Talk:Bill Wurtz/Archive 1

split into their own articles
The videos "history of japan" and "history of the entire world, i guess" should be split into their own articles. Although the first maybe should be titled "history of japan (video)" or "history of japan (Bill Wurtz video)" --I&#39;m on day 4 (talk) 18:54, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * We should not be too quick to create an article on a viral video. Many other videos have millions more views, yet are not deserving of a separate Wikipedia article. It is unnecessary to include wikilinks that redirect back to the article itself. We don't need the wikilinks until the articles are made (if we decide to make the articles). We should wait and see. For now, I think we should keep the videos contained in the Bill Wurtz article unless more sources are covering them and they grow considerably in notability. The articles would not be long anyways, and the content on the Bill Wurtz article is nowhere near too expansive or detailed. According to the template transclusion counter, there are only 10 articles using the Template:Infobox internet video, so many "viral" or popular videos are not given their own article. —TheAnonymousNerd(talk • contribs) 00:06, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * We could split those two videos out if their sections got too long, but seeing as both are only two lines right now, I don't see anything to worry about yet. ~ Mable ( chat ) 12:18, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Give it some time. I'll check back later.--I&#39;m on day 4 (talk) 02:40, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It seems user I&#39;m on day 4 has created the article history of the entire world, i guess without discussing here (the page was previously a redirect to Bill Wurtz. The split article tag was not removed either. I'm not sure if History of the entire world, I guess fits the notability criteria; there have only been about 10 sources covering the video (Google advanced search for exact title), and the amount content in the Bill Wurtz page is minimal, and in the video's article even less. I am not experienced with tagging / proposing article deletion. No consensus was agreed on whether or not to create the separate article in the first place, so is it favourable to remove the page's content and replace it with the original redirect? —TheAnonymousNerd(talk • contribs) 01:47, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It could be considered separately notable, but as long as Bill Wurtz' article only describes the video in two sentences, there is no point in creating a new article. This is especially jarring because the article I'm on day 4 wrote doesn't even say anything the main article doesn't already say. I'll redirect it back to the main article ^_^ ~ Mable ( chat ) 07:01, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with and think it should be made a new article if new content is added — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skipper1931 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Since we're not going to be creating a separate article until more information is present, should we also remove the split section template? —TheAnonymousNerd(talk • contribs) 23:25, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If there is consensus for the foreseeable future, then sure. Of course, people are always free to discuss the topic here. ~ Mable ( chat ) 10:38, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Case?
Because bill wurtz spells his own name in all lowercase, shouldn't the article reflect this, as with e e cummings, bell hooks, or danah boyd? Sea Captain Cormac 23:06, 21 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cormac Nocton (talk • contribs)
 * Good catch! I think we should follow sources for this one, rather than the Youtube username. I have only checked a few of them, but they all seem to use capitalization when naming Wurtz. I think we should follow suit. We could do the same as in E E Cummings article, though, noting that it is stylized as bill wurtz. ~ Mable ( chat ) 10:42, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

He is pretty much known for using lower case but mainly on his website. I did note that he rarely uses capital letters on his site (sort of a trademark) although he uses caps in his videos. Should I source it because someone will probably delete it for vandalism or something. B-Movie Fan (talk) 16:35, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

History
Should I add history? Quite a few things happened on his website before history of Japan and history of the world B-Movie Fan (talk) 04:42, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Found a credible and sourceable article about Bill Wurtz
MEET BILL WURTZ, THE INTERNET MUSICAL GENIUS YOU’VE NEVER HEARD OF, by Mel Magazine https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/meet-bill-wurtz-the-internet-musical-genius-youve-never-heard-of

Feel free to use this article to improve the bill wurtz page and provide it with more information.

