Talk:Bill Shankly

Denis Law prediction
On the Denis Law page it says he was transferred to Torino for 110,000 pounds. Should this not be listed as a fulfillment of the prediction then, instead of just the later move back to England with Manchester United? Icedwater (talk) 20:14, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Untitled
Added stuff re. early years, now to do Glenbuck

Life and death Quote
The version of the "life and death" quote here is different to that on Wikiquote. Would someone be able to track down which one is right? -- Hongooi 12:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The one that was here is the correct version. I fixed the WikiQuote version (which someone had changed from the correct version last year) Jooler 12:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Subsequent events (Heysel, Hillsborough) have made this remark much less quotable of course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haroldsomers (talk • contribs) 11:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Boot Room
Don't mean to be pedantic, but why is the anfield boot room referreed to as being infamous - the word infamous infers negativity, or being for the wrong reasons. Surely just the word famous (or even legendary no doubt in some people's eyes) would suffice more. Given how many trophies were won by the members of that boot room, it's hardly infamous by any stretch of the imagination is it? 86.11.80.36 17:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

DoD
The date of Shankly's death on this page differs with that on this one - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_8. I don't know for certain what the correct date of his passing was. In any case, being new to the whole wikipedia experience I am reluctant to change anything until i am familiar with the formats and markup tags used. Either way, one of these pages requires changing - would somebody mind doing the honours? Amcdermott 11:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The date was changed with this edit - 29th is correct accoring to the Dictionary of National Biography. Q: "On 26 September 1981 Shankly was admitted to Broadgreen Hospital, Liverpool, following a heart attack; he died there on 29 September" Jooler 12:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Liverpool reserves Quote
Is this quote exactly right.
 * When asked what he thought about the team on the other side of Stanley Park he replied "There are only two teams in Liverpool; Liverpool and Liverpool Reserves". Should it not be "There are two great teams in Liverpool; Liverpool and Liverpool Reserves. The joke being, the interviewer was expecting him to mention Everton F.C. Djln --Djln 22:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Manager stats
Stats for his time at Workington are missing from the table. Soccerbase doesn't have them, so if anyone can add them that would be useful. WikiGull 21:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Interfering with play Quote
I believe the quote about not interfering with play is actually from Brian Clough rather than Shankly. Can anyone confirm? Haroldsomers 11:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Retirement
The truth of the matter is, much to their shame, Shanks wasn't really welcome at Melwood after his retirement, and he was much more likely to pop into Bellefield, opposite his house. Admitting this would undermine much of his famed hatred of Everton, but in reality he was respectful and much respected, unlike the current incumbent. Haroldsomers —Preceding comment was added at 11:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm tired of Everton or Man U fans trying to deface this page with blatant lies regarding Shank's relationship with the club after retirement, he was loved and still is by all associated with the club. Regardless of your allegiance, please be respectful of a great ambassador of the game and remember that this is supposed to be a free repository where people can try and find the truth —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevetorrens (talk • contribs) 10:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Just as a matter of interest, have you ever read Shankly's autobiography? It appears not. You should seek out a copy, you'd find it very interesting. He certainly isn't complimentary about the way he was treated by the club after his retirement. I have no idea if some Everton and Man United fans have been vandalising the page with falsehoods but if youre under the impression that any suggestion that the club treated Shankly in a less than respectful manner after his retirement must be "blatant lies" then I'm afraid that the "lies" originate with Shankly himself - it's all in his book, including the claim above that he was largely unwelcome at Melwood after his retirement and spent more time at Bellefield. And frankly that's the least of it. Find a copy. 92.9.195.214 (talk) 00:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Bill Shankly knighted
I don't believe Bill Shankly was ever knighted. Banaticus (talk) 23:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Scotland caps, 5 or 7 ?
At the start of the article it says he played 7 times for Scotland but the stats box says 5 ? which is right —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.247.137 (talk) 13:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Quotations section
I believe this section should be removed and some (and only some) of his more notable quotations should be merged into the narrative where relevant with an accompanying citation. My impression of the article is that it is more about what he might or might not have said than what he achieved. I would suggest that his autobiography is used to create a basic narrative of his early years, playing career and managerial career, all of which are presently too brief. This can then be enhanced and expanded by reference to other works. --Brian (talk) 06:32, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * In addition, I cannot agree with the "C-class" rating applied. My reading of the criteria tells me this is merely a "start-class" article. Start is "an article that is developing, but which is quite incomplete and may require further reliable sources". That is definitely the case here. Looking at additional criteria, the only one it fulfils is "fundamental content policies such as notability" but it fails badly re sources and the amount of meaningful content. The final requirement is: "Provision of references to reliable sources should be prioritised; the article will also need substantial improvements in content and organisation". That is equally the case and the article must be reassessed. I have Bill Shankly's autobiography and I'll make a start on content and organisation using that, as mentioned above. --Brian (talk) 06:44, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The article has just been nominated for GA following a near-complete revision. I checked its current standard against a set of criteria used elsewhere on the site and I reckon it passes them all so I've rated it B-class now. --Brian (talk) 19:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Renominated for GAN
I have just worked through the suggestions left by the reviewer and believe this article can be renominated. All suggestions have been implemented in the article. --86.186.70.127 (talk) 15:24, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Tone
the tone of this section is not neutral. 216.221.68.144 (talk) 15:24, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

NPOV dispute: "Retirement from Liverpool"
I'm a fan of the club myself, but this is vulgar and will not do:

"'It should be remembered that Shankly was 'an overpowering figure' who would certainly have used a position on the board to be a 'back-seat driver' and the board were well aware that Matt Busby's time as a Manchester United director was disastrous, the team just having been relegated. Whilst Liverpool's treatment of Shankly may have seemed disrespectful, they were acting in the best interests of the club and its new manager by pursuing the same relentless winning ethic that Shankly himself had instilled. In any event, their perceived ruthlessness was vindicated by the unprecedented haul of League Championship titles and European Cups won by Paisley and Joe Fagan.'"

I need hardly explain why. Crusoe (talk) 21:01, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You do. As per WP:VERIFY the statement is referenced to a book on Shankly. The fact *you* don't like it, has nothing to do with the content of the section. I have removed the tag as as violation of WP:IDL. Sadly you don;t seem to know the history of the club too well. Shankly retired and Liverpool moved on. He might not have liked it - just like you - but that is what published authors of works on Shankly have concluded. And those statements are verifiable in this article.5.81.0.169 (talk) 17:42, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

1974 Charity Shield
An editor recently removed the 1974 Charity Shield from the list of trophies won as Bob Paisley was the manager for this match. According to it was Shankly who lead the team out that day. Is the 1974 Charity Shield attributed to Shankly, Paisley or both? Chrisuae (talk) 07:11, 29 August 2015 (UTC) Chrisuae
 * "Leading out" the team before the game is a symbolic thing. Usually the team manager would lead the team out, but sometimes they honour someone else connected with the club. Therefore it doesn't necessarily indicate who actually managed/coached the team during the game. I would have thought that Paisley would have done that in this case. You would need a source that said that Shankly coached/managed the team during the game to say that it was "his" honour, rather than Paisley's. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 07:24, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

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Preston North End
The following use of his biography seems rather odd "In his autobiography, Shankly wrote that Preston had more than held their own in the 1934–35 season and the club was not relegated again until the end of the 1948–49 season in which he left them." While biographies are sources of a kind it's not like we don't have official records from this era. imo it would be better to just say Preston finished the next 3 years mid-table then link to a page on football history of Preston. Firestar47 (talk) 09:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)