Talk:Big Brother 11 (American season)/Archive 2

Coup d'Etat in the Voting Table
Ok. In the past, if the Coup d'Etat was used, it was explained that neither the HoH or Coup d'Etat holder could vote (unless there was a tie, the Coup holder would break it). So, I'm guessing that for the table, if the Coup d'Etat is used, we'll give Jeff the Brown Square that was used for "Power Couple" in Season 9 but put "Coup d'Etat Winner" in it or something like that? Also, I think there'd need to be a new bar of "post Coup d'Etat" nominations at the top part. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 20:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I made a mock voting table in my sandbox. And keep in mind, I made up the rest of the week to portray the look of the table at the end of the week. I think that is a good way to go. Any suggestions? (Again, I made up those results) – túrian  patois  21:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I find the mock table very agreeable. I'd maybe put "Winner" or "Holder" after Coup d'Etat though. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 21:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think "Winner" might be good, but I think it is self-explanatory without anything extra. It doesn't mean much to me though, haha. I guess we will use this style unless anyone objects by Thursday. – túrian  patois  21:48, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * IIRC, Julie said that the only ones that can't go up is the HOH, POV, and the owner of the Coup d'Etat. So, IF Jeff were to use it this week, the ones that are safe is Chima (HOH), Kevin (POV), and Jeff (Coup Owner) (& by-proxy Jordan is safe because it's unlikely Jeff would put up Jordan); that leaves Jessie, Lydia, Natalie, Michele, and Russel that can be put up by Jeff.98.163.120.145 (talk) 22:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, and if there were a tie (however, with 5 votes it is impossible), Jeff would tie-break. – túrian  patois  22:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Instead of an additional bar just for one twist (because it is unlikely the power will resurface this summer), lets try another way. In my sandbox I have Week 5 split into two rounds. The color scheme is borrowed from the UK version when Big Brother canceled an eviction or discounts nominations. What do you think of this version? I think it gives a better representation of what went on during the week.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  00:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I guess that is more effective/explanatory. We should use that just to document it more clearly if a completely novice person on the subject were to read it. Good work. – túrian  patois  00:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the Coup d'Etat in the hoh column match the one in Jeffs voting column? -Munch60477 11:55, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw a conflict in the table. The color background for the Coup d'État in the voting table (light brown) doesn't match the note section below it (light purple). Which color is the correct one? --EPMediaGeek (talk) 04:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Brown is, and I fixed it. Thanks! – túrian  patois  04:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Chima
There is some kind of circulating news going around that Chima quit. Is it true? If so, it should go up on the article. 24.88.86.28 (talk) 13:02, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

It's True,Production had a meeting and they told Chima that she had to pay for the Mic she destroyed and she went off.Here's what supposely happen (We will all find out all on Tuesday.)

http://www.yakkityyaks.com/the-chima-happenings-rumor/1356/

Forrestdfuller (talk 13:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

In regards to this and the way last round was setup - I apologize for tampering with the graph, I was unaware that there was a discussion form here. In my opinion to keep it as eye-friendly as possible, the best way to go about this would be to make another bar for the post-coup nominations. I think both alternatives are about equally as clear to someone who is a complete newbie. I actually think taking the other route would be more newb-friendly, as a newb I would have nearly no idea what "void nominations" means. I don't think it is really right to put Jeff in the HoH box even with a note underneath as he did not win HoH. As for the Chima situation, I think her nomination should just be crossed out in the top rather then keeping her nomination box and putting that she walked. I'm having issues with my sandbox but here's an outline of my thoughts done using excel:

http://i25.tinypic.com/o881lx.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by DoctorThrills (talk • contribs) 13:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I got no problem with putting Chima's name and crossing it out.But I don't think the Double Evection will happen now.Some other rumors have been said as well. Forrestdfuller (talk 13:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Has Chima walked or been removed because it says two different things in the article? MSalmon (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * She Quit (which is there term for walked) Forrestdfuller (talk 13:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it needs to say that in the summary, and please provide a reliable source MSalmon (talk) 13:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I am going to revert all of the stuff about Chima until CBS or Endemol have officially confirmed it MSalmon (talk) 13:51, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well those are from feed sites and Spoilers have been put on here. Forrestdfuller (talk 13:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have reverted it all back and spoliers are not allowed on Wikipedia MSalmon (talk) 13:54, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Then why is Chima-Natalie on the Nominations list? CBS aint going to tell you until Tuesday and Spoilers are allowed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler <- See Forrestdfuller talk13:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, stop bringing up the spoilers idea, WP has always allowed spoilers. And we need to keep her ask Walked until sources or the show say she was actually evicted. The sources say as of now that she has walked. – túrian  patois  17:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Chima
Should it really say "walked" and not "expelled"? According to the HGs, Chima quit. But according to the producers, Chima was booted by the producers, see this press release: http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/cbs_entertainment/release?id=22496

