Talk:Bill Bradbury/Archive 1


 * Sorry for recreating this page after it was deleted, but I was wikifying it and didnt know what Criteria A8 was. What seems to be the problem? Article is verifiable and seems notable. Jdcooper 14:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * And with regards to the copyvio issue, this text must be public domain, its recreated all over the internet. The only problem is wikifying it to wikipedia format and style. I will have a go at that, but we should have articles on people like this. Jdcooper 15:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Criteria A8??? I'm new at this so please explain?? Aren't government pages public domain??? The info is pretty standard bio; most of it from Bradbury's own gov. web page and seems widely available elsewhere. Just trying to fix a broken link :) P.S. Thanks for the Wikification ... I'll follow it as a model for future pages. --NorthernJudy 17:56, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, I agree with you, it was deleted while I was wikifying it. A8 means it is a copyright violation, which is pretty much the most serious thing an article can be, but I don't see how it can be a copyright violation, so it should be ok! Jdcooper 18:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, it is A8 - see http://www.sos.state.or.us/executive/who/bill.htm --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 19:25, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, state government websites are not in the public domain. Please write an original article. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 19:28, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Whereabouts on that link does it show that that text is copyrighted? I have recreated this article on a notable person with rudimentary information, but there are only so many ways you can write the limited information we are allowed to write. Jdcooper 01:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I've written for permission to use the information. How can one tell it is copyrighted? Doesn't there need to be a display of that info somewhere at the site. --NorthernJudy 20:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Copyright is automatic and implicit unless stated otherwise. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 11:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a reference for that? I checked the US copyright site and it didn't seem to say that but I'm no lawyer. Thanks for any info. --NorthernJudy 23:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

 I do not know what you mean by "US copyright site" and it frankly does not matter. Copyright is automatic (that would be the Berne Convention of 1886, thank you), and the only state whose publications are in the public domain is California. See Copyright FAQ for more. There is nothing more you can say on this matter - write an original article and don't copy others' work - this is a very good rule to live by here, even if the original is in the public domain. It keeps the product original and is better for The Project. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 01:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes mas'sa Jdcooper 03:34, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

''The Congress makes the following declarations:

(1) The Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, signed at Berne, Switzerland, on September 9, 1886, and all acts, protocols, and revisions thereto (hereafter in this Act referred to as the ?Berne Convention") are not self-executing under the Constitution and laws of the United States.''

The US Copyright site - and specific to Berne. 

The purpose of fixing a broken link has been fixed (now by others) and that was the limit of my interest in Mr. Bradbury. But the copyright issue is interesting.

''Fair use. Fair use is one of the most important, and least clear cut, limits to copyright. It permits some use of others' works even without approval. But when? Words like "fair" or "reasonable" cannot be precisely defined, but here are a few benchmarks.

Uses that advance public interests such as criticism, education or scholarship are favored -- particularly if little of another's work is copied.''



Basic bio on a public figure is what I would consider a tiny, mundane portion of the site in question. I thought I was being considerably thoughtful of the gentleman's feelings to use a paragraph of his self-description since what I would have written (with great originality, veracity, and brilliance) about his life, particularly the handling of petitions in 2004, would have been less complimentary. :)  --NorthernJudy 13:35, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Press photo & release requested
I sent a formal request today to Mary Conley, Secretary Bradbury's press officer, for a press photo and permission for its release under the GFDL. Not holding breath, although Education Superintendent Castillo's press secretary honored an identical request promptly. -- J-M Jgilhousen 00:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)