Talk:Big Mac/Archive 3

Edit request from 130.184.197.123, 15 June 2010
Please change the line that states that the big mac snack wrap is one piece of meat wrapped in a tortilla with all of the ingredients to say that it is half a piece of the quarter pounder meat wrapped in a tortilla with all of the ingredients. I work at McDonald's and since we started the big mac snack wrap we have never used the same meat as the big mac sandwich. The big mac sandwich uses the 10:1 meat and we use the 4:1 meat in the big mac snack wrap.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 04:37, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

In the first paragraph the word "per cent" is one word "percent:. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.140.217 (talk) 19:08, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request, Mega mac
I live in Lebanon, and the Mega Mac is also sold here as a permanent menu item. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daratoz (talk • contribs) 17:00, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Section: The Mega Mac or Double Big Mac - four 1.6 oz (45.4 g) beef patties and an extra slice of cheese. Available in China, Ireland, Serbia, Japan, Turkey, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand (known as the Double Big Mac).[6] Discontinued in Australia and New Zealand;

I now live in New Zealand and can safely say that, for the past 8 months up to and including today, and for the foreseeable future, every single McDonalds I have visited (dozens) all advertise and sell the Mega Mac, it can be seen in the inside and drive thru menu's with pictures.

130.184.197.123 (talk) 15:26, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I live in New Zealand, and have since January 2010, and as of today, Saturday the 6th of August, the Mega Mac is STILL available in New Zealand. I am going to get one now. The statement that it is discountinued in New Zealand is blatantly false. It is clearly displayed on the menu and in the drive thru window at McDonald's, along with the Double Quarter Pounder.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Spigot Map  15:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

You have asked the chap above to provide sources, but this article makes the bold claim that the mega mac is on sale in a restaurant in Manchester, UK. Can any one prove this please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.88.179 (talk) 03:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I live in Canada and the Double Big Mac has been sold here for years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dburger120 (talk • contribs) 05:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I live in New Zealand and work for McDonalds, and I can confirm that the Mega Mac is indeed on sale in our resturants. Aiolos87 (talk) 14:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi all, we're not asking you to confirm it yourselves, we're asking for a reliable source which confirms it.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm not the original person, but shall I get you a picture as I am going to McDonalds to get myself a Mega Mac right now? Would glad to do it. What precisely would you consider a 'reliable source' if not from an actual employee, or photos of the menu clearly stating it is available? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.224.64.97 (talk) 11:00, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Alrighty, here we go. Its a late saturday night (11:30pm) in NZ and the stomach growls. Lets go get some McDonalds:

1) http://www.punz.co.nz/downloads/megamac/P1010019.JPG : But whats this? Mc Donalds Drive thru, on Great North Road in the Suburb of Newton, Auckland, New Zealand. 2) http://www.punz.co.nz/downloads/megamac/P1010020.JPG : Oh SNAP! The Mega Mac on the menu! In fact, on the menu TWICE. On the left side among the standard menu items, and on the right side in a special Doubly Delicious section which also lists the Double Quarter Pounder and Double Cheese Burger. 3) http://www.punz.co.nz/downloads/megamac/P1010021.JPG : Oh SNAP! The Computer ordering screen, which shows various Adverisments while Idle flicked to the Mega Mac just as I was asked what my order is. 4) http://www.punz.co.nz/downloads/megamac/P1010022.JPG : Oh SNAP AGAIN! My Order! A Large Mega Mac Combo! Its actually a STANDARD MENU ITEM as it is on the computer. This is no 'Big Mac' with 'Add Meat' or anything silly like that, its actually a programmed option!

I didn't bother getting a picture of my eating the burger, but I suppose I could have. In any case, those are the original unedited photos, and contain EXIF data too.

My question would be, what is YOUR source that the mega mac was ever removed from the menu at McDonalds New Zealand? Are you going to demand that McDonalds release a public press release that the Mega Mac is still, infact, available? Or do you want me to buy you a fucking plane ticket so you can come here and check for yourself in person before you believe it?

You guys are so obsessed with demanding reliable sources (like a source from someone who WORKS at McDonalds and actual photos of their computerised menu, menu boards, etc is not good enough) you guys prefer to publish blatantly false information instead.

And Jimmy Wales is so worried that wikipedia is losing contributors. (http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/08/05/1621200/Wikipedia-Losing-Contributors-Says-Wales). No wonder, when the editors refuse to accept ANY edits or changes, no matter how much supporting evidence is provided. I hope wikipedia BURNS if you guys continue this. I'll ensure I'll bring this to Wales' attention himself, along with the many other real edits I have contributed over the years, most of which have been reversed because of some editor flexing his e-peen.