Juppiter (talk) 20:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, we were waiting for something like that. Thanks. – túrian  patois  20:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe that it should say expelled for now; according to the producers, she was kicked out for not abiding with the rules. amberdawson (talk) 21:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This is in a way similar to Dawn's departure in BBUK where she received a message from her family about an emergancy and for her to come home but she was caught by Big Brother for telling housemastes it was code in the event she was being negatively viewed by the public. She said she quit (walked) but Big Brother (producers) said she was removed from the house for using code.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  05:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Chima wrote a letter stating she quit from the show...read it on bigbrothergossip.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris4z01 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Michele no longer HOH
I've been watching the feeds and Michele is no longer HoH. Her reign is over and they are doing a new Head of Household competition today, Day 42 to crown a new HoH. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jphil126 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, her rein as HOH is officially over. Everybody, except Michele, are able to compete in today's HOH Comp. If you're wondering why Michele is no longer the HOH, why Natalie is off the block, and they're playing for a new HOH, the answer is simple...after Chima got evicted/quit last night, BB decided to start the week over & the double eviction will not be taking place as originally planned. amberdawson (talk) 21:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Therefore, a new HOH is going to be held on the same week: WEEK 6. Someone please change the table on the Big Brother 11 page. Also, no voting will be cast upon when Michele had her reign. (therefore, no veto competition as well) amberdawson (talk) 21:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Michelle won HOH on day 40, on day 42 a new HOH will be announced please fix the chart accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I changed the second one to Day 43, but the first one should still be day 41, since the week begins the day after the HoH competition (see previous seasons for details). – túrian  patois  21:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

"Michele was dethroned as the HoH; as a result, another HoH competition was held on Day 42.[32]" - Just to clarify, Michele's was NOT dethroned as the HOH. It is more like her reign as HoH is over. Please change that. Thanks. amberdawson (talk) 21:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Holy crap, what a day in the Big Brother house. Do we have it confirmed anywhere that this week is definitely NOT a double elimination? I'd agree and assume it isn't, but we still should find proof somewhere. Dayewalker (talk) 21:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Among the bounty of sources, yes, there won't be a double eviction. – túrian  patois  21:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Ejected should be Expelled
During Big Brother 2 and Big Brother 4 the correct USA term is expelled. Ejected is the UK term form Housemates that are removed by Big Brother. This should be changed to expelled to match past articles.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  22:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Expelled" sounds a lot more correct to me than "Ejected" plus as you said it'd be consistent with Justin and Scott that way. 72.224.76.224 (talk) 22:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ejected is the proper term, not Expelled as Ejected is used on both UK and USA Big Brother articles MSalmon (talk) 22:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Big Brother 2 (US) and Big Brother 4 (US) have had "Expelled" for years, so I don't really get what you're saying here. I'm not gonna change it until there's consensus, but I think it should be changed to "Expelled." 72.224.76.224 (talk) 22:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you go back to the archives sites of Big Brother 2 & Big Brother 4, the production team does use the term "Expelled", also when Justin was removed Julie used the phrase "Expelled". Therefor "Expelled" should be used in USA articles as it is the proper term used by production.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  22:33, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't know that the term is different for UK and USA BB articles MSalmon (talk) 22:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's why before you talk about similarities between seperate articles, you have to check first to make sure you're correct before speaking.Stjimmy61892 (talk) 22:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Gray or White for No eviction?
Should the no eviction color be gray or white in the voting table? MSalmon (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Gray, for these reasons:
 * White bleeds out into the rest of the table so the info doesn't stand out like the other red eviction spaces.
 * The boxes in the center section are gray, so it looks better for consistency.
 * Season 2 has had it for a long time and it has worked ever since.
 * Also, the No voting does not need to be broken, aka br tags. Just because there are two words does not make it okay to do so. It looks sloppy in that manner (and again, Season 2 had them on one line). Keep in mind Nominated takes up more space than No voting. – túrian  patois  22:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't really mind what you use, I just thought I would start a disscussion about it MSalmon (talk) 22:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * And for those that don't believe me:
 * Nominated
 * Household
 * No voting
 * They all have the same amount of characters but the first two take up more space. There is no reason to break it. – túrian  patois  22:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * For formatting and standardization. The project page describes what should be placed in a cell and what color. In worldwide versions they typically don't vote they nominate so the cell typically says No nominations, since the USA version votes the cell should be displayed as No voting to keep in line with format standardization. Also the UK set the standard for white as No Eviction and other similar events/twists. And the USA articles set the standard for the HoH color, editors of other articles did discuss a seperate HoH color for those articles but where the USA was using a certain color those articles had to use the color established by the USA articles.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  22:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * But when the breaking looks awful, then it is okay to change. That is a minor aesthetic thing. But the white needs to be changed on all of the BB articles then, per my first two reasons above. If there is no gray in the central part, then it can remain white (as in the BBUK versions); but since we use the gray, it needs to be gray in the bottom section. It looks better and more encyclopedic. – túrian  patois  23:02, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A white cell in a HouseGuest row indicates that they weren't in the House at that time and they joined the show in progress. See Big Brother 2002 (UK) and Big Brother 5 (U.S.)  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  23:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

