Talk:Bikini waxing/Archive 1

Quick Question
Is the picture really necessary? Even if one ignores the fact it is borderline pornographic, there is still the matter that there is almost no information about the picture listed (is it taken from somewhere? does it fall under free use?) and it is almost entirely unnecessary. Even if we accept that the article needs a picture, does it have to be anything other than a drawing? 71.202.83.171 00:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

See Image discussion below. Do not reply further here. I added a sizing code to the image so that its prominence on the page can be reduced by any editor. It can be made smaller by lowering the number. I agree that a large image is inappropriate and I note that in all of the references I added (most are mine) are for articles that use no picture when discussing Brazilian waxing. 5Q5 17:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Does it hurt?
How much does it really hurt to get a Brazilian Wax? And can an esthetician outline the steps that a customer should take prior to coming and what it will be like?

An asprin might help. --WikiCats 14:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

well yes it does hurt quite a lot, but dont you know that saying, 'no pain, no gain' so yes for a clean clear feeling you do have to face a lot of pain and discomfort. I remember how distasteful the pain was when i got my bikini line waxing for the first time. but you know this article [www.geoamaan.com/entry/4/46/ Bikini Line Waxing]has helped me a lot. It discusses all about bikini line waxing.

While I've no practical experience in this, asprin wouldn't be a good idea - it promotes bleeding. A non-asprin pain reliever would be smarter. --Lepeu1999 14:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

It does hurt ALOT at first but it truly only lasts a few seconds/minutes. The waxer does go over the steps prior to making an appointment for you and she does go over it AGAIN when you come in to make sure that this is absolutely what you want. Just be aware, you will be in pain and it will only last a few minutes. The aftercare instructions are VERY important to ease any discomfort you may have afterwards. Plus, it's also important to keep up with your appointments. I cannot emphasize anymore than that.

As a guy who just had this done, I would say that its not nearly as bad as some would have you believe. My waxer hooked me up with some topical numbing cream which totally did the trick for me, sure it still hurts but not to the point of screaming and kicking. It was relatively easy, took about an hour and a half.
 * Please note the following: a) sign your posts by typing four tildes (~); b) this page is for discussion of the article, not discussion of the topic; c) please start a new section for new discussion topics (the + at the top of the screen will do so), or if you are adding to an existing discussion use the : to indent your entry, so it can be differentiated from the contributions of other editors. Anchoress 05:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

As Anchoress stated, this is NOT a forum according to Wikipedia This question section should be removed from the talk page in my mind, otherwise it might contribute to more FAQ type sections which Wikipedia is not. CrazyRob926 12:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Citation
The link right after the line about hair on Middle Eastern women being considered unhygenic or unattractive or whatever (near the bottom of the firs paragraph, number 2 right now, links to an Australian waxing article), doesn't verify any of the preceding information. --Anchoress 13:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed all the citations. They (about 8 of them) were all links to the same tiny article. There is a bit of info in the article, but it does not support the specific information the links were supposedly citing. Also, weirdly, the same link was inserted about 6 times in a row. It seems more like spam than actual citation. The link is still in the external links section. Anchoress 14:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

American Pie Reference
Isn't the american pie reference a bit useless. At no point does it mention that the area is bare because of a Brazilian wax? IF that passes as a source, then we could add the episode of Coupling where Gina Bellman's character is the same (great line - Steve: "If you think that you can get me back by stripping you must be completely" (looks down)" and totally shaven". (whoops...forgot to sign) Sabalon 00:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the american pie reference is useless too. Slawdogg 09:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Slawdogg

The American Pie reference should be removed; it is not even related to Brazilian waxing. The Jennifer Aniston reference should be stricken as well, or at least moved to a "cultural references" section. --Kiyoshi67 22:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Image discussion
Weird that the pic was outlined w/a suggestion to discuss it, but no discussion was started.