Nutritional values table
Is the RDA different in different countries or are the percentages wrong? Example: Protein 40g, 15% (Hungary); 46g, 14% (South Korea) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.69.239.247 (talk) 05:57, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

In 1999 in the United Kingdom three Court of Appeal judges ruled that a diet consisting of Big Macs and other high-fat McDonald products may lead to heart disease Which means absolutely nothing! What a stupid, unscientific and misleading statement THAT is. A diet consisting of high fat haute cuisine products from the finest restaurants in Paris may lead to heart disease! A diet consisting of traditional UK foods like roast beef, sausages and chips may lead to heart disease! A diet consisting of nothing but cheese sandwiches may lead to heart disease! The key point is that diets need to be varied and balanced in order to be healthy. The fact that restricting your diet to MacDonalds products may lead to illness is a not an indication that MacDonalds products are inherently unhealthy, it is an indication that unbalanced diets are inherently unhealthy. MacDonalds do not control what you eat; if you are stupid enough to eat nothing but Big Macs and fries every day, yes, that would be inadvisable, but thats YOUR decision and YOUR problem. You may as well say that eating salad and fresh vegetables every day is bad for you because you might get bored with them and eat a load of cream cakes......Sort out the logic here, and the cause & effect. THINK. StanPomeray (talk) 16:54, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I came to this page for the exact same reason. That sentence is utterly stupid. Does a ruling of three UK judges legislate a new fact into existence? I think not. When I get around to signing into my account I'll delete it. Any objections? 140.180.12.106 (talk) 00:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Furthermore, contrary to popular belief, there is little evidence that saturated fats cause heart disease.130.88.123.137 (talk) 16:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Nutritional values table overhaul
I just completed an exhaustive overhaul of the nutritional values table. Much of the nutrition information had changed and many of the reference links had to be updated as well.

To make the editing easier, I changed the column headers to specify the unit value involved (i.e. kcal for kilo-calorie, g for gram, mg for milligram) and replaced the cell values with a simple number.

I was unable to find nutrition data for Hungary and Norway. A number of the McDonald's web sites in various countries provide their nutrition data via a third party web site. So for example, one gets to the data for Italy by using the mcdonaldsmenu.info link for Italy.

For the Norway web site, they invite you on this page to get the information from mcdonaldsmenu.info. However, the mcdonaldsmenu.info link for Norway redirects back to the Norway McDonald's web site menu page. Therefore, because of this circular arrangement of links, I wasn't able to come up with any nutrition information for Norway.

For Hungary, I wasn't able to find a nutrition link on the Hungary web site at all. The mcdonaldsmenu.info web site doesn't offer Hungary as selection option either.

As for the percentages, they aren't there at the moment, but I plan on a second pass of the table, adding the percentages back in.

I'm reluctant to do this, because the table is more readable as is. Moreover, because the systems of nutrition recommendations vary depending on location, I suspect that the value of assigning percentages might be dubious anyway. Can anyone provide guidance on this? Chango369w (talk) 01:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Found the nutrition info for Hungary, still looking for Norway's. Chango369w (talk) 12:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Found the nutrition info for Norway. Chango369w (talk) 12:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Mac/Special Sauce as Variant of Thousand Island
The last sentence of the first paragraph of the "Special Sauce" section stated that the sauce is "recognized as a variant of Thousand Island." This was flagged as "not in citation" since November 2010. To alleviate the issue, I've changed the text to read "though from it's ingredients, one could infer that it is a variant of Thousand Island." I believe this is a fair statment, given that the cited reference lists the ingredients for the sauce, which could be compared to the actual ingredients of any number of Thousand Island dressings or it's variants. How do people feel about this? Though I cannot find a reference at the moment, I'm fairly certain I've heard reports from McDonald's in the past denying that it *is* Thousand Island. Marcberm (talk) 00:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is not. A key ingredient in Thousand Island dressing is ketchup, and the article also list tomato puree. The list of ingredients for the Special Sauce does not list tomato, tomato puree or ketchup. While I would not argue that the lists of ingredients have to exactly match to call it a variant, I would argue that tomato is such a fundamental ingredient of Thousand Island sauce, that excluding it is not a variant but a different product.  I wouldn't call a bacon and lettuce sandwich a variant of a BLT, I'd call it something else. Furthermore, even if it accurate, it would still be WP:OR. I don’t think we need a citation, I think we need an edit to remove it.  SPhilbrick  T  19:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow, never saw this before. I just removed that "infer" part.  Any type of inference based on ingredient lists is, by definition, a form of original research.  Inferring that it either is or is not Thousand Island dressing is not allowed under our policies.  If we have a reliable source that states "The special sauce is similar to Thousand Island dressing", we could include that (with proper attribution).  Qwyrxian (talk) 01:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Ornicus, 16 March 2011
edit semi-protected

Existing table row on Australian nutritional values under "Nutritional Values" subhead:


 * align="left"|🇦🇺||480 kcal||36.2g||25.3g||24.9g|| ||800 mg||||201g||.au

Request addition of percentages of daily recommended intakes worked out from values set out at Dietitians Assoc of Australia

NB: The National Health and Medical Research Council of Australia guidelines available from this page vary from these but do not contain values for all information listed in table and that publication lists different values for the different sexes, not an average. I'm not qualified to determine a reasonable value based on the publication (I could guesstimate but thought it better to find an alternative resource). As dietitians are university-educated professionals and the site referenced is the main site for their professional body, I've taken the values there as a reasonable substitute for the NHMRC values.


