Talk:Bile/Archive 1

Whence the bitter taste?
Which substance is responsible for the extremely bitter taste of bile? Icek 05:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Should mention bile toxins
Bile contains many toxins from the liver. Normally, they're bound to glutathione, glucuronic acid, Acetyl-CoA, or various amino acids. Bile also contains straight gluthathione (aka GSH). Reportedly, GSH accounts for up to 60% of all liver metabolites found in bile. [| Paris Kidd] Page Notes 16:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Is this a stub?
Isn't this a stub? Moabalan.


 * Nope, though not complete it is far from a stub now. WLU 14:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Bitter or bitter-tasting?
This article begins with, "Bile (or gall) is a bitter, yellow or green alkaline fluid..." I think this should instead read, "Bile (or gall) is a bitter-tasting, yellow or green alkaline fluid..." or, "Bile (or gall) is a yellow or green alkaline fluid with a bitter taste..." to eliminate any ambiguity that "bitter" refers to the taste of bile. I wouldn't expect anyone to taste bile to identify it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.91.34.187 (talk) 22:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

poiujpo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.84.90.28 (talk) 19:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Jaundice
Jaundice should be mentioned here as a condition of bile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.40.74 (talk) 02:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Bile breaks up fat
Bile is a substance that breakes up fat particles produced by the liver. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.11.40 (talk) 01:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

"Yellow" and "black" bile
"Yellow and black bile were two of the four vital fluids [...]" -- Ok, the article states that bile is yellowish-green. So, what is black bile? Simon A. 18:14, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * That is explained in the rest of the sentence you marked with [...]. See the four humours. It's not an actual liquid produced by the body, but fluids thought to exist around 400 BC. - Jugalator 11:15, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't think that it's made clear that yellow/black bile are not real substances. It says that they were "two of the four vital fluids or humors of ancient and medieval Greco-Roman alternative medicine".  It doesn't say that they are not currently accepted to exist.  For example, the Sun is central to some mythologies, but we do believe that the Sun exists.  I would change this, but I don't have a citation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.88.103.253 (talk) 18:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What is meant by "ancient and medieval Greco-Roman alternative medicine"? Weren't the four humors part of the medicine of the time rather than alternative?--209.7.195.158 (talk) 13:47, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

CCK, bile ducts, gallbladder, bicarbonate, pancrease
What a bad page. I'm too lazy to edit it. Says nothing about CCK, movement of bile into hepatic ducts, into gallbladder, then into common bile duct into duodenum, with bicarbonate and digestive enzymes from pancrease assisting digestion of food in small intestine. --Anonymous


 * Some of that info appears to have been added since this post. Are all those items OK now? --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 23:37, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Bile from chickens?
Hey, doesn't bile come from chickens? --Stranger


 * Chickens indeed produce bile, like most animals. --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 23:39, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Artificially smaller micelles
This sentence should be better explained: "However, it is possible for these [micelles in the duodenum] to be much smaller, as small as 160 nm when using artificial means." All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 00:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Constituents
The introductory section gives some information about bile constituent, but more detailed information would be interesting (what're the 10% "gall salts"?). The section on physiological functions should provide more information connecting the constituents to functions. The article on taurine claims it to be a major bile constituent, yet it is not mentioned in the bile article.

