally we shouldn't add it, until it is from a reliable, verified, source. To be fair I don't think it's a major issue though John Hayestalk 22:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * By officially confirmed, I mean shown on BBLB. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 22:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

noms
why did noms this week take place on sunday instead of monday?  godgoddingham  333 20:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any particular reason, unless perhaps it's a timing issue e.g. to allow tasks on Monday to take place uninterrupted. I don't think it needs to be mentioned as a nominations twist, as it doesn't really deviate from the format of the nominations in any way. Tra (Talk) 22:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I found it odd considering they didn't want to make a profit this year. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 23:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that it is something to do with big brothers birthday

The Room of Nicky
Just to confirm, as it's caused some controversy/confusion on here, that the room of Nicky was the hidden room, not the vestibule, as the vestibule doesn't have a plasma screen, which the room did. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 22:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's the Australia/Happy/Rehearsal room. Darrenhusted 22:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I meant. The article makes it seem that Pauline's room was a diffeerent room to the Nicky/Happy/Practice rooms though... Can't be arsed to fix it now though. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 22:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Pauline's room was accessible via the storeroom, not on the other side of the diary room. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 23:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It had a door that looked as if it went into the diary room though. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 23:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Pauline's room looked a lot bigger though. Are you sure they're all the same room? &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 23:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The doors run from the diary room (Brian came through that way) and the storeroom. There was a divider in to block it from the storeroom when Nicky went in, and when Billi and Charley were in there. They are the same room. Darrenhusted 23:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Where are you getting this information from? &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 23:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Watching the program, I thought this was obvious, when they opened the door from the store room you could see throught to the diary room door, and when the room was NICKY/Happy room the only entrance was from the diary room, with the room having a wall with a two-way mirror roughly halfway through. I don't have a map but they have shown it from enough angles now. Darrenhusted 23:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They rarely show the inside of the storeroom. Anyway I don't believe the Happy room, Room of Nicky and Pauline's room were all the same room. Show me an official source and I'll believe it. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 00:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Surely the party room is the same as Pauline's room and the Practice/Happy rooms are the room they walked through to get there. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 20:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If this is any help - on BBLB before there was a clip of Thaila in the diary room, being told that Dermot will be stopping by her bedroom for an interview. Big Brother then said she could leave through the door to the left. Squidward2602 14:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)