 * align="left"|🇦🇺||480 kcal (23%)||36.2g (12%)||25.3g (51%)||24.9g (36%)|| ||800 mg (35%)||||201g||.au

Ornicus (talk) 06:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)Ornicus


 * I know that this may sound weird, but I'm inclined to argue that this would be synthesis. To arrive at those numbers, we'd be combining the standards" from one site, with the base info from another, and doing math on them to determine a percentage.  Furthermore, even we do think this is okay (it's borderline, for me), I think we have to use the NHMRC of Australia figures, and just leave any sections that they don't have standards for blank. Any other editors with thoughts? Qwyrxian (talk) 01:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I think we could do that, if we listed all the sources, if an "average" daily recommended value was given. Since one wasn't, in the absence of what "average" means, I agree with Qwyrxian. Banaticus (talk) 07:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Article rewrite
After a recent suggestion, I'm currently looking at re-writing the article over the next month or so. I was just wondering what people thought about removing the Nutritional Value table all together. It's clearly confusing - RDAs changing all over the place, some values just plain wrong (eg there appears to be an assumption that salt = sodium, which it doesn't). Any suggestions for areas not covered yet would also be appreciated. WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 07:45, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 95.144.63.79, 23 April 2011
Calorific value is actually 490 kcal not 540 kcal

95.144.63.79 (talk) 21:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. If you have a source, please post it here and change the "yes" in the above template to "no" and we can evaluate it. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:19, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Recipe
This should be added, as it is, maybe not the recipe used by McDonald's, but the product is gustatorilly the same. 1/4 cup salad dressing (like Miracle Whip) 1/4 cup mayonnaise 3 tbsp French salad dressing 1/2 tbsp sweet pickle relish 1 1/2 tbsp dill pickle relish 1 tsp sugar 1 tsp dried, minced onion 1 tsp white vinegar 1/8 tsp salt

Mix all ingredients and stir well in a small container Microwave on high for 25 seconds, and stir well again Cover and refrigerate at least 1 hour before serving. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.123.167 (talk) 02:20, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


 * First, we wouldn't include the whole recipe per WP:NOT--we're not a cookbook. Second, you would need to produce a reliable source stating that this is the recipe used. If it's just a similar recipe (which it almost certainly is, as I doubt that McDonald's uses only clearly named ingredients, instead of all sorts of stabilizers, additives, etc.) then it doesn't belong here at all. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Secret? Really?
The source given for the statement that the exact ingredients of Big Mac Sauce are a secret actually seems to state the exact ingredients (see page 3 of the document). gz 33 (talk) 05:20, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur--I've removed that sentence; yes, the exact ratios and all of the spices aren't listed, but, by that argument, the "exact recipe" of every single item on McDonald's menu is a "secret". Qwyrxian (talk) 05:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Darn! I thought for a moment that you listed the real Secret Sauce recipe! Well, it is still secret since there is no identification of how much of what. Sliceofmiami (talk) 03:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Photo should use non-white background image
This Big Mac photo, which was used for the article, is "too professional". The article's lead photo should not use a white background to isolate the subject. This unnatural presentation has the side-effect of making the subject look better than it really is. It is a marketing gimmick. And it is still a marketing gimmick regardless if an amateur took the photo or not. The photo should be representative of a real Big Mac, under real lighting, and under typical presentation. As photographers get better, there's this tendency to try to make the subject look its best. Unfortunately, that goal is at odds with presenting a subject "as it really is", which is what is desired here. I propose that something like this photo, if taken from a slightly lower angle, would be better and more neutral. Jason Quinn (talk) 13:42, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Slogan
This needs to be accurate. I'm certain that "all beef" should be "all-beef" and that the word "all" was used before "on a sesame seed bun". Does anyone have access to the original copy so that we can get it right? Pargy (talk) 15:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 March 2012
The .dk link under Nutritional values leads to a 404 error page. It should lead to this page: http://www.mcdonalds.dk

Julandreasen (talk) 13:31, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Done I used a nutrition subpage. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 01:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Creation Controversy
I am attempting to enter a new heading titled “Creation Controversy”. I posted the new heading and information below, but it was taken down by another user. The posting read as follows:

“Creation Controversy There are claims made by Ronald “Cuts” Curry and other residents of Uniontown, Pennsylvania, that Curry, not Delligatti, was the actual creator of the Big Mac, and that the sandwich was invented in Uniontown and not Ross Township. In 2007, during the celebration of the Big Mac’s 40th Anniversary, and the opening of the Big Mac Museum, an article was written by Uniontown Herald-Standard columnist, Al Owens, and published in The Herald-Standard newspaper corroborating this claim.” http://thinkwebworks.com/ao/History.asp?ID=18

Wikipedia’s due and undue weight specifically states, "Generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all, except perhaps in a "see also" to an article about those specific views." I believe this article, and persons mentioned in it, would at least be considered "tiny minorities", and when you consider this being the view of many Uniontown residents, it is no longer a "tiny minority". I am from Uniontown, and I am personally familiar with the subject matter. The original article that is referenced was published in the local paper (The Herald-Standard) which has a circulation of 30,000 subscribers, none of whom disputed the article when it was published in 2007. Many Uniontown residents, other than the few mentioned in this article, concur with the article. I believe it warrants placement under a "standard heading", and not under a "see also". If the heading is listed as “Creation Controversy” it informs the reader that there is other information out there. We are not deleting the “history” heading of the Big Mac, but we are informing people of information that may not be known outside of southwestern Pennsylvania. Ultimately it is for the reader to decide what they believe. Why should we bury this information, and not let the Wikipedia community view it? Thank you for any input.Jc parttime (talk) 20:24, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I've never heard of Uniontown, being a British citizen, and I often find myself talking to residents of Taiwan, Australia and many European countries which might give you an idea of how global this encyclopaedia is. Wikipedia isn't the place to "get this information out", see if you can get some national news sources to pick up the story? Worm TT( talk ) 21:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

