Talk:Big the Cat

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Wasn't there already a thing on him in the "List of Minor Characters in Sonic"? This article is useles..

EDIT: Nevermind, it was apparently removed. Forget everything (DX)

This is a better more fuller article anyhow. And Tikal has one, and she appears less than Big. --anon

Age and Froggy's merge
Big is 19 years old, but 18 in Sonic Adventure. The Sonic Adventure guide is, "Official Sonic Adventure Strategy Guide". On it also says, "Sega Dreamcast" as well as "Bradygames". In the back of the guide, it says, "BradyGames" and "Sega", which might mean Sega and Bradygames made it together. Since Sega made it, it's officially canon and verifiable.

As for the Froggy section, it should be merged with Minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog because Froggy has his own section there, and Froggy is really about Big. --anon

Agree anon, just put a link in there, like seealso or main, and mention that Froggy is Big's travelling companion. Just a small summary would suffice. --DavidHOzAu 12:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, good idea, so I'll go and merge it. --anon

thanks for adding bigs own section, i think he deserved one :)

You're welcome, but actually, since I'm an anonymous person, someone had to make it for me (but I did write most of the information). I'm glad you like it! :) --anon

I posted it for Anon, but he wrote EVERYTHING. Thanks Anon! ~ Ultimate Perfect Chaos 03:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC) ~

Big in SA2 but not SA2:B
By proof do you mean that Big was not in SA2:B and was replaced with Dark Chao Walker, then you can look up Dark Chao Walker on the SA2:B Website, since i'm new at this and don't know how to add a link to a picture. If you mean Big being in SA2, then I can't provide any, but I do own the game and have seen him.

Oh, I get it! Big is in SA2, but not SA2:B. At first, I thought the article kept saying something like Big was replaced by the Dark Chao Walker in SA2. --anon nHe is in SA2:B,if you look closely,you can see him in some levels.

No he isn't, you can only see him in SA2:B during some cutscenes... press A a whole lot

Fleetway and links
First of all, what is the unofficial continuation of Sonic the Comic?

Second, what's wrong with the Concept-Mobius link? --71.104.187.141 21:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

The entire site runs on the belief that there is only one Sonic universe as opposed to many different universes (being different TV shows, video games, comics). - "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs

Uh, which question are you answering? --71.104.182.53 07:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Yours. - "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs 67.173.62.22 14:50, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, when I asked which question you were answering, I meant whether you were answering the question: "What is the unofficial continuation of Sonic the Comic?" Or this question: "What's wrong with the Concept-Mobius link?" --71.105.7.87 00:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh... both were yours... ^_^; The one about Concept: Mobius. - "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs 67.173.62.22 00:41, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, even if they think there's only one Sonic universe, it still has information about Big, such as abilities, weaknesses, what Big did in the games, where else Big appeared (such as in the comic book, show, etc.), and voice actors. --71.105.7.87 06:54, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. I had a discussion on the Sonic the Hedgehog talk page about it. Against my better judgement, I'll no longer edit the link out. The member made good points about it for Sonic's profile. - "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs 67.173.62.22 14:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

SO do you know what's the unofficial continuation of Sonic the Comic? --71.104.180.139 19:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a comic that is not considered part of the game series, but it is about Sonic and has adaptions of the games.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 22:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * See, some people decided to continue making Sonic the Comic online after it ended around the time of Sonic Adventure. You can find it through a search engine.  I don't know where it is though, but I've seen it. - "Tails Ohki" from GameFAQs 67.173.62.22 23:07, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Then it's actually a fanfic and shouldn't be in the article!...Right? --71.104.176.177 05:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Criticism
Is the criticism true? It really needs a source! --71.118.83.254 07:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Well i don't have a direct scource yet but Concept Mobius mentions how few fans he has (even though he likes big). That interview that i reffered too is a Gamespot exlusive that you can find on Gamespot's Sonic Adventure DX page and i once put a poll on a sonic fansite about which Sonic Char is the worst and big got 50% of the vote the rest of the votes of the characters only had 1 or 2 votes. ill put references to both later -Yadrin

Big the censored
A few days ago I found that in the criticism page the word "homosexual" was replaced by "censured". "Homosexual" is not a curse word in the normal sense of it so that's why I put it back. Plainnym

Sonic Heroes
I changed the part saying Sega did pay attention the criticism about Big, because he was in fact in Sonic Heroes. In Team Rose he was the 'power' character.--Soetermans 11:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Theme Songs
Shouldn't we add Big's theme songs, like we have done to every other character?

Unreliable sources
TSSZNews is a Sonic fansite, not a reliable source, and Ryan Bloom's non-notable review of Sonic Adventure 2 HD doesn't even mention Big in the main text. (Bloom only refers to Big in a screenshot caption reading "Okay, so they put Big the Cat back in – but where’s my green x-boxes?"--which should give you a good idea of how significant this "coverage" of Big really is.) Jason Berry of The Sonic Stadium, another unreliable fansite, did report in 2012 that Iizuka saw no further use for Big; but the other cited source, Angelo D'Argenio of Cheat Code Central, says only that "Sonic has been lacking in the past few years, but, at the very least, Sonic Team has had the good sense to not bring this character back." I see no reason to doubt that Iizuka said what is claimed, but in the absence of a reliable source, I really don't think Wikipedia should be making any sweeping statements about Big's "dead weight" pulling down the franchise.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 05:49, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I've removed Bloom's review altogether—you're right; I'd forgotten about the nature of TSSZ—and I've reworded the statement about Sega removing Big. And yeah, I know that the Cheat Code Central one doesn't mention everything Sonic Stadium does, but I just wanted to add something else to back it up just in case. (Technically, it was determined in a recent WT:VG discussion that interviews from non-reliable sources can be acceptable, but I wanted to be sure.) Tezero (talk) 16:17, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The lead says Big was "Created to justify the existing use of a fishing peripheral for the Dreamcast console," but this is contradicted elsewhere in the article. How do we know what the lead says is true? (I honestly don't even remember Sonic Adventure being compatible with the fishing rod....)TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:29, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Where is this contradicted? I can't speak to whether Big actually uses that peripheral, as I've only played the Steam port of DX and a few of Sonic's levels on the Dreamcast. If indeed he doesn't, maybe Sonic Team intended him to but scrapped the idea. Tezero (talk) 18:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Where is this supported? Outside of the lead, the article says only "Rumors persist that Big was created to capitalize on the Dreamcast's fishing peripheral, but Iizuka has insisted that Big was conceived before the peripheral was" (citing an interview by Gerjet Betker of Gamers Global). As far as I can see, no cited sources support the text in the lead.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:09, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ohhhhh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I've been meaning to redo the lead entirely—I wrote it when the article was mostly just the first and last sections with "expand" tags in the middle—so I'll clear up that ambiguity. Tezero (talk) 19:18, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Notability
Please see Talk:List of Sonic the Hedgehog video game characters for a notability discussion that pertains to this article and its series czar ♔  04:26, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Jim Stirling's article says that Tails is the worst sonic character
On the second page for Tails it says "The final and most important entrant into this list of the top 10 worst Sonic friends is the one that started it all: Miles "Tails" Prower. ... Tails is the worst Sonic friend ever because he started it all."

The list isn't even stated to be in any particular order

http://web.archive.org/web/20131101120757/http://www.gamesradar.com/the-10-worst-sonic-friends/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.47.106.28 (talk) 20:00, 1 September 2015 (UTC)