BoatyKappa (talk) 15:40, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Outsider music
I don't think it's accurate to call Bill's work outsider music, but I don't want to remove the genre tag without discussing it first. Outsider music is generally by self-taught musicians, and considering Wurtz studied at Berklee and has a very technical composition style, it doesn't really fit. Thesixthstaff (talk) 18:25, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Italicised or quotation marks?
Should "history of japan", history of the entire world, i guess, and "hi, i'm steve" be put in quotation marks ("example") or italicised (example)? It seems since they are short pieces of work, they should be put in quotation marks. — Jeluang Terluang (talk) 17:54, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was my thought too. I think I'll change the article to use quotation marks. — Elliot Winkler 08:44, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Blank "Discography" section
As of now, the Discography section of the article is blank except for a link to a source. Work on this can be done in the Article's sandbox page. - Trg5503 (talk) 01:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Articles don't have sandbox pages. PorkchopGMX (Sign your posts with four tildes!) 14:50, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Instruments
Bass guitar and drums should be added due to the fact that he clearly plays the instruments, and piano should be changed to keyboards for accuracy. Any objections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerhapsXarb (talk • contribs) 08:48, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Sure go for it. Just don't add guitar, since he has multiple times denied that he is a guitar player on his questions page. BoatyKappa (talk) 10:40, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

New Bill Wurtz interview available
A great interview with Bill done by Mark Vigeant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3BrlAvG6fM It was originally livestreamed on Twitch, but since Twitch deletes VoDs after a certain time, it's best to use this youtube version.

In the interview bill talks about a lot of stuff that can be of interest for the improvement and expansion of this page. Please take a look! BoatyKappa (talk) 19:57, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Found yet another sourceable article on Bill Wurtz
Feel free to use this article to improve the page further. "How Bill Wurtz’s Videos Make the Internet a Better Place" https://www.okwhatever.org/topics/wtf/bill-wurtz-videos BoatyKappa (talk) 08:34, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Question search app instead of Ctrl+F
Someone on reddit made a tool that lets you search through all of Bill's answers to fan questions. Great tool to find sources! https://dbarthe.github.io/billwurtz-search/

BoatyKappa (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

We wanna reduce our reliance of self published sources
This article is pretty awesome so far, I appreciate all the work that has gone into it. Especially like the style section, well written and has plenty of citations.

I just want to express my concern that we might be getting unhinged in our reliance on the questions page. It's a great and cheap resource, but I'm going to eventually work on - and I hope everyone else can tag along - on trying to get find and cite more writing that are secondary sources. It's important we have a balance of difference sources, would be great if we get this up to a standard for a Good Article. Not blaming anyone, I've used the questions page plenty myself, just want to set a goal.

Surprise Wurtz' interview with Bass Magazine hasn't been referenced yet? It was done in a print publication (and should be cited as such) but it can be read here https://outline.com/W2rCZM

Thank youuuu Derick1259 (talk) 14:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Great job so far!
Great job on the article so far! I think we are pretty much caught up to the present, and we mostly only need to expand it when Bill Wurtz releases something new.

A couple of things though that could improve the article further:

'''1. Combining the two infoboxes? (musician / youtube)'''

This would make the info easier to read. Example of a good infobox here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodie_Clark I'm sadly a novice when it comes to the technical aspects of the wikipedia layout, but it would be great if anyone could combine them/create a new better infobox.

'''2. Adding an image of Bill Wurtz in real life? For instance one of him at VidCon or the Shorty awards.'''

Again, I'm definitely not an expert when it comes to images on wikipedia (copyright and stuff). Could anyone help out with this or is it impossible without someone donating their photo copyright for public domain?

Thanks in advance! BoatyKappa (talk) 16:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Yep, I'm feeling real confident about the state and future of this article. Infoboxes: I agree with this, even though this my fault! Would make the article a bit more readable. You suggest that it should be collapsed into the musician infobox and get rid of the YouTube one(?) Sounds good, it would be a good stride to make it clear that Wurtz is a musician and not a 'youtuber'. Adding an image of Bill Wurtz: This one is a bit difficult I'm afraid. I have perused flickr and the like for a bit and there are really beautiful pics of bill (esp at the shorty wards) but... they're not under a free license. We're going to have to go a little longer without bill's face, until someone releases a free licensed one. My hope is that when he starts touring there will be some good pictures (maybe I'll take one!). On the other hand, I could contact bill to see if he'd give permission for a pic of him. Worth a shot, maybe? Thank you. Derick1259 (talk) 12:41, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


 * All right. Thanks for the reply! BoatyKappa (talk) 12:01, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

More links
Found all these articles that would be great to reference and write from.