How would I go about getting a national news source to pick the story up?Jc parttime (talk) 13:26, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've absolutely no idea, I'm afraid. Write to some papers? My point was more towards the number of readers and the weight attributed to the information which gets added. Worm TT( talk ) 13:31, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Wouldn't the fact that the article was published in a newspaper that is circulated to 30,000 people, and that also has 168,000 internet readers, add to the credibility of the article? Also, wouldn't the fact that three police officers, whose names are given (one who later became a Magisterial Judge), made statements corroborating these claims add credibility? Even a former manager of the McDonald's store at the time won't admit or deny that Curry's hand was involved in the creation. These are not unnamed people making these statements; these people have reputations to uphold in the community, and by them going on the record it has to add to the credibility of the article. Jc parttime (talk) 16:18, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was tidying up my watchlist and appear to have removed Big Mac from it, thanks for reminding me we were having a discussion! The issue goes down the very heart of Wikipedia is about, we're recording third-hand information, which is verifiable and written in an encyclopedic style. We're really not trying to provide "new" information to anyone, but instead give free access to the "old" information that everyone is sure of.
 * Now, looking at Big Mac, it's a burger sold in over 33k locations, world wide. It is a truely global brand. I'm not disputing the facts, as I haven't researched them thoroughly enough, it may well be true, but for subjects like this we need more third party sources to confirm this history before adding it. Basically, as was mentioned before, we assign information in proportion to its prominence, and for a claim like that, we'd expect journal articles, more newspaper coverage and even lawsuits showing that the information is considered to be likely. I have to ask myself, if this was irrefutablely true, why has Ronald “Cuts” Curry not claimed a portion of McDonald's many billions of dollars they've earned of his invention? Worm TT( talk ) 09:27, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I understand your position, but this information deserves a place somewhere in Wikipedia. If the heading “Creation Controversy” and its placement is too inflammatory, we can change it to water it down. I still think at a minimum the article meets the requirements to be placed under a “see also”. I know there is no one else in the world that can make the same claim that is being made here, have four people go on the record to corroborate it, and then have a newspaper publish it. Delligatti knew Curry, but who gets the credit when something is made in their store? As for Ronald “Cuts” Curry, he was a quiet and humble man who never sought the spotlight, any attention, or compensation over this sandwich. It wasn’t until after his passing, and the opening of the Big Mac Museum, that other people in Uniontown thought the world should know these things.Jc parttime (talk) 10:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I've had a further look at the article in question and I have to say that it appears to be light-hearted piece, reporting what a few people remember. I'm not disputing the credentials of the people who have gone on record, but memories can change over time. Even if you "water it down", it's still not well known information, which has been researched properly. There's no discussion of these ideas with Mcdonald's or from Delligatti's point of view. Overall, it's an interesting newspaper piece, especially amongst locals, but not something I'd call serious research or even serious journalism. I can't see how it "deserves" a place on Wikipedia at all. Worm TT( talk ) 13:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The article may have been written in a light-hearted perspective, but it still does not change what these people are stating. If these same people are interviewed by the New York Times, would this make them more credible? Jc parttime (talk) 19:48, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, much more credible, because the New York Times has a strong reputation for fact checking and would not derive any civic pride either way. - MrOllie (talk) 20:25, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I think I have a compromise. I want to start a new heading titled “Museum”. This entry would be less intrusive and it sticks to the facts. I would place it below the “McDonaldland character” heading. Here is the entry I propose: Museum On August 22, 2007 McDonald’s opened the Big Mac Museum in North Huntingdon, Pennsylvania to celebrate the Big Mac’s 40th anniversary. The museum features the world's largest Big Mac statue (measuring 14 feet high and 12 feet wide), and has hundreds of historic artifacts and exhibits that celebrate the Big Mac. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/mcdonaldsr-celebrates-40-years-serving-twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepicklesonionsonasesameseedbunr-58510247.html http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/living/food/bigmac0824/ The decision to place the museum in North Huntingdon was to the disappointment of some Uniontown, Pennsylvania residents. McDonald’s spokesperson Kerry Ford indicated that the decision was based on logistics and access, but it still did not sit well with some residents and an article was published in Uniontown’s local newspaper, The Herald-Standard. http://thinkwebworks.com/ao/History.asp?ID=18 Jc parttime (talk) 10:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't get to reply, I've been rather busy with other things. I happen to think this is a great compromise, and I'm very glad you suggested it. I think it needs a little copyeditting to bring the tone to a more encyclopedic standard, but that can happen in time. Good job Jc parttime. Worm TT( talk ) 08:36, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Sodium = Salt?
Why does the table have a column for "sodium, salt" but half the values are for salt in milligrams and half the values are for sodium in milligrams, with nothing saying which measurement is used for each row? There is ~400 milligrams of sodium in 1000 milligrams of salt. 2001:470:1F09:1AAB:2496:F69C:C99C:3AA3 (talk) 02:59, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request: Naming History of the Big Big Mac
One of the most frequently asked historical questions about the Big Mac is "Who Named The Big Mac?". This information should be added to the "history" section of the Big Mac. The Big Mac had 2 previous names, both of which failed in the marketplace. The first name was "Aristocrat", which consumers found difficult to pronounce and understand. The second name was "Blue Ribbon Burger", but that failed to catch on with any meaningful sales either. The third name was the name "Big Mac", which was created by Esther Glickstein Rose, a 21-year-old Advertising Secretary who worked at McDonald’s Corporate Headquarters in Oak Brook, Illinois. This information has been verified by the McDonald's legal team in multiple media articles, such as this AP News Article on the topic: . McDonald's also recognizes Esther Glickstein Rose as the namer of the Big Mac in their "First Store Museum" in Des Plaines, Illinois. And Esther Glickstein Rose is covered by many other news articles, such as this one, which is archived by Penn State: . There are several photos of Esther Glickstein Rose on the web, holding the plaque that McDonald's gave her for naming the Big Mac. Here is one such photo: . Scott Rose (talk) 20:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Vaca  tion  9  13:16, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Big Mac Theory
Stated in the 8th Edition:Media & Culture text book, the “Big Mac” theory suggests that people are so addicted to mass-produced media menus that they lose their discriminating taste for finer fare and, much worse, their ability to see and challenge social inequities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwaysmovingforward (talk • contribs) 22:03, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request: Esther Rose and location of corporate office
Oops, minor mistake that I made regarding the location where Esther Rose named the Big Mac: When Esther Rose named the Big Mac in 1968, the McDonald's Corporate Headquarters was still located in Chicago, Illinois (not Oak Brook, Illinois). McDonald's didn't move their headquarters to Oak Brook until 1971. So Esther Rose actually named the Big Mac in Chicago, not Oak Brook.

