Talk:Big Brother 12 (American season)/Archive 1

Reason for creation
As a result of last year, I have created the page with similar information and sources needed that started Big Brother 11 (U.S.). CBS has confirmed it, there are sources backing up the information so it isn't WP:CRYSTAL. This also stops anon users from using alternate naming schemes to create this article and prevents several AfD discussions. If various seasons of Survivor can be created a year in advance with the same amount of information then Big Brother US articles can too. Big Brother 11 (U.S.) was started on September 24, 2008.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  07:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't Blame You, I was waiting for somebody to start this after I heard CBS renewed Big Brother.--Forrestdfuller (talk) 09:35, 16 September 2009 (EST)
 * Indeed, no problem with this version. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  18:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

When will Big Brother 12 cast tapes have a deadline? someone should search for more heavy sources it's been like what four months i'm sure by now CBS have the timeline and set up for Big Brother 12 but someone needs to search for even more sources, they are there! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.173.65 (talk) 21:35, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have updated the article with more sources and information. If you know of good sources feel free to post them here and an established users will add them to the article. I would have updated this one sooner but I was focusing on improving Big Brother 11 (U.S.) and trying to get it up to GA status.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  04:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Involvement with WP:BIGBRO and task forces
Hi editors last year there were several discussions that affected not only the American articles but overall Big Brother articles including the UK articles. If possible can we try to have these types of discussions on the main WP:BIGBRO project page and/or the task force pages? It would be nice if we could keep discussions regarding major changes on the task force discussion page and larger discussions to the overall project page. Some editors took offense at these types of discussions being regulated to the then-current season/series articles while some attacked other articles for bringing the project down. Last year with a consensus task forces for two of the largest versions of Big Brother were created (UK task force & USA task force) to handle the respective differences between the two and other versions. If we utilize the project talk page and the respective task force talk page we can collaborate more efficiently and really improve the overall project and avoid the bashing that happened last year.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  10:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Copied to Big Brother 2009 (UK), WP:BIGBRO, UK task force, USA task force

Houseguests enter on Day 1
I have added that all houseguests will enter on Day 1. It's highly unlikely that any of these houseguests will enter after launch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbmaniac (talk • contribs) 02:24, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Generally that isn't added until after the premiere so it doesn't seem like the show has already started but I have no problem with it.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  04:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Neither do I, that 'T' guy can do what he wants. I just assumed that houseguests enter on Day 1. I forgot that in the US they all enter on different days. I mean, come on, there are just some things that are blatantly obvious.
 * Its nothing against you it is just he is upholding a consensus that was reached a couple of seasons ago because people complained about having Day 1 prior to the TV premiere.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  01:22, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The statement about the HGs all entering on different days makes no sense. They all enter on the same day. Also Day 1 is the day the game starts not when the broadcast begins. When you watch the show and they show that it's Day 46, for example, that means it's Day 46 of the game. Do people not realize they need to have those first days to get some footage for the first episode which is *not* live? 70.72.83.190 (talk) 03:08, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * All articles on Big Brother share the same infobox, and other versions of Big Brother have HGs move in later than Day 1. In fact, the American series has allowed for HGs who had been evicted earlier in that season to return to the house, and they get another listing for the day they re-enter the house. 67.188.231.214 (talk) 11:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 76.116.120.77, 4 July 2010
editsemiprotected

Houseguests officially entered house today. Source: www.onlinebigbrother.com

76.116.120.77 (talk) 03:36, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I added the requested edit but used the source CBSTweet because online fansites are not allowed.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  05:09, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

1st eviction
Can the chart have eviction one be listed as day 7? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The first eviction will actually occur on Day 13 (Thursday July 15), the HouseGuests enter the House entered the House on July 3rd and that is considered Day 1. The first week is typically longer due to this brief period where the HouseGuests are in the House prior to the season premiere.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  21:51, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

The Sabatour?
Could we have a symbol for the sabatour in the charts?--Cooly123 16:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)
 * It isn't necessary in my opinion, a note added to the voting history table and the summary will provide enough detail. If the Sabatour earns money similar to America's Player a table can be added detailing the tasks performed by the Sabatour.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  21:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I added a note to the voting history table for now, however if the Saboteur can vote their own way, make their own nominations if wins HoH, etc. then the note will be removed as twist has no impact over the voting history then just a mention in the Summary section will enough.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  21:49, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 76.116.120.77, 4 July 2010
The chart on the side of the page says "Entry" and "Exit". Every other chart for Big Brother seasons 1-11 on their pages has "Entered" and "Exited". This may seem trivial, however, it will look awkward compared to the others.