/=> I am talking about the columns, my bad. It uses gray all the way down it... then BOOM! It turns to white? It looks awful and amateurish. Either make them all white or all gray (preferable gray), but not both. – túrian  patois  23:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

More Chima
Apparently, she sent an email to Examiner.com claiming that she did in fact walk, and that the producers are lying about the expulsion. I'm not saying that it should be changed back yet, but only that it is something to continue to keep an eye on: http : // www.examiner. com / x-14612-Big-Brother-Examiner~y2009m8d15-Big-Brother-11-Exclusive-chat-with-Chima-Simone 76.166.19.181 (talk) 05:53, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * For now we should go with the official CBS explanation regarding her exit which is the producers booted her out. I am sure that 75% of this will be revealed either Sunday or Tuesday. Also like I mentioned earlier this is similar to when Dawn in BB7 UK was ejected. She received a message from home about an urgent personal matter but it was really code from her family to come home she was being badly viewed by the media. She had asked BB to leave various times but Big Brother didn't remove her until BB found out she had a code set up with her family.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  10:20, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Although it is possible that both sources are diluting the events that happened, I am more inclined to believe the stance of the producers, as I saw the nonsense come out of Chima's mouth. Her story doesn't fly as of now, perhaps later though. – túrian  patois  18:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with including part of Chima's statement as a counterpoint to CBS's statement, however it should clearly be marked as her interpretation of the events. We can give both sides of the story and let the readers decide what they think happened. Dayewalker (talk) 18:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Then add the controversy that you had deleted as well. – túrian  patois  18:20, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What controversy are you referring to? Dayewalker (talk) 18:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This one. – túrian  patois  18:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

(OD) What does one have to do with the other? The removed section dealt with speculation, this section deals with the verified fact of Chima's ejection, and the verified reaction and explanations from the two sides involved. Dayewalker (talk) 18:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It provides information leading up the controversy. If you just mention the microphone then readers will hardly see the problem with that. She has been freaking out for days, and it is important to make note of it. – túrian  patois  18:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The section I removed dealt with speculation that Chima was the sole reason for the live show being taped this week. As for your comment that we should portray the houseguests "as they are," Wikipedia isn't here to portray anyone as anything. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and presents information from reliable secondary sources. WP isn't a fansite, everything we post should be properly sourced.


 * I don't see what one section has to do with the other, since this section is discussing whether or not to include part of Chima's post-expulsion statement. Dayewalker (talk) 18:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. Don't presume to tell me what Wikipedia is. 2. It was properly sourced. It is controversy since it was supposed to be a live show but wasn't. And we need to assume NPOV. It was controversial, ergo a controversy. – túrian  patois  18:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the live show being taped was a significant event and should have been noted. However, your edit took a source that speculated the change was due to fear of Chima disrupting the event, and presented it as verifiable fact. We don't make the jump in logic from speculation to certainty. "Controversy" should be verified as controversy through reliable secondary sources, not through our own opinions or observations.