Scott Rose (talk) 01:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request: New Big Mac range in Australia
There is a new Big Mac Based burger line in Australia, they are called Angus Mac and Son Of Mac

Should this be added in section 4, Variations?

Advertising, Australian edit
It states that in Australia in the 1980's the ran the Big Mac advertising offering a free Big Mac if you could say the slogan in an allocated time. While it was true they did this campaign, it offered a free coke, not a Big mac. Here's the proof: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.160.185 (talk) 18:50, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit request: Big Mac song coda
Sometimes the Big Mac song had a coda: "Bun bun bun." Can we please add this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.18.17 (talk) 00:58, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Repetition
The same sentence about what the burger consists of is both in the first part of the article, as well as in the part about... surprise - what it consists of. One of those should be removed.62.245.69.24 (talk) 10:12, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2014
Hello i'd like to add more countries for the chicken big mac Egypt source: http://www.mcdonaldsegypt.com/en/products-product/plain/page/274/cat/16/product/172/subcat/18 more countries: https://www.mcdonaldsarabia.com/content/en/product-nutrition-details.A_la_Carte.11.html

MasterDevil90 (talk) 21:31, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 00:11, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Consuming beef is not illegal in India
Cows are considered scared by Hindus, which account for 80% of India's population. Cattle slaughter is illegal is most states, but no Indian law explicitly bans the consumption of beef. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.104.162.13 (talk) 20:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2015
'Please change''The Big Mac had two previous names, both of which failed in the marketplace: the Aristocrat, which consumers found difficult to pronounce and understand, and Blue Ribbon Burger. The third name, Big Mac, was created by Esther Glickstein Rose, a 21-year-old advertising secretary who worked at McDonald’s corporate headquarters in Oak Brook, Illinois. Change to: The name Big Mac was created by Jim Delligatti and was the only name ever used for the sandwich.

Mtmxz (talk) 15:54, 22 September 2015 (UTC) My source is Jim Delligatti
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The current text has a published source, and you will need to find a published source for your suggested change.  RudolfRed (talk) 16:07, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2015
It is inaccurate that the "Double big mac" has over 1000 calories. http://www.mcdonalds.ca/ca/en/menu/full_menu/sandwiches/double_big_mac.html#/

It has only 680. Seriously... four small patties is about the same as a double quarter pounder which has 740 calories, so how could it have 1000? Sigh, wiki.

DownvoteVictim (talk) 05:34, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Perhaps someone misread the sodium content as the caloric content. But in any case, I've correct the information with your source used as a citation Cannolis (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 12 one external links on Big Mac. Please take a moment to review my edit. You may add after the link to keep me from modifying it, if I keep adding bad data, but formatting bugs should be reported instead. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether, but should be used as a last resort. I made the following changes:
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Dead links fix for Nutritional values per geographical location
The Romanian website points to PDF with nutritional values of all products, so it might be better to link to it than to product page. However, the URL seems like something not meant to be shared.