76.116.120.77 (talk) 21:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It has to do with the templates. The one used here is in present tense while the one on BB11 is in past tense.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  10:04, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Spigot Map  15:17, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of 'present' and 'past' tenses, shouldn't the 'format' section be edited to reflect the currency of the season? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.25.148.234 (talk) 21:40, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Logo
Since the the logo for Season 12 is the same as Season 11, shouldn't it be on this page as well? AJona1992 (talk) 01:53, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * While it is the same it is a different color. A logo will be added sometime this week.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  02:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers
I know this is wikipedia and people probably don't have spoiler policies, but could people not put in details that haven't already gone to air. It's only a small favor. It's just that the nominees for this week have been listed and the nominations ceremony hasn't even been shown. I know it has on the live feeds, but I think a lot of people come to wikipedia for the ease of access to information and may not want that spoilt. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.209.106 (talk) 11:21, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

This is a yearly debate yet there always seem to be spoiler information on here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * To save time this was already discussed this year on Talk:Big Brother 2010 (UK). The consensus remains that spoilers can be added to the article because of WP:SPOILER. As long as the information can be backed up from a reliable website (like Zap2it.com for example) then it can be added. The best advice I can give any BB fan worldwide is not to view the respective article (like this one or Big Brother 2010 (UK)) until the eviction day as by then the article will have caught up with the televised broadcast shows.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  21:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Saboteur Identity? (Major spoilers)
Ok, I've been dying to talk about this. But I think I've figured out who the Saboteur is with a 99% certanity. Go back & rewatch the scene when the lights go out. I counted how many peoplw were actually on the couch. There was one missing! And just before the lights came back on, there the person was! No one else in the house (as far as I can tell) has yet to catch onto this. The Person missing? Kathy! She was NOT sitting on the couch when the lights went out & was miracously there just before the lights went back on. I'm not sure how she managed to get onto the couch without someone noticing it, but no one seems to have remembered that she actually wasn't there. And everyone else vouched for where they were. She sat there with no comment whatsoever! CBS did say they chose someone who would best be able to pull it off. Who better than a cop? Knows every trick in the book. Anyone else catch that?


 * I think it's the Jewish guy, and I didn't noticed that! AJona1992 (talk) 22:17, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Alliances
Do you think there should be a table or a chart or section that shows who are in alliances together. i know that people will be betrayed and alliances will change over time. But like how Enzo,Lane,Hayden and Matt are in a alliance and have a name to their alliance. Should that be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.55.154 (talk) 19:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That is not needed, that would be going into recap territory which Wikipedia is not. Alliances should not be noted in the Summary either as the Summary is a basic explication of the events in the House, competitions, twists, etc.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  20:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Scottax, 16 July 2010
editsemiprotected


 * hm13-exit = Day 13

Scottax (talk) 14:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Fixed - had been listed as day 7. --Jordan 1972 (talk) 17:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Jww047, 16 July 2010
I can help with big brother stuff.

Jww047 (talk) 23:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It is good that you wish to help, but is only for requesting specific changes. If there is anything specific you want changed, you can re-place the . I have placed a selection of helpful links on your talk page to help you get acquainted with editing here.  Intelligent  sock  23:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Why hasn't anyone updated it?
editsemiprotected In the "Summary" section, the farthest it goes is when Hayden nominated Brendon and Rachel. Seriously, why did nobody put anything in that section that happened afterwards? Brendon won the Veto, took himself off, was replaced by Annie, Annie was revealed to be the Saboteur, was evicted by a 10-0 vote. Rachel won HoH, nominated Britney and Monet, Britney won the Veto. It's been a week since Brendon won the Veto, and nobody put anything in the Summary section that happened after the first nominations? I sense laziness. 76.127.217.214 (talk) 22:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It will be updated soon, I haven't made any updates due to my power being out and real life issues.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  23:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll go ahead and update it now, to the best of my abilities. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 01:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Summary
For this week 2 veto can we mention the punishment for loosing the competition since the show didn't mention it at all. This is seen on the live feed when houseguests are in the stockcades for extended periods at a time.--Cooly123 16:52, 23 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Start date
Does anyone know when the HouseGuest actually enter the house, and how long it will be on for? MSalmon (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Traditionally the houseguests enter the house a few days before the show's actual premiere. Since the show will be premiering on July 8, they will probably be entering on July 5. 74.163.13.206 (talk) 22:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Many sources are claiming today July 2nd as move in day. --Cooly123 19:14, 3 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