There should also be a difference between hepatic bile and gall-bladder bile, as gall-bladder bil is more concentrated and the water content drops from 97% -> 85%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.227.15.253 (talk) 09:24, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Color of the missing donkey?
The lede says that bile is a "yellowish, blue and green fluid". Since blue and yellow are complementary colors, this seems quite a feat. It would seem that bile has "the color of the donkey when it runs away", as they say down here. This point deserves a more detailed and authoritative explanation. Unfortunately I do not know enough to fix the sentence myself. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 23:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * bile is yellow —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.172.75 (talk) 07:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it is yellowish, blueish, greenish and brownish. I've been vomiting it for a few hours now, and it keeps changing its colour. It started being mustardy, then yellowish-green (like the colour of a skin of an unripe banana -- wondering if it would glow in the dark), and at the end it's been brownish (like in a mixture of that yellow-green with brown). In between the coloured states, I got clean saliva (a few times). Hope this answers your colour question; and yes, it's as bitter as hell, and stinky too -- think of dry cat food ground and mixed with dry ground fish.
 * (Have no idea what triggered such a response in my gut this morning, but about 15 years ago I had a pancreatic ulcer, and every time when I vomited, it was this nasty bitter stuff. No such symptoms this time.) Oh, yes, and the texture, think of an egg-yolk, although perhaps with less density -- don't know, held it in my hand this morning while on my way from a gallery to a washroom, but wasn't into analyzing it, just keeping it under control:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.97.66 (talk) 19:57, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Utterly immaterial to the sincere question posted. Can someone address Jorge Stolfi?

taste?
Do people actually taste this stuff? It sounds like a gross thing to do. Is it really necessary to have the bitterness of bile as the first fact of the article?--68.193.135.139 (talk) 06:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * It's as bitter as hell, and stinky too -- think of dry cat food ground and mixed with dry ground fish. No, I wasn't tasting it, but it comes out of ones mouth, so obviously, the taste receptors quickly try to identify the present. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.97.66 (talk) 20:00, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Mr 76.64.97.66's vomitous offerings should be redlined as immaterial to a substantial discussion. (See his more extensive "contribution" above.) The matter of taste predates modern scientific methods of analysis, from an era where tasting was (unfortunately) a fairly standard means of characterizing substances. Having this as an opening fact is reasonable to question.

Untitled
I've been hunting around online to find this out but I haven't been able to spot a definitive answer.

The chemical constituents of bile are quite clearly outlined in this article, but what about the biotic components of it? Is it actually completely sterile? We know that in the stomachs of all mammals, there are tons of both benign and helpful bacteria, which can help to produce and regulate digestive enzymes. Does anyone have info on this? Koyae (talk) 02:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

How Bile is produced
This should be included: how Bile is produced 129.180.1.214 (talk) 14:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:OVERLINK
Greetings! I did the following changes to the article:

Blood did not define "Blood (humor)" at all.

Phlegm redirected to Phlegm#Phlegm and humourism

Yellow bile was redirecting to anger. However, anger has been described as a mere consequence of excess yellow bile; the link is not pertaining to "yellow pile" itself.

Greek was mentioned 2x or more.

Excesses of the last two humors were thought to produce aggression and depression, respectively; and the Greek names for them gave rise to the English words cholera and melancholia.: added. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 10:02, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Reality of yellow bile and ichor
Note: I havn't made this change myself, as I'm not keen on getting the wording right and all.

The final paragraph on this article calls "yellow bile" Ichor. Ichor's page speaks of a mythical mineral in the blood of Gods, or something similiar. This sentence makes it sound more like it's real though.

The wikipedia article on Bilirubin mentions that a component of Bile, Bilirubin, is yellow in colour. Is this what the writer meant by it?

''Bilirubin is a yellow breakdown product of haem (heme in American English). Haem is a special ring shaped molecule that is found in haemoglobin. The haem ring holds the iron atoms of haem and is essential to the oxygen carrying capacity of blood.'' 24.76.141.132 22:14, 8 March 2005 (UTC)


 * No, Ichor refers to the four humors view of "bile". It has no relationship with the bile we know, which is actually green more than yellow. JFW | T@lk  23:02, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Some sort of clear seperation between the section on the humours view on bile and the other part might be useful. 24.76.141.132 (Offtopic: look at me, my IP remains static! Frightening from a normal consumer ISP.)


 * Thanks for the addition. --24.76.141.132 02:30, 22 March 2005 (UTC)

Bears in Chinese medicine
Can someone make an article about using bear's bile in the making of a chinese traditional medicine? it's cruel.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.78.254.243 (talk) 19:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You can. --Anonymous? Moabalan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.150.89.225 (talk) 16:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)