 * https://mashable.com/video/bill-wurtz-mount-st-helen-song-youtube/?europe=true
 * https://arhsharbinger.com/16850/ae/although-unorthodox-wurtz-creates-captivating-complex-pieces/
 * https://io9.gizmodo.com/this-surreal-inspirational-cartoon-will-have-you-ready-1825636493
 * https://www.neatorama.com/neatogeek/2017/10/09/A-Whimsical-Song-About-What-Might-Happen-To-Bill-Wurtz-If-He-Leaves-His-House/#
 * https://www.neatorama.com/2016/02/03/The-History-of-Japan/

More Derick1259 (talk) 09:28, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


 * http://www.openculture.com/2019/02/a-history-of-the-entire-world-in-less-than-20-minutes.html

Moar Derick1259 (talk) 09:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/history-of-world-memes/

oops
sorry, didn't mean to completely destroy everything. i don't know how to fix this. Billy rocky fernansa (talk) 20:11, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I've reverted it. As a new user, you are very welcome to edit articles, Billy rocky fernansa, but the "infoboxes" are rich in code, and are perhaps best left alone until you have a little more experience. Bishonen &#124; talk 20:52, 4 January 2020 (UTC).

Comedy music(?)
There's been a recent edit by to the infobox that puts his music down as 'comedy'. It's a perfectly good faith addition, and it's not unfound; the body of the article has sourced discussion over his 'comedic style'. I just wonder if it is placing undue emphasis by describing it as such in the infobox, I mean it hasn't been described as of the genre 'comedy' per se. Of course on the other hand, all genres are being treated with a grain of salt, with that one footnote noting Wurtz' lack of interest in genre names. So I'm not jumping on reverting it, I'm just wondering. I would like to point to one thing Wurtz' said on the questions page that refers to this article https://billwurtz.com/questions/q.php?date=201907071924 - I couldn't ascertain what it exactly means (if the questioner is lying, or the article was lying), but it was a source of concern for me. JAYFAX (talk) 08:31, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Never called him a comedian just said he makes songs with comedy lyrics and weird lyrics that are borderline comedy example being "I'm riding a pony, into the sunset..." (from: Mount St. Helens is about to Blow Up) St. Jimmy (talk) 02:51, 9 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Some of his stuff may fall under deadpan comedy, maybe jingles such as "i hate myself" or "still a piece of garbage". Although this mainly applies to his non-song content. If focusing purely on his music output, the word "comedy" is not the first thing that comes to mind. Just my two cents. BoatyKappa (talk) 18:46, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes but he does make lots of comedic jokes and random refrences to things for absolutely no reason and/or for a joke in his songs. St. Jimmy (talk) 02:51, 9 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Do the lyrics of I Am The Walrus make The Beatles a comedy troupe though? That was an example Bill used when asked about whether his music is "humorous" https://billwurtz.com/questions/q.php?date=201706211216 JAYFAX (talk) 18:12, 9 January 2020 (UTC)


 * That was in refrence to the song-writing/flow of it not the lyrics I'm pretty sure St. Jimmy (talk) 22:42, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Bill is returning!
He recently posted on twitter and instagram. He hasn't done that in almost 2 years! Get ready for new content soon. He seems to have completed the Blender/Final Cut transition. BoatyKappa (talk) 13:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


 * @BoatyKappa, He released a new video just now. The article needs to be updated to reflect this. FranchuFranchu (talk) 21:27, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@BoatyKappa I don't think this is the best place to post this SirKFCPepsi (talk) 10:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Documentaries?
Are "History of Japan" and "History of the Entire World, I Guess" documentaries? When I think of documentaries I think of long-form, live-video, narrated videos about topics backed by interviews and citations featuring experts. Bill Wurtz' videos don't fit this category, I don't think. I suppose you could call them animated comedy shorts but I think that's stretching it as well. Despite putting hours into them, Bill didn't intend them to be exhaustive and clearly doesn't take them that seriously — see the answer he gave which is quoted within the section on the video). Therefore, I don't think these videos should be italicized but should be quoted like the other videos. — Elliot Winkler 05:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * IIRC I was the one who wrote "documentaries", and now reading this, yeah I agree actually. Guess we can call them "videos". JAYFAX (talk) 08:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