With the official move in day being July 3rd, I will try to integrate this into the article somehow. These official move in days should be placed in all the seasosns as well.--Cooly123 13:01, 28 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)
 * The move in date is noted in the HouseGuests section, also this is the first season with some sort of source for the move in date.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  17:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

First HOH competition
Did anyone catch the name of the compitition on the premeire?--Cooly123 17:00, 9 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)


 * I forgot the name, but the theme was "hot dogs" and the houseguests had to go, one by one, across the other side. The houseguests were split into two teams. The first team to have all their team mates across wins the HOH. Also the first person who went across (holding the hot dog, as mustard and ketchup was consentingly(?) being squirted out) won $10,000 while the second gets I believe $1,000 and so forth lolz. Hope this works! And also sigh you name with these four tildes ~ AJona1992 (talk) 01:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I think Julie said on the 7/29 during the hoh comp. it was called 'Weiner Roast"--Cooly123 18:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

The winner or $10,000 was Monet, $1,000 was Lane, $100 was Kristen, $10 would have been Britney but due to her getting injured and Kristen getting sent across again nobody won $10, $1 was Matt, and HoH was Hayden.eagle2ch (talk) 11:41, 18 August, 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.56.34.106 (talk)

First controversy of the season
It looks like we have our first controversy of the season:. I'm not sure how to appropriately add this to the article. —TRAiNER4 (talk • contrib)  12:02, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I heard about this too if you can find that article again, then set it up and source it.--Cooly123 23:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)


 * I'd wait and see if legitimate, non-tabloid media pick up on it first. Tarc (talk) 16:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Well with Julie stating this as controversy outside the house on the 7/29 show, why not place it into this article?--Cooly123 14:45, 30 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)


 * This can be on hold for awhile, well be back to create it once there are more sources AJona1992 (talk) 16:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

andrew evicted 8-0
andrew is the third person evicted —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterparker3000 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Done AJona1992 (talk) 16:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

New Saboteur
I am guessing a new mark will be added for when the new Saboteur will be announced? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.12.250 (talk) 17:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually I think we don't need the marks, just the summary would be enough.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  04:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I have to agree on both sides, if the "new saboteur" changes the game in a way then there should be a debate on weather or not there should be a new "mark" for this type. But if this person declines, doesn't make headlines, or any other notable situations in and outside of the house then no there shouldn't be a new mark. AJona1992 (talk) 16:05, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Veto Use
I know anyone can check the chart to see if the veto is used...but is there anyway to show it in the top table? For example, since Britney didn't use the veto...maybe it can be marked black and show a new icon. I don't know. Just as the other marks do...this would provide convenience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.120.77 (talk) 02:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The infobox is fine, if it was used then the only thing that would have changed is the nominations.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  14:21, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Head Of Household in Voting History table
Hey. This is probably going to fall on deaf ears, but instead of having 'Head Of Household' in the table, can it not simply be 'HOH'? When Head Of Household is written in the table, it takes up two lines whereas HOH would take up one and make it look neater throughout the table... if you get my drift? Plus the term HOH is the more commonly used than Head Of Household. Yay or nay? Ciao! db1987db (talk) 22:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nay, leave it as it is because of history.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 22:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. I experimented with this several years ago. Unfortunately, when someone gets evicted, it'll bloat their box anyways. If you remove the break between "Evicted" and "(Day XX)", the last person to get evicted has a bloated box, while nobody else does. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 07:52, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a note this would have to be decided among the whole project due to other versions like Brazil who also use Head of Household. I think the table is fine just the way it is and by having "Head of Household" instead of "HoH" is better for newcomers who haven't either watched Big Brother or the American version of Big Brother.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  10:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Avoid posting information that has not aired
Please avoid making revisions to this article that contain information (such as winners of competitions, nominations, veto meetings, evictions) that have not yet aired during the normal CBS broadcasts. There are plenty of Internet resources available if people want that information.