 * We're getting way off topic here, I'd suggest that if you still want to discuss the previous edit, we take it back to the relevant section of this talk page. Since no one else seemed to have a problem with my edit, we really shouldn't be taking up space in a section dealing with a current question. Dayewalker (talk) 18:56, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Discussion on use of sources in Big Brother articles.
This will effect all Big Brother articles, so you may want to see this discussion. DJ 21:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That discussion has no bearing on the BB U.S. articles. – túrian  patois  22:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it does; the outcome of this will affect all articles under WP:BIGBRO. DJ 22:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it won't. Start a discussion on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Big_Brother or the American project page, not on the UK page. – túrian  patois  22:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've directed other pages to the discussion on the UK page. Therefore, the location is irrelevant. DJ 22:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No. It isn't. A simple move is all that is needed. – túrian  patois  22:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I started the discussion there. It really doesn't matter. You've now started the same argument on 2 talk pages. Just deal with it. DJ 22:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Changes needed
In the HouseGuests table, the eviction days need to be changed. Go the CBS website, and watch episode 4, the first eviction episode. Julie says "it's only day 11." So, under the evictions in the HouseGuests table, day 12 needs to be changed to 11, day 19 needs to be changed to 18, and etc. 76.127.235.42 (talk) 21:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about the Voting History table, then it is correct because apparently Julie said Day 11 when she should have said Day 12 MSalmon (talk) 22:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct, Julie was incorrect when saying "Day 11". – túrian  patois  22:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought MSalmon (talk) 22:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

List of Big Brother (U.S.) HouseGuests is now a Featured List!
Everyone, Another Believer has been working on List of Big Brother (U.S.) HouseGuests and has gotten the list up to FL-Class! This is a great achievement and the first FL-List for WP:BIGBRO as a whole. I honestly think that we can get more of the BB articles up to A-Class, GA-Class or even dare I say it FA-Class. I think that we should take a look at other reality based competition shows that have FA-Class articles and see what we can incorporate to make the BB USA/BB UK articles and other BB articles around the world to FA-Class. I believe this year the editors of the USA and UK articles have a great start here.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  04:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Posted to Big Brother 11 (U.S.), Big Brother 2009 (UK) and WP:BIGBRO.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  04:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Should there be a Separate Table for the Jury Members?
Should there be one? cause it could be useful on the Last Night so that way we could see how the Jury Members vote and how America Votes in place of Chima's Vote98.163.120.145 (talk) 22:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, see Big Brother 10 (U.S.) for how that is done. – túrian  patois  23:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A note will be added for America's vote if that is the case, similar to how Big Brother placed a penalty vote against Jen in BB8.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  00:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that where Chima's vote was to go, we can background it blue like the Jury Member box and place America's Vote there. But that is just a suggestion. – túrian  patois  00:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It may confuse new readers that don't follow the show heavily. The best way I can think of is a note in the table, or maybe a space for America's Vote somehow.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  01:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * But the note is the best way I can think of to preserve the accuracy of the table.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  01:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Is there an official confirmation that Chima's lost jury vote is being given over to an "America votes" thing? Tarc (talk) 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * CBS has officially confirmed that Chima will not be part of the jury. The America vote is just one scenario going around on how CBS will replace Chima's vote.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  15:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please add a space for Russell using the veto and taking Natalie off?
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.36.13 (talk) 23:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, because the veto competition is happening tomorrow. Nice try. – túrian  patois  23:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice catch, T. Dayewalker (talk) 00:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Woops. Im sooo sorry. I seriously thought thats what happened. Because I was watching the feeds and thats what Michele had said. Sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.36.13 (talk) 01:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Bold move in Voting history
I removed the usual lead in and replaced it with a Legend of the colors used. Most reality shows do this and the format of the show is either linked to the main series article or written that specific season. If the Legend works and helps improve the article standard we will implement it on other articles and even have a project wide discussion to apply it to other Big Brother articles. What do you think?  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  03:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I dislike it. It is a tad much since everything is clearly explained in the table already. I think we should keep the intro. And keep in mind BB is a lot different than other reality competitions. – túrian  patois  03:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea I don't like it either (looks weird), but I was thinking a lot of information is duplicated in the voting history table so trying to cut down/remove duplicate information might help.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  03:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think all that happened was redundancy was added. I think the table is set up rather well as is. – túrian  patois  03:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you could have left the change up for a little longer to get other editors opinions on the change instead of reverting it after you saw it.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  04:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You said you didn't like it and this. – túrian  patois  04:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, my bad what I meant was that I didn't like the way it looked. If anyone would like to see what we are talking about click here. Just leave it for now and if anyone wants to discuss it further they can look at the revision history.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  04:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It just repeats information because we don't abbreviate anything in the table (such as American Idol, etc.). The table is explains itself. – túrian  patois  04:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Controversy
It should be added what Jeff had said in the previous episode "I'll break the mirrors and light the beds on fire" Also should be noted that Chima caused the 8/13/09 thurs show to not air live and please mention some of her comments throughoput the show that they aired ffc etc.  -- 17:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)
 * You totally misunderstood what Jeff said. Go back and watch it again. And controversy worth noting is controversy that reaches outside the house. – túrian  patois  17:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, controversy is not the same as sensationalism. Something is only controversial if there are differing opinions on what took place or who was at fault in some issue.  If someone was offended by Jeff's comment, and there was some noteworthy discussion over whether it was right for him to say it, then it would be a controversy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.139.216 (talk) 01:56, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Removing the Have Nots from the nominations table
I don't think that Have nots should be in the nominations table as they do not directly have influence on the voting, who's hoh, who's nominated, who wins PoV, etc. What do you think? --BigOz22 (talk) 18:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's information that is good to know. And it is a voting history table, so anything that could influence anything or explain anything should be included. – túrian  patois  19:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That information is already in The Weekly Summary. --BigOz22 (talk) 21:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This was never brought up but when Big Brother divides housemates in other countries it is typically included in some form. The Have-Nots could be claimed as similar.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  22:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