Anyways, I don't have any problem with a pic of a brazilian wax, but that particular pic isn't a good example, IMO. There are some good pics on the labia page. Maybe we could use one of those. Anchoress 06:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It is an entirely appropriate picture.--87.65.175.96 20:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * How can you say it's an appropriate picture? It doesn't show a Brazilian wax. The model's mons are almost entirely in shadow, and her perenium isn't showing at all. A Brazilian includes not just the mons, but the area around the vagina and anus. We need to show that in order to actually demonstrate a Brazilian, otherwise it's just a nudie pic. Anchoress 02:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Should we get rid of the picture featured there? It's one thing to show breasts, but genitals too? 68.163.156.51 05:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a page about brazilian waxing. If we do not show genitals, we simply cannot have a picture to illustrate the article.--Gruk 20:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * IMO these photos are totally unnecessary and are just an excuse to load the encyclopaedia up with gratuitous nudity - they're not encyclopaedic in any shape or form. Call me a prude if you like.  One is more than enough and there's no need for tits as well, so I've replaced it with a cropped version. But frankly I'd prefer none. &mdash; Moondyne 02:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * IMHO, the pic is a good example of a brazilian wax. It is tasteful and there is no way to illustrate a wax with out nudity. Slawdogg 10:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Slawdogg
 * It isn't, tho. First, it isn't close up enough to show whether it's a wax job or just a shave, and second, just missing hair on the mons doesn't equal a Brazilian, even if it is a wax job. Anchoress 10:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that this picture is very useful, but perhaps a before and after shot may be better? 220.101.34.84 12:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

The image on the german article seems to be of higher quality and somewhat less graphic at the same time. May be it can be used here? 68.183.61.79 07:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * How do you know that it's a Brazilian tho? How do you even know it's a wax job? I agree with the comment somewhere on this page that it should be a during shot of the whole perenium - perhaps with the little paper g-string the technicians use. I have no probs with nude pics on this site, but just a pic of a bare muff isn't an illustration of a Brazilian wax job. Anchoress 08:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a size code to the image template and reduced the image size to make the article more suitable (and legal in many places) for viewing in public libraries. The image can be clicked on to enlarge. 5Q5 17:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Removing Bottem image
I am removing the bottem image because:


 * 1) It is not focusing on the type of wax job but instead looks just like nudity.
 * 2) It is obvious that it is not a wax, but instead is a shave job. (the image title is even "All Shaved")

-Unloud 13:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Paper G-string?
If the woman is wearing a paper G-string how can you reach to wax?

2006-12-02 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

I disagree
I am Brazilian, and I got very surprised the first time I've heard this "Brazilian Waxing" for the first time, a couple of years ago. The reason was because I don't recall that waxing all the pubic hair and leaving a small line of hair above the vulva was ever popular in Brazil. The Brazilian girls do wax and shave, but not leaving a line above the vulva.

Also, the thong shown in the picuture, which back is just a line, was never, never, never considered "fashion" in Brazil, neither as underware or to use on the beach. I have seen this type of thong in many different countries I've visited, but not in Brazil. A thong like that in Brazil would even look tacky. I've seen many differnt types of thongs and bikinis and panties in Brazil, including the small ones, but never like that one. Brazilian bikinis are typically smaller than the regular bikinis in US or Europe, but bigger than what is usually called "thong" out of Brazil.

"Brazilian Waxing" sounds to me like something that was invented somewhere else and someone decided to call "Brazilian" for some reason.

I can be wrong, but this is what I know from my personal experience. I would even like to hear other Brazilians opinion in this discussion. Any other Brazilian around?

Revise External Links On This Page
The external links provided on this page do not serve the purpose, they are not even relevent. In my own suggestion I would want to have this link http://www.geoamaan.com/index.php?View=entry&CategoryID=4&EntryID=46 Methods Of Bikini Line Waxing be placed under external links heading as its very informative as far as bikiniline waxing is concerned.hope you will take notice of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.162.253 (talk • contribs)
 * I haven't looked at the article links yet, but the external links guidelines advise against adding links unless they contain information that could not be added to the article, which does not seems to be the case with the link you have suggested. If the other article links are not relevant, then by all means remove them. Kevin 04:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that I have looked at the page, I see that there are no external links anyway, except those that are part of the references section, where they are there to support individual statements. Kevin 04:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Growing in popularity?
I am just wondering is this procedure gaining in popularity? It seems to me that it has gained a mainstream acceptance in many countries over the past few years. Porn has played a large role in the development of bikini waxes, I believe. Albert Cheng 01:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

VfD
On April 26, this article was nominated for deletion. The discussion can be found at Votes for deletion/Bikini line. The result was keep. &mdash; Xezbeth 18:45, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Panty line
I moved it to panty lines because I realized that it's almost always used in the plural, not the singular.


 * I've experienced otherwise, and it's Wikipedia standard not to. Anyway, a redirect exists, so, it's not such a big deal. Dysprosia 08:49, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * In earlier times I experienced exclusively VPL. "Panty lines" is a more recent distortion by illiterate civilians who even don't remember the origins of "OK". Mikkalai 15:45, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Alright, so enlighten me: What is the origin of "OK"? I researched it long ago and my sources all concluded that the origin was obscure. Matt gies 11:42, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * A brief google search surprised me with the comeback of the VPL acronym. No wonder it will be if some profitteer will attempt to copyright the term. :-)

vpl
The term goes back to a Woody Allen movie of the 1970s, maybe further.