This and other articles about TV shows should follow the same policy as for pro wrestling pay-per-views and contain the same warning instructing users not to edit the page with spoiler information.

Damon Killian (talk) 19:19, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

This has already been discussed spoilers and such are ok as long as they can be verified. Check the Archives page. If you don't want to know then don't come to the page207.241.137.116 (talk) 21:30, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Diamond Power of Veto
Differnet colored veto symbol for the table at the top for Matt? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.176.75 (talk) 00:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. Definitely, I already made the symbol: Diamond Veto.png. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 01:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * There is nothing designating that he has the diamond power of veto in the voting table. 98.122.4.11 (talk) 21:47, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I have a question about this power that is not clear....SO since Brendon (unfortunately) won HOH, he will nominate 2 people. Matt can override the veto regardless of what Brendon wants, so lets say Matt takes someone of (maybe even himself if necessary) then the rules say he gets to pick anyone as a replacement...My question is, can he choose to put Brendon on the Block then? I hope so or this power Matt has is worthless. 66.188.54.37 (talk) 01:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt that Brendon can be nominated as a result of his win (unfortunately) or whoever wins the Golden PoV. (Similar to the Coup d'tat rules). Also, if Matt uses the Diamond Power of Veto, the table will be reflected to note this. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 02:24, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 66.226.246.133, 13 August 2010
editsemiprotected

In the last paragraph of the summary, it states that Brendon won his second Head of Household competion when, in fact, it was his first win. Please ammend the sentence to reflect that Brendon won his first HOH.

66.226.246.133 (talk) 22:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Done!--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 22:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Rachel's Pandora's Entrance
As much as we all hate this twist occured. Should the top table reflect this twist? This typea twist could and IS having dramatic effects in the game. I think putting Enter: Day 43 Exit: Day 44 for Rachel and Exit: Day 43 and Enter: Day 44 on the table is a plausible option. And just noting it in the bottom voting table does not suffice for the overall effect it is having on the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.176.75 (talk) 02:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * All it needs is a mention in the summary and the notes underneath the table. It is not that notable to change the table to reflect it, let alone the main template. That's ludicrous. 99.182.252.92 (talk) 00:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * With other Big Brother articles when an ex-Housemate re-enters the House as a visitor or guest it is usually indicated in the infobox about the extra days that person spent in the House along with the square for that week indicating it.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  01:17, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Examples? Because it looks ridiculous. –Turian  ( talk )  00:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Big Brother 2003 (UK) is notable because one housemate was voted to go back into the House but just as a guest and was ineligible to win. To remove this precedent a discussion to effect all Big Brother articles needs to be held.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  02:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I do agree with that the Voting History note shouldn't really be put (but at the same time I still don't get with the Have Nots being listed aswell, especially since Have Nots are still fully eligible to compete in PoV, being nominated, vote to evict, be HoH, etc) But I am not sure if we should put Rachel's Day 44/Day 45 whatever in the infobox, same goes with Rima from Australian Big Brother and Jon from Big BRother UK. --BigOz22 (talk) 03:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * My thinking is with the Have-Nots row is to indicate who lived with the "poor" conditions in the House. Instead of using a color to indicate who was a have not it was easier to use a row. The indication of the Have Nots is similar to other articles that indicate which Housemate lived in the poor side of a BB House but were still able to fully participate in the nomination and eviction process without penalty.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  15:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Winnings
Since this is an enyclopedia can i or someone else add like a winnings table? like after the house guest name in the box add a Coulem with what they won during the season —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevmicester2000 (talk • contribs) 08:41, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Prizes are integrated into the summary section. They should be noted when they are given out.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  15:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Could this winning be incorpurated into the houseguest listing page for each season then?--Cooly123 15:21, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Veto competiotion
What was the name of the veto comp that Ragan won?--Cooly123 15:22, 20 August 2010 (UTC)