List of Celebrity Big Brother (UK) housemates is nominated for Featured List status
Posted to Big Brother 11 (U.S.), Big Brother 2009 (UK) and WP:BIGBRO.

...and it would be appreciated (and highly useful) if editors with knowlege of Big Brother could help review the article on its nominations page. It would be amazing for WP:BIGBRO to get its second FL in such a short space of time. DJ 22:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Good source for Reception
The British media have been commenting on the programme -. DJ 23:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link, when I am able to get a day off from work I plan on working on the Reception section. This is a great article to use. Thanks DJ  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  00:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Template is anti-colour blind
There is a discussion occuring here on whether the colours of the sidebar are too similar. Please discuss the matter there, thanks. DJ 17:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Eviction votes received - yay or nay?
Earlier I added the column "Eviction votes received" to the voting history table similar to the UK's "Nominations totals." It has been argued that the "Nominations totals" column violates WP:NOT and WP:OR. Others have claimed that the column breaks WP:SYNTH and WP:NOTFANSITE. I am starting a discussion here to reach an consensus to have or remove "Eviction votes received" column since it is adapted from the UK articles to fit the USA format. 20:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I feel that this should be removed since I believe it does violate WP:NOT, WP:OR, WP:SYNTH and WP:NOTFANSITE. It serves little or no encyclopedic value I think it would help the US articles to omit this column.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  20:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I would just like to point out if no consensus is reached here then the decision reached over on here will apply.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  07:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Misinfromation?
Didnt Julie state on live show 9/3 that the veto comp and cermomy plus part 1 of final hoh will be on the tuesday 9/8 episode? Yet it seems veto is already complete. -- 02:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)
 * I think it is a live veto ceremony, live eviction, final HoH pt. 1. The Veto competition will be shown via highlights.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  10:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I could have sworn she said live veto comp too, but I just went back and watched it and she only said "final veto competition", but then said everything else was live. - Spyke1077 (talk) 04:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixing needed
In the HouseGuests section, there is an error. It says:

"Major alliances this season included NBK (Natural Born Killers) (Jesse, Natalie, Russell, Ronnie, Chima) and the Dumb Five (Jeff, Jordan, Casey, Laura, Michelle)."

Michele's name is spelled with 2 L's in that sentence, but it really has only 1 L in her name. Can someone fix that? 76.127.235.42 (talk) 14:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That sentence doesn't even need to be in there. I've removed it. – túrian  patois  17:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Good call, T. Dayewalker (talk) 04:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