Merge
I do understand that a separate article for Brazilian waxing is a sexier idea than merging it into Bikini waxing. But, why is it really necessary to have a separate article on the Brazilian kind, and not the more common French or American kind? The question becomes even more important when that separate article fills up with a lot of unencyclopedic extravaganza. Like the long footnotes and the user's manual, as well as some advertising for Brazilian waxing. Aditya (talk • contribs) 21:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Quick Question
Is the picture really necessary? Even if one ignores the fact it is borderline pornographic, there is still the matter that there is almost no information about the picture listed (is it taken from somewhere? does it fall under free use?) and it is almost entirely unnecessary. Even if we accept that the article needs a picture, does it have to be anything other than a drawing? 71.202.83.171 00:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

See Image discussion below. Do not reply further here. I added a sizing code to the image so that its prominence on the page can be reduced by any editor. It can be made smaller by lowering the number. I agree that a large image is inappropriate and I note that in all of the references I added (most are mine) are for articles that use no picture when discussing Brazilian waxing. 5Q5 17:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Does it hurt?
How much does it really hurt to get a Brazilian Wax? And can an esthetician outline the steps that a customer should take prior to coming and what it will be like?

An asprin might help. --WikiCats 14:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

well yes it does hurt quite a lot, but dont you know that saying, 'no pain, no gain' so yes for a clean clear feeling you do have to face a lot of pain and discomfort. I remember how distasteful the pain was when i got my bikini line waxing for the first time. but you know this article [www.geoamaan.com/entry/4/46/ Bikini Line Waxing]has helped me a lot. It discusses all about bikini line waxing.

While I've no practical experience in this, asprin wouldn't be a good idea - it promotes bleeding. A non-asprin pain reliever would be smarter. --Lepeu1999 14:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

It does hurt ALOT at first but it truly only lasts a few seconds/minutes. The waxer does go over the steps prior to making an appointment for you and she does go over it AGAIN when you come in to make sure that this is absolutely what you want. Just be aware, you will be in pain and it will only last a few minutes. The aftercare instructions are VERY important to ease any discomfort you may have afterwards. Plus, it's also important to keep up with your appointments. I cannot emphasize anymore than that.

As a guy who just had this done, I would say that its not nearly as bad as some would have you believe. My waxer hooked me up with some topical numbing cream which totally did the trick for me, sure it still hurts but not to the point of screaming and kicking. It was relatively easy, took about an hour and a half.
 * Please note the following: a) sign your posts by typing four tildes (~); b) this page is for discussion of the article, not discussion of the topic; c) please start a new section for new discussion topics (the + at the top of the screen will do so), or if you are adding to an existing discussion use the : to indent your entry, so it can be differentiated from the contributions of other editors. Anchoress 05:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

As Anchoress stated, this is NOT a forum according to Wikipedia This question section should be removed from the talk page in my mind, otherwise it might contribute to more FAQ type sections which Wikipedia is not. CrazyRob926 12:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Citation
The link right after the line about hair on Middle Eastern women being considered unhygenic or unattractive or whatever (near the bottom of the firs paragraph, number 2 right now, links to an Australian waxing article), doesn't verify any of the preceding information. --Anchoress 13:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed all the citations. They (about 8 of them) were all links to the same tiny article. There is a bit of info in the article, but it does not support the specific information the links were supposedly citing. Also, weirdly, the same link was inserted about 6 times in a row. It seems more like spam than actual citation. The link is still in the external links section. Anchoress 14:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

American Pie Reference
Isn't the american pie reference a bit useless. At no point does it mention that the area is bare because of a Brazilian wax? IF that passes as a source, then we could add the episode of Coupling where Gina Bellman's character is the same (great line - Steve: "If you think that you can get me back by stripping you must be completely" (looks down)" and totally shaven". (whoops...forgot to sign) Sabalon 00:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the american pie reference is useless too. Slawdogg 09:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Slawdogg

The American Pie reference should be removed; it is not even related to Brazilian waxing. The Jennifer Aniston reference should be stricken as well, or at least moved to a "cultural references" section. --Kiyoshi67 22:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Image discussion
Weird that the pic was outlined w/a suggestion to discuss it, but no discussion was started.