date of birth?
i was thinking if we should add a date of birth to this article. should we add it? Billy rocky fernansa (talk) 15:38, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Good question, because it ought to go on record: absolutely not, I'm afraid. There needs to be very, very reliable sources that detail his birthday, and there are none currently. All there is out there on the web are a few dodgy content farm websites that make up a birthday for him. Even if he announced his birthday on the questions page, that cannot bed used that as a source, cause it could easily well be him joking/non-fictional, as he likes to do time-to-time. And of course, one shouldn't attempt to figure out his birthday by correlating all the stuff he said in the past. Even if such a result was credible it still must be confirmed with reliable sources. JAYFAX (talk) 19:01, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

ok. Billy rocky fernansa (talk) 20:41, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

i'm not sure this would count as a completely reliable source, and you probably know about it already, but there is a reality page from dec 8 2013 where he's talking about getting older. what do you think? Toxicnapkin (talk) 00:24, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

"William Wurtz"
Somebody keeps adding this as his real name but they don't have a source. Could they perhaps cease doing this until they have one? thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir-Joshi01 (talk • contribs) 02:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

there's this post on expert mode. It's a i'm not sure if a random picture on the website is the most concrete evidence, but it seems reasonable since there's no reason for him to lie about his name Toxicnapkin (talk) 00:37, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


 * His full name must be supported by a reliable secondary source. Key biographical details such as names, birthdays, etc, must strictly adhere to WP:BLP or be removed immediately. JAYFAX (talk) 13:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah. While it doesn't seem like a secondary reliable source has mentioned it yet, his PayPal account shows William Wurtz right above smaller text saying bill wurtz, despite nothing about the middle name James or the suffix II (two/2 written in Roman numerals being mentioned, and no I don't mean World War II 😂). Also, why would the image be upside-down, in four different text colors for each word, and have long spacing? The "II" part may be a typo of "III" or "I", or an unknown ancestor or offspring of the living public figure and Internet personality in question. The Bill Wurtz Wiki FANDOM page for a page with the same title lists it as a possible full name with the website as a source, but Wikipedia is not for stuff made up or a crystal ball. 209.52.88.130 (talk) 16:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

What source do we have on Bill starting out in the year 2000 in the infobox?
According to https://billwurtz.com/instrumentals.html his first recording came out in 2002. It also says "©2002-2018" at the bottom of that page.

I have a feeling I read somewhere (possibly on his questions page?) that he indeed did start earlier but I can't find the source. Can anyone find it or should we change the infobox to say "2002-present" again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoatyKappa (talk • contribs) 14:54, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * found this, which is probably what @BoatyKappa is talking about.
 * though the reliability of the source is probably don't use it JacksonChen666 (talk) 11:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested Move

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW   Imzadi 1979   →   01:04, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Bill Wurtz → William Wurtz II – He has a dad and a son with the same name, also his real name is William, not Bill. 2600:1700:6180:6290:9DF4:436E:5E7F:66B (talk) 23:14, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem relevant to the title. Nohomersryan (talk) 23:57, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose (strongly) per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:NICKNAME, MOS:LEGALNAME etc. He's EXCLUSIVELY known as (and referred to as) Bill Wurtz professionally. Can we speedy close this, per WP:SNOW? Paintspot Infez (talk) 00:38, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

revisitng the question on if History of the Entire World, I Guess should get it's own article
The video came out 5 years ago and I think now it's pretty safe to say that it's noteable and not just a flash in the pan viral video. It has many indapendant articles about it, it's frequanlty shown in schools, and it still is referenced and parodied all the time online. What does everyone here think LJFIN2 (talk) 05:11, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * What sources exist on it? — PerfectSoundWhatever  (t; c) 05:15, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * it's been covered by The Insider, Scroll.in, The Verge, Variety, Vox, Mel Magazine plus Bill talked about the video in his interview on the H3 podcast. Personally I think that it warrents it's own article but I'm not sure if the admins would see it the same way LJFIN2 (talk) 08:57, 18 December 2022 (UTC)