--Frzng (talk) 19:29, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Nutritional values for Israel
Source : McDonald's Israel website (scroll left in the products list until you see the Big Mac and click it)

Energy: 379 kcal

Carbohydrates: 36g

Protein: 26g

Fat (total): 14.4g

Dietary Fiber: 4g

Salt equivalent: 1480mg (582mg of Sodium)

Serving size: 209g

Hope this is helpful! 212.143.75.114 (talk) 16:01, 10 July 2016 (UTC) Uri S, Israel


 * Never mind. I see it now.  98.194.39.86 (talk) 20:49, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Health issues
This has nothing to do with the big mac in particular. I checked the source and other than in the headline it doesn't even mention the big mac. That McDonalds in unhealthy is well known and this article may be relevant to the wiki on McDonalds but seems out of place here. Furthermore, a judge ruling on it doesn't make it any more true so it's just a piece of trivia. If there are any (scientific) studies that deal with the big mac in particular they should be mentioned here but this seems irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckyball1 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Precursor?
Was this the first burger w/extra bun in the middle? Obviously the Club sandwich predates it but is this the first with burger patties? ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.5.117 (talk) 02:12, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Big Mac
Mr. Delligatti died on November 28, 2016 at his home in Fox Chapel, Pittsburgh, at the age of 98. 207.255.126.78 (talk) 04:24, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Grand Mac patties are 1/6 pound each, not 1/3 pound each.
Grand Mac patties are 1/6 pound each, not 1/3 pound each. Tljollie (talk) 04:29, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2017
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Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2017
I request to change the Big Mac reference picture to the new big mac, as seen in https://www.mcdonalds.com/content/dam/usa/documents/newbigmac/newbigmac2dt.jpg Elchung (talk) 21:09, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That picture is copyrighted and we can't have it on Wikipedia unless it is properly licensed. Please see the image use policy and copyright policy. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 21:20, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2018
Grand Big Mac and Mac Jr are currently available in Poland, so please include it in the Variants section Macdom (talk) 08:40, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2018
"The BIG MAC was invented in UNIONTOWN, Pennsylvania, at the Uniontown Shopping Center in the Morgantown Road McDonald's store ..NOT IN Pittsburgh" 207.255.100.251 (talk) 18:33, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2018
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Search Auto-Complete Vandalism for this article
Just thought you guys might want to know, when you start typing in "Big Mac" in the search field on English Wikipedia the auto-complete entry for Big Mac comes up with the caption/description "A hamburger made of cyanide and anthrax." Now, I'm no food expert, but I tend to doubt the accuracy of that statement. As I wasn't able to find that text in the source, Wikipedia must host that text somewhere other than the main Big Mac page and some of the same kind of individuals that caused this page to be locked in the first place have managed to find an alternate method of vandalizing. I'll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to try and fix/lock that text. 24.191.19.151 (talk) 08:01, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Update: Apparently, where I'm noticing the vandalism isn't, technically, the search autocomple but the "search suggest drop-down list". 24.191.19.151 (talk) 08:05, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * This likely has to do with Google's indexing. Searching for the exact phrase returns two articles at WikiVisually even though the phrase isn't present there, either. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 08:45, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Signature? Ummmm....no?
Article says Big Mac is one of Maccy D's "signature" products, and no it is not. Signature brand is quite new whereas the Big Mac was formulated and introduced a long time before. Here is a source. Addicted to Big Mac Meals (talk) 10:15, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Sup . "Signature" in this context does not refer to a particular brand, but, rather, a "flagship" product that is Distinctive, characteristic, indicative of identity, etc. Happy editing! Addicted to Quarter Pounder With Cheese Meals (talk) 10:38, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Then change to "flagship" which I cannot do. It will end the confusion for this product. Addicted to Big Mac Meals (talk) 10:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The sock is correct; "Signature" in the context of McDonald's refers to a specific product in certain markets. &#8209; Iridescent 13:11, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I understood that, although haven't indulged. But in the context of this article it means "flagship", rather than whatever McDonald's call it. Although I understand the potential confusion. It actually wasn't a bad suggestion from the sock, but WP:BMB, eh, ? :)   ——  SerialNumber  54129  13:23, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Although the "banned means banned" posturing appears in WP:Banning policy, it was unilaterally added by a single editor, not the result of some kind of significant consensus. The reality is far more nuanced, and we're generally very lenient of people sneaking under the wire provide they don't act disruptively; there's a lengthy current discussion here in which you may be interested. &#8209; Iridescent 13:49, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, a consensus of two anyway :) thanks, interesting links. This chap though, ; well, you've heard of "the stuff that dreams are made of"—for some, they're the stuff that RfAs are [hoped to be] made of.Since we can claim to have a consensus of 2½—even more than BMB got—I'll swap out "signature" for "flagship" to avoid the original confusion.  ——  SerialNumber  54129  14:25, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah! :)  ——  SerialNumber  54129  14:26, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2019
Hi, I would like to add the information about the Big Mac from Singapore as published here: https://www.mcdonalds.com.sg/food-menu/big-mac/. AnnualDegree99 (talk) 04:15, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2019
Previous edit request was declined for not being clear enough, so here's another attempt.

I would like to add the nutritional information for the Big Mac in Singapore, to the table under the section "Nutritional values per geographical location".

The values would be as follows:

Country: Singapore

Energy kcal: 522

Carbohydrates g: 43

Protien g: 28

Fat (total) g: 26

Dietary Fiber g: 3

Salt equivalent mg: 970

Serving size (weight) g: Not available

Reference: https://www.mcdonalds.com.sg/food-menu/big-mac/ AnnualDegree99 (talk) 03:37, 7 July 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅. --Surachit (talk) 04:53, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Edit request
The "hamburger" should be wikilinked.

Please change The Big Mac is a hamburger sold by international fast food restaurant chain McDonald's. to The Big Mac is a hamburger sold by international fast food restaurant chain McDonald's.

-- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 11:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 13:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding the Greek Mac as a variant
Probably not the best way to suggest a change but apologies I have never done this before.

