Talk:Big Brother 10 (American season)

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 * HouseGuest
 * House (capitalised)
 * Day 25 (capitalised and cardinal, not ordinal, number)
 * HoH, Head of Household
 * PoV, Power of Veto
 * 5 of 6 votes to evict
 * HG, houseguest, Houseguest
 * house
 * day 25
 * HOH, hoh
 * POV, pov, veto (except when used as a verb)
 * 5 to evict
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Source information
Before posting information make sure it is sourced. Un-scourced information may be removed.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  22:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

NO Applications
They sad Casting was to being on February 25, 2008 but there is no link ot applications on the Cbs site or through any links —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.154.189.199 (talk) 16:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This article was created prior to when it should. Information here is sourced accordingly, Robyn Kass said on House Calls (video available for reference) that casting was to begin for Big Brother 10 on the 25th of February. It is up to CBS to post the links, information, etc.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  10:51, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The CBS site has released the application and it is now up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.115.108.120 (talk) 18:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

BOOTS!
SUMMER OF SECRETS! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.76.5 (talk) 20:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Fans vs Favorites possibility. Rumor is they are asking everyone at all casting calls who favorite houseguests are —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.115.108.120 (talk) 13:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Co-Executive Producers
The co-executive producers for Big Brother 10 are Allison Grodner and Don Wollman. Rich Meehan will not be returning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.136.128.113 (talk) 04:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Until the show launches or a new CBS Press Release says otherwise for now it will remain that Allison Grodner and Rich Meehan are the executive producers as per the press release we have in the references.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  05:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Notice about the new C-Class quality classification

 * Copied to Big Brother Australia 2008, Big Brother 10 (U.S.), Big Brother 2008 (UK), and Secret Story 2008 (France).

I was unaware that we needed to have a discussion about the new C-Class classification on the quality scale. ((Other WikiProject responses) So my question is should we (WP:Big Brother) adopt this new classification? I think so since now B-Class has had its requirements tightened and I had demote 11 former B-Class articles to C-Class due to the new change. Also this means that some of the Start/Stub articles could move up to C-Class classification as well. Since I kinda implimented this without a proper discussion you can see which articles I had to demote from B-Class and why and from my understanding articles that moved up to C-Class. So after explaining my mistake, my question is should we continue with C-Class or just keep A-Class, FA-Class, B-Class, Start-Class, and Stub-Class? If you would like to discuss this please visit Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  00:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Can we get rid of Nomination for deletion
Can we get rid of the Nomination for deletion at the top of this page? It appears that after the discussion the page was deleted, only to be recreated 2008-02-26. I don't think it applies now!!! The show is REAL not rumour!!! CubBC (talk) 13:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope that is just a history of the page.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  15:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Official Live Feed Site
The official live feed website is http://www.real.com/bigbrother

Any other websites, including watchbigbrother.com are affiliate websites. Please keep them off the wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Candoattitude (talk • contribs) 22:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Unaired Information
When adding information that has not yet been aired on the regular episodes of Big Brother, please have consideration to those editors who have Big Brother 10 on their Watchlist but don't want to know the spoilers and refrain from posting the unaired information in the actual Edit summary of your edits. An example of this could be "nominations have been verified on feeds; edited information accordingly" rather than "edited that x and y have been nominated." Thanks for everyone's consideration. - zachinthebox (Talk) 19:21, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Nominations
Brin wasn't nominated, Jessie was. 142.68.195.149 (talk) 19:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)I don't have an account
 * Jerry used the Power of Veto to replace Jessie with Brian. Shapiros10  contact me My work  20:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where you got your information, but clearly it isn't reliable and probably shouldn't be used to update the article again. - zachinthebox (Talk) 02:14, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Who are you talking to, Zach? Shapiros10  contact me My work  12:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My comment was in regards to your statement that "Jerry used the Power of Veto..." because, after watching the TV episode, Jerry did not, in fact, use the Power of Veto at all due to the fact that he didn't even win it. - zachinthebox (Talk) 19:41, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This comment was made when people thought Jerry won the veto. I was just saying something from the article.  Forgive and forget?  Shapiros10  contact me My work  12:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me :) - zachinthebox (Talk) 15:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Veto first week
How did people come to the conclusion that Jerry had won the POV? Most of the fansites reported that Jerry had won too, but Jessie was named the winner on the show. Did anyone watch the feeds/does anyone know why we initially assumed Jerry won? Rorry1 (talk) 04:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The feeds zoomed in and showed us Jerry's picture next to the veto holder on the memory wall. In previous seasons the PoV winner's picture was next to it. Infuriated-Z (talk) ( formerly Atlantics88 ) 06:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is EXACTLY why LIVE FEEDS should NOT be considered a good source - ONLY the final episode. Things can chance between live feeds and episodes, and misinformation can get shared like THIS! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.186.72.140 (talk) 15:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Correction, things did not change between the feeds and the show. The competition was blocked out on the feeds and but when it was shown on TV Jessie was the winner, also the competition was held prior to the start of the feeds.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  23:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There was nothing wrong with the live feeds, or what they showed the audience. They showed the POV hanging in it's normal space on the picture wall.  That spot just happens to be next to Jerry's picture.  The winner of the POV would have it hanging under their picture, not next to it. Many watchers and fan sites jumped-the-gun on reporting that Jerry won, because they were not familiar with the layout of the picture wall.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.145.220.153 (talk) 12:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, don't they hang it around the picture of the person who won? i.e., if the person's memory wall picture was a person's neck, the PoV would look like a necklace on the person. - Spyke1077 (talk) 05:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the veto is over yet because it is still hanging on the memory wall, and it has not been confirmed that Jerry won the veto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.219.21.67 (talk) 16:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