This may actually be the first season it seems that no official alliance names were given. -- 20:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Question about the days
The voting history table says the second vote of Week 9 will begin on Day 67, when the final HoH is crowned. But if yesterday was Day 66, and the Jury Statements HoH that will determine the final Head of Household is live tomorrow, wouldn't that make the second vote of week 9 begin on Day 68? Wanted to check I wasn't mistaken before changing it. - Spyke1077 (talk) 00:08, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The day is the one after the final day of the HoH's reign. – túrian  patois  00:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox
Can we return the format to normal. The new format looks like crap!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.88.86.28 (talk) 23:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. No 2. It is consensus. 3. The format for the season is different, so the table will be too. – túrian  patois  23:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Could someone please point towards the consensus in question? I wasn't even aware a discussion was taking place. --LeoChris (talk) 16:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have yet to see this consensus? It currently looks terrible and should be reverted back as per the colouring on WP:BIGBRO 12bigbrother12 (talk) 18:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Man, this DOES look like crap. I Vote to put older colors on there. I Agree with 12bigbrother12, this needs to be reverted --Captaincharisma98 (talk) 18:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)Captaincharisma98
 * Yeah, what happened? I honestly thought someone had vandalized it. It's a little flashy for my liking. - Spyke1077 (talk) 20:19, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Then propose a change. And we didn't change from old colors, we added more because of the clique theme (we being the people who have been editing this article since the beginning of the season and not just coming at the end). I frankly see no problem with the colors. There are alternatives, but they are unnecessary. – túrian  patois  20:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't get what it has to do with the cliques if everyone is green (and are all the other colours going to change?), but I gotcha. Next summer I'll be sure to get in here bright and early so I matter. Later. - Spyke1077 (talk) 21:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Everyone is green? – túrian  patois  21:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Turian, it hasn't just affected this season's article. It has affected all seasons accross all countries. The boxes being blue, and the links being blue on top of them makes it near impossible to read some of them.81.96.133.72 (talk) 22:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no fathomable idea as to what you are talking about... there is no blue box... o.O – túrian  patois  23:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The links in the ones I have circled are near impossible to read. 81.96.133.72 (talk) 23:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

\=>That isn't what it looks like... it is your computer (or you edited it yourself to be like that). – túrian  patois  03:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I also see the blue table. (Or well, blue squares since we've now shifted to end-game mode) it's apparently not just an isolated problem. --LeoChris (talk) 03:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe you were the last person. provide a picture of it, because I fail to see what is going on (it has to be a computer problem). And by has to, I mean it has to. – túrian  patois  03:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, here's a screencapture of my IE window. I'd like to mention that this problem doesn't apply to just this season's article, but to every BB article, US and UK. It was fine a week ago though, so I'm not sure what happened. Perhaps someone toyed with the templates? Could a knowledgeable person check that out ? --LeoChris (talk) 04:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am thinking it is IE, since that browser fails in multiple areas. There were some changes, but I will see what we can do. – túrian  patois  04:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

(OD)That's what my screen looks like also, using IE8. About a week ago, the colors on that box all seemed screwed up, Nat/Kev/Jordan's names were blue text on a blue background. It seems there's an error somewhere. Dayewalker (talk) 04:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Turian, where is the consensus you say was made? 12bigbrother12 (talk) 11:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a Windows Explorer thing. I've just switched to Firefox and the colors there are not screwed up :) 118.208.107.51 (talk) 13:05, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Can they be fixed for Internet Explorer to? 24.88.86.28 (talk) 21:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ The problem should now be fixed. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  03:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Just noticed this issue from someone's talk page, and as an IE8/Firefox user, I thought I'd confirm that it now looks the same for me on both browsers. Whatever you did, Plastikspork, it works! —RobinHood70 (talk • contribs) 06:58, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Voting table
Whoever just edited it broke it for me, a Windows/Firefox user. Revert! 72.43.69.38 (talk) 02:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Jeff
Can I put in about Jeff, "On Finale Night, it was revealed that the public had voted for him to win $25,000 having received the most votes in a poll to find America's Favorite Player." It's used for the entry about BB10 w/ Keesha. Rs09985 (talk) 04:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It was called "America's Choice", not America's Favorite Player. Alanasings (talk) 12:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Ratings
What happened to the ratings sections? All the previous seasons tables are removed.. If we keep it as this, we should at least list the premier, finale, series high and low, and the overall average for the season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Housguest information
This area should have what prizes each person won, for example Kevin won $10,000. This should be included in past seasons as well. -- 19:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)
 * Cooly123, this article is still in development. Several sections like the House and Prizes need to be added plus the Ratings section needs to be expanded. The summary could be proof-read to cut down on repeated information, adding more sources. The voting history table could use sources in the later weeks as well. If there is something that you notice that is missing that you believe should be there, be bold add it to the article.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  21:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

So...
Now that this season is over, can the page be un-protected? 76.127.235.42 (talk) 21:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The page is on a temporary protection. The protection will expire on the 25th and as long as the page doesn't experience excessive vandalism it will remain unprotected.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  06:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

No mentioning
Still no mention of the first 2hour finale.--Cooly123 19:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)