The Greek Mac is a variant of the Big Mac that uses pita bread and a lemon sauce instead of bread buns and it is sold in Greece and Cyprus.

Ntebis (talk) 14:09, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

That's not a Big Mac in the picture
This picture does not show a Big Mac, but rather, a replication of some sort. A Big Mac's burger capacity would be leaking with grease and the cheese would most likely be quite moldy. Also, the cheese on that knockoff is clearly an individually wrapped "single". McDonald's doesn't use individually wrapped "singles", and neither does any other fast food joint that I know of (what a waste of time that would be; unwrapping every slice of cheese); they use cheese sliced from a block. "Singles" (e.g., Kraft Singles) are individually molded into their wrappers, giving them a distinctive appearance. On top of that, the bread doesn't look right, and there are at least three pickle slices in it, while a Big Mac only has two. Even if by some set of bizarre circumstances, the pictured burger did come from an actual McDonald's restaurant, it obviously does not represent the standard Big Mac configuration. – MaximRecoil (talk) 04:47, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * It looks as if the original photographer might have mistakenly uploaded a photograph of a Burger King Big King. It fits the description you give - cheese on top of the burger, three pickles. This all seems very picky, but Google's image search suggests that McDonalds really does mandate the appearance of the Big Mac that closely. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 18:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * That is a Big Mac in the picture, purchased from a McDonalds. I had asked for the cheese on the side so it wouldn't be melted when I took the picture, so I'd have an easier time arranging it.  I did make the mistake of putting the cheese on top of the burger, instead of the bottom, though.  Evan-Amos (talk) 18:49, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * You're right. The Big Macs I've seen in person never looked like that.  They're much smaller and don't look nearly that good.  Seems like false advertising to me.  Someone should post a real picture of a real Big Mac, from a random sample purchase.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.39.86 (talk) 20:44, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I've worked at both McD and BK, this is a Big King. Big Macs have the cheese slice rested on the bottom bun, as well as using tiny cubed onions instead of slivers. Can we fix this already? RT171195 (talk) 23:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I concur, this is not a photo of a Big Mac. Check the image in the pin button (lower down in the article), or look at a McDonald's published image on their website (https://www.mcdonalds.com/ca/en-ca/product/big-mac-sandwich.html).  The image in the article needs to be replaced. Christopher Rath (talk) 13:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I have replaced the photo with one of a real Big Mac. Christopher Rath (talk) 14:58, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't get it. For 10 years this page had a photo of a burger that wasn't a big mac.  I updated it to a photo of a real big mac and now I've got two different WP contributors trying to swap in alternate photos.  What's the deal? Christopher Rath (talk) 03:57, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Energy values
SI Units are kJ, but all energy values in this article are in kcal (sometimes with the kJ value in parenthesis). I'm new, please can someone tell me if this acceptable, or should it be corrected? Thanks! DorkyP (talk) 05:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Name

The source of the name from the burger is missing from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.111.229 (talk) 21:41, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Double Big Mac - Taiwan
Hello, Taiwan also has the Double Big Mac based on a promotional schedule. I linked a picture from the menu, but it was removed because of "advertising". Does there need to be a news article to be added? Here is a blog article talking about it: https://huablog.tw/mcdonalds-3/ I added it as such. Eclipsed830 (talk) 13:37, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

"Big Mac® Sauce" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Big Mac® Sauce and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 15 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. BD2412 T 04:45, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Product description in intro
Added 'all-' to 'beef', removed 'shredded' from 'lettuce', removed 'minced' from 'onions'. Added a 'citation needed' template to get a verifiable source that MacDonald's advertised Big Mac sauce as a "variation, type, kind, etc. of Thousand Island dressing or (in quotes) "special sauce".

First of all, stop WP:EDITWARring and use this talk page to discuss your desired edits; don't just repeatedly revert, or else you will be reported to an admin.

Second, as Luke Skywalker said to Kylo Ren: "None of that was correct":
 * The product description in the intro was originally based on the McDonald's jingle, but changed it to an obective description of the product's contents. You are not just reverting my edit, but his as well. His edit is in keeping with Wikipedia's requirement of a WP:Neutral point of view, not McDonald's point of view.
 * The patties may or may not in fact be "all-beef"; that would require citation of a reliable source.
 * The lettuce is in fact shredded, as can be clearly seen in the photo. (WP:SKYISBLUE)
 * The onions are in fact minced. (WP:SKYISBLUE)
 * Bug Mac sauce is not objectively recognized as "special"; that would require citation of a reliable source. The phrase "special sauce" is again, McDonald's point of view which must not be used in Wikipedia's voice. The article already documents that McDonald's calls it "special sauce". The quotes indicate Wikipedia is quoting McDonald's, not that McDonald's uses quotes,
 * The intro did not say that McDonald's advertises the sauce as a type of Thousand Island dressing. If you read the body of the article, you will find that the ad jingle is quoted verbatim and cited to a reliable source.
 * Big Mac sauce is based on mayonase with sweet pickle relish, yellow mustard, vinegar, garlic powder, onion powder and paprika. Thousand Island dressing is based on mayonase and can include finely chopped pickles, paprika, mustard, and vinegar; thus the sauce is in fact clearly a variation of Thousand Island dressing (WP:SKYISBLUE). And again, what counts here is objective fact, not McDonald's point of view.