Anyways, I don't have any problem with a pic of a brazilian wax, but that particular pic isn't a good example, IMO. There are some good pics on the labia page. Maybe we could use one of those. Anchoress 06:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It is an entirely appropriate picture.--87.65.175.96 20:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * How can you say it's an appropriate picture? It doesn't show a Brazilian wax. The model's mons are almost entirely in shadow, and her perenium isn't showing at all. A Brazilian includes not just the mons, but the area around the vagina and anus. We need to show that in order to actually demonstrate a Brazilian, otherwise it's just a nudie pic. Anchoress 02:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Should we get rid of the picture featured there? It's one thing to show breasts, but genitals too? 68.163.156.51 05:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a page about brazilian waxing. If we do not show genitals, we simply cannot have a picture to illustrate the article.--Gruk 20:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * IMO these photos are totally unnecessary and are just an excuse to load the encyclopaedia up with gratuitous nudity - they're not encyclopaedic in any shape or form. Call me a prude if you like.  One is more than enough and there's no need for tits as well, so I've replaced it with a cropped version. But frankly I'd prefer none. &mdash; Moondyne 02:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * IMHO, the pic is a good example of a brazilian wax. It is tasteful and there is no way to illustrate a wax with out nudity. Slawdogg 10:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)Slawdogg
 * It isn't, tho. First, it isn't close up enough to show whether it's a wax job or just a shave, and second, just missing hair on the mons doesn't equal a Brazilian, even if it is a wax job. Anchoress 10:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that this picture is very useful, but perhaps a before and after shot may be better? 220.101.34.84 12:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

The image on the german article seems to be of higher quality and somewhat less graphic at the same time. May be it can be used here? 68.183.61.79 07:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * How do you know that it's a Brazilian tho? How do you even know it's a wax job? I agree with the comment somewhere on this page that it should be a during shot of the whole perenium - perhaps with the little paper g-string the technicians use. I have no probs with nude pics on this site, but just a pic of a bare muff isn't an illustration of a Brazilian wax job. Anchoress 08:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a size code to the image template and reduced the image size to make the article more suitable (and legal in many places) for viewing in public libraries. The image can be clicked on to enlarge. 5Q5 17:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Removing Bottem image
I am removing the bottem image because:


 * 1) It is not focusing on the type of wax job but instead looks just like nudity.
 * 2) It is obvious that it is not a wax, but instead is a shave job. (the image title is even "All Shaved")

-Unloud 13:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Paper G-string?
If the woman is wearing a paper G-string how can you reach to wax?

2006-12-02 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

I disagree
I am Brazilian, and I got very surprised the first time I've heard this "Brazilian Waxing" for the first time, a couple of years ago. The reason was because I don't recall that waxing all the pubic hair and leaving a small line of hair above the vulva was ever popular in Brazil. The Brazilian girls do wax and shave, but not leaving a line above the vulva.

Also, the thong shown in the picuture, which back is just a line, was never, never, never considered "fashion" in Brazil, neither as underware or to use on the beach. I have seen this type of thong in many different countries I've visited, but not in Brazil. A thong like that in Brazil would even look tacky. I've seen many differnt types of thongs and bikinis and panties in Brazil, including the small ones, but never like that one. Brazilian bikinis are typically smaller than the regular bikinis in US or Europe, but bigger than what is usually called "thong" out of Brazil.

"Brazilian Waxing" sounds to me like something that was invented somewhere else and someone decided to call "Brazilian" for some reason.

I can be wrong, but this is what I know from my personal experience. I would even like to hear other Brazilians opinion in this discussion. Any other Brazilian around?

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Revise External Links On This Page
The external links provided on this page do not serve the purpose, they are not even relevent. In my own suggestion I would want to have this link http://www.geoamaan.com/index.php?View=entry&CategoryID=4&EntryID=46 Methods Of Bikini Line Waxing be placed under external links heading as its very informative as far as bikiniline waxing is concerned.hope you will take notice of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.162.253 (talk • contribs)
 * I haven't looked at the article links yet, but the external links guidelines advise against adding links unless they contain information that could not be added to the article, which does not seems to be the case with the link you have suggested. If the other article links are not relevant, then by all means remove them. Kevin 04:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that I have looked at the page, I see that there are no external links anyway, except those that are part of the references section, where they are there to support individual statements. Kevin 04:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Growing in popularity?
I am just wondering is this procedure gaining in popularity? It seems to me that it has gained a mainstream acceptance in many countries over the past few years. Porn has played a large role in the development of bikini waxes, I believe. Albert Cheng 01:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Is this really necessary?
A certified aesthetician should always act in an entirely professional manner. Examples of non-professionalism include: 1. Non glove wearing 2. Stray hair leaving 3. The use of the tongue to test for smoothness 4. The use of a camera 5. Slipping the finger in

Never use an aesthetician/beautician who adopts such practices. They are probably a registered sex offender. justicemanlolz —Preceding comment was added at 03:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)