posting
I don't think that the big broher 10 should be updated until the events have happen on CBS--M42380 (talk) 03:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh. We've been over this before.  The live feeds are a reliable source.  Shapiros10  contact me My work  12:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * most people don't get to watch the live feeds. Most people watch it on CBS and that why i think that we should not post it before hand. --M42380 (talk) 00:12, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're worried about being spoiled, don't visit the page. Shapiros10  contact meMy work 00:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're going to keep posting the live feeds, make up a way to warn people who visit the page before they see the spoilers.--Maladeisia
 * I am just saying because it not always going to be right because someone put that Jerry won the Veto but he did not win it at all.--M42380 (talk) 21:05, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Being wrong one time isn't reason to pull the plug on real time updating. - Spyke1077 (talk) 05:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not saying pull the plug on it. All i am saying is to wait on until the showng on CbS.--M42380 (talk) 19:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * which would mean pulling the plug on real time updates, a.k.a. updating with the live feeds - Spyke1077 (talk) 00:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again, people are calling for a VERIFIABLE SOURCE, one that is verifiable under the rules of WIKIPEDIA, and the rabid fans of this page are denying it. You don't own this page, its a consensus. I vote that live feeds are NOT verifiable. Already there has been a mess up this year. How much more misinformation do you plan to post? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.186.72.140 (talk) 04:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As long as the feeds have a reliable source then they are fine, last year it was decided that Big Brother: After Dark can be used as a reliable source for the feeds.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  15:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Although Jokers Updates is a "fansite" I think it is a reliable source for "breaking" news on house events. In ten seasons, they have been wrong one time; they mistakenly showed Keesha winning a veto competition early this season. With a track record like theirs, I think it can be considered verified. And the talk about it being "spoiled" if you dont want something spoiled, you don't need to be on the Wikipedia site. If the show aired daily, then I would say "wait for the show," but the veto is a few DAYS before the actual show. Bigbrother17 (talk) 23:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It was just asking to postpone updates until the show aired.--M42380 (talk) 00:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

A consensus this subject was reached during a past season of Big Brother, the feeds are acceptable as long as they are backed by a proper source. Fansites such as Joker's Update, Reality BBQ, etc are not acceptable sources but the spin-off show Big Brother: After Dark and House Calls: The Big Brother Talk Show are acceptable sources. Just because Big Brother airs on CBS three times a week it airs live nightly on Showtime 2 and it was decided that the portion of the feeds used during Big Brother: After Dark are acceptable references. Also postponing updates until the CBS show airs is technically the same thing as saying Wikipedia is spoiler free.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  04:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

List of Big Brother 10 HouseGuests (U.S.) semi-protected
I had List of Big Brother 10 HouseGuests (U.S.) semi-protected due to spammers. The page will have the protection expire on the 25th. The spamming IP has been blocked as well. If this continues after the protected expires please re-submit the page for protection.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  16:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

What Day is it?
There should definitely be a little box at the top of the article displaying what day it currently is in the Big Brother house. For example: at the top of the article: ________ |       |                                              | DAY 24 | |________| Like that, but a nice template or box or something. This is a live show. In the article, you name all of these events that happen on a certain day number, and it gives no idea of when that was or will be. Rj1020 (talk) 00:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * We are an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Someone tried the date thing on Big Brother 2008 (UK) but a consensus was reached that it wasn't needed.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  19:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

How would a day counter make this a fansite? Rj1020 (talk) 21:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

AMERICA'S PLAYER 2.0
Check it out: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/big_brother/polls/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.85.204 (talk) 16:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Information regarding America's Player probably won't be added until Thursday when the next AP is revealed and if that HouseGuest choses to accept the task or not.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  19:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Ambiguous pronoun
April's comments about Libra's gameplay (or perceived lack thereof) hurt her feelings, which led to Keesha and Libra discussing April's comments downstairs. Whose feelings were hurt? Please clarify. Thanks. Ed (talk) 16:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it was Libra's feelings that were hurt. Fixed. Mike H. Fierce! 19:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

semi-protection time?
I am wondering if it is time again to place this article back under semi-protection? The on-going vandalism by anons is getting very frequent and not all of it is being reversed in a very timely manner. The article is a busy one to start with, dealing with the extra traffic of vandalism is a bit much. I have added the request to the WP:RFP.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 01:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Semi-protection applied; expires Aug 31st.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 11:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