You came late to the party; you don't seem to have read the entire article; are unfamiliar with its recent edit history; and you have refused to discuss your changes here to maintain the spirit of collaboration. JustinTime55 (talk) 18:21, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2022
Update the dead link for McDonalds Chile to https://www.mcdonalds.cl/productos/hamburguesas/big-mac alongside the information from the nutritional table:

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Justalemon (talk) 03:24, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Mvqr (talk) 11:10, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2022
Change the spelling of “advertized” to “advertised”. 73.212.210.20 (talk) 23:51, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Cannolis (talk) 00:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2023
(It appears portions have increased according to a few of the currently-reported nutritional analysis:) Please update as you see fit. I have found:

1. Australia : Update the dead link for McDonalds Australia's nutritional table: OLD: https://mcdonalds.com.au/sites/mcdonalds.com.au/files/Main%20Food%20Menu%20-%20Allergen%2C%20Ingredients%20and%20Nutrition%20Information-Dec-21.pdf NEW: https://mcdonalds.com.au/our-impact/food-quality-sourcing/nutrition (overview of all product nutritional tables - updates with changes when they are made / revised) https://mcdonalds.com.au/sites/mcdonalds.com.au/files/Main%20Food%20Menu%20-%20Allergen%2C%20Ingredients%20and%20Nutrition%20Information-May-23.pdf.pdf (direct link to current pdf)

2. Australia : Update Reference 47 "Nutrition Information". Australia. OLD: http://mcdonalds.com.au/our-food/menu/#/favourites/big-mac NEW: https://mcdonalds.com.au/our-impact/food-quality-sourcing/nutrition

3. USA : Update the dead link for McDonalds USA's nutritional table: OLD: http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/product_nutrition.sandwiches.255.Big-Mac.html NEW: https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/about-our-food/nutrition-calculator.html (dynamic page requires selection of burgers -> Big Mac in order to reveal values. extra data also available via json)

4. USA: Revise the values in the table under "Nutritional values per geographical location" for USA based on current values: OLD: Energy kcal: 540, Carbohydrates g: 47, Protein g: 25 , Fat (total) g: 28 , Dietary fiber g: 3 , Salt Equivalent mg: 2426 , Serving Size (weight) g: 215 NEW: Energy kcal: 590, Carbohydrates g: 46 , Protein g: 25 , Fat (total) g: 34 , Dietary fiber g: 3 , Salt Equivalent mg: 2625 , Serving Size (weight) g: n/a

5. Japan : Revise the values in the table under "Nutritional values per geographical location" for Japan based on current values: OLD: Energy kcal: 557, Carbohydrates g: 45.2 , Protein g: 25.5 , Fat (total) g: 30.5 , Dietary fiber g: n/a , Salt Equivalent mg: 2800 , Serving Size (weight) g: n/a NEW: Energy kcal: 526, Carbohydrates g: 41.9 , Protein g: 25.9 , Fat (total) g: 28.2 , Dietary fiber g: 2.6 , Salt Equivalent mg: 2500 , Serving Size (weight) g: 217

6. Modify the phrase under the "Nutritional values per geographical location" paragraph to correct the out-of-date values: OLD: The Big Mac is a geographically localized product. In the United States, the Big Mac has 550 kcal (2,300 kJ), 29 grams of fat and 25 grams of protein. In Australasia, the burger is slightly smaller with 493 kcal (2,060 kJ) and 26.9 grams of fat, but similar amounts of protein with 25.2 grams,[47] while the Japanese burger tops out the scales at 557 kcal and 30.5 grams of fat. Several McDonald's subsidiaries adapt the standard features of the Big Mac (from the US) to regional requirements.[48] NEW: The Big Mac is a geographically localized product. In the United States, the Big Mac has 590 kcal (2,480 kJ), 34 grams of fat and 25 grams of protein. In Australia, the burger is slightly smaller with 564 kcal (2,360 kJ) and 31.3 grams of fat, but slightly more protein at 26.9 grams,[47] while the Japanese burger contains 526 kcal (2,200 kJ), 28.2 grams of fat, and yet a similar 25.9 grams of protein. Several McDonald's subsidiaries adapt the standard features of the Big Mac (from the US) to regional requirements.[48]

(please feel free to retain the cite notes not added as markup in the above text. They are currently #47 #48 ("Nutritional Information" & "calories big mac") 206.83.114.124 (talk) 06:47, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * : I did suggestions 1 and 2; someone will propably do the rest. Many thanks for your suggestion! Handmeanotherbagofthemchips (talk) 10:02, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Not done: Handmeanotherbagofthemchips's edits were reverted by another user. As well, the OP's citations are self-published by McDonald's and are therefore not WP:RS. (The entire nutritional information table is all self-sourced, and should probably be removed on that basis, but not without discussion here ... I'll leave it to editors with more investment in this article to do so.) Xan747 (talk) 19:27, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2023
2600:6C56:6D00:3991:DC3B:CA6C:A872:BF3D (talk) 23:34, 28 August 2023 (UTC)It includes minors
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Text description doesn't match table
As heading. Calorific value of Big Mac in Australia has different value in text body compared to table. 2A02:C7C:5A14:EB00:7554:4573:FDA1:8AFC (talk) 19:40, 19 December 2023 (UTC)