With the return of the anon editors making changes to the chart and voting history, have requested semi-protection be returned until after the show on sept 16th.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 23:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Voting History Proposal
Recently, I had noticed that on other Big Brother "Nominations Tables" or "Voting History Tables" that any time one Housemate (or in BB9 USA's case a pair of HouseGuests) controls the sole power to evict any other person (or pair) they are currently sharing the house with (or part of House in some of the British ones) the evicted box for the Housemate they evict is marked with "So and so's choice to evict". I think that this should be included for all of the BB2-BB10 Voting History Tables for the Final 3 since the last HoH held the sole power to evict any other HouseGuest. Thoughts on the idea? T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 00:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I never really noticed that before but anytime one housemate has the sole power to evict it should be marked with "So and so's choice to evict".  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  19:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it didn't really strike me until a few days ago, but I think that for the Final 3 scenarios we should change them over. I boldly did it a few days ago, but they were quickly reverted. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 00:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Should we do the same for Final 4? Same thing applies, only one person votes. 1 of 1 vote is kinda obvious in my opinion. Someone's not going to get evicted with 0 votes.64.252.115.5 (talk) 02:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion
Can the jurors maybe have a separate color on the list of contestants to distinguish them from the regular evictees? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.122.232.93 (talk) 18:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'm against it, but it's possible that I could be convinced to have them distinguished with another color during the final week. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 00:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Memphis's car.
Think that the whole thing with BB not really owning the car that Memphis won, and that someone else loaned it to BB, should be added to the controversy section? Seth71 (talk) 20:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's such a big deal per say. That's just my opinion but...Stjimmy61892 (talk) 21:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Dan's article

 * When will Dan's article be created? Shapiros10  contact me My work  20:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Ratings
There are the two or three sections that need to be updated in the RATINGS section. Are they going to get updated are what? I actually the two below the no show for the finale section. 75.89.232.74 (talk) 23:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Renegades Official Site
Hello, just pointing out that the BB10 winners, Dan and Memphis, now have their own website. I added this to External Links but was misinterpreted as spam. A WHOIS search confirms this site is owned by Dan Gheesling. Dan and Memphis Official Renegade Site Rugz (talk) 18:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This article is about the show, not about the individual participants -- a minor hair-spliting some might say, but it is why we have a "list of particpants" article and a winner article. This link, regardless of who owns it, is a selling link and at a minimum does not belong here at the BB10 article.  Perhaps it would be fine on Dan's page (I am not a fan of it, but I can see the argument for it there) -- it is something he is doing, but it should be discussed in the article, not just added as a link in the bottom section.  This discussion in the article is what would move the link from spam into encyclopedic content.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 21:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This link, on closer examination, is not soley a "selling link" as you have stated. It does include an artist contest which Dan and Memphis are holding with their fans, in addition to a link to their store - a separate site. While we can all agree the site is very badly created, it is still content which is designed for fans of Big Brother 10, created and owned by the winners of Big Brother 10, which was actually mentioned on Showtime and HouseCalls.  Their team "Renegades" was a part of the major content of the show's plot, and integral in their victory and thus is a relevant link - and I would argue is MORE relevant than the link to the Livejournal Update link, or the Global Shows link.  (For the record I have no connection to the website or any financial interest, I just believe it should be listed.)  Rugz (talk) 23:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Error in the ratings section
After watching the recent edit activity in the ratings section, I thought it would be best to open a discussion here. I am commenting out the ratings section due to apparent factual inaccuracies. In particular, the current revision states that "The premiere episode which aired Sunday July 13, 2008 scored 6.29 million viewers (4.2/8 viewing audience), up 4% from Big Brother 8's Sunday premiere."

This is a direct contradiction of this article. Until a reliable source is given for this information, I do not think we can assume there are not more errors. Plastikspork (talk) 20:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That is a rounded figure, see here for the actual figure released by Nelson and CBS.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  21:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am refering to the statement that it was 'series low'. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 21:08, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The first episode of Big Brother 10 aired on a Sunday, the article says it is the lowest rated season premiere for the show which is true. Big Brother 8's season premiere was on Thursday and had 7.4 million viewers. CBS' press release said the debut episode of Big Brother 10 improved over the first Sunday episode of Big Brother 8.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  21:30, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems confusing. I will go with what the source says. Plastikspork (talk) 21:54, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Can we place the ratings back in the article please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Corrections please!
I edited the "Weekly summary" table and it looked terrible. Please make some edits so it looks cleaner.

Lamp301 (talk) 06:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

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