Talk:Billboard 200/Archive 1

Nirvana reference?
Why is the following point included in the trivia section?


 * "In 1992 Nirvana's Nevermind reaches number one on the charts and popularizes "grunge" music and sets glam rock to the side. "

Given that most of the other facts here relate to long-term chart accomplishments, not particular genres, I'd be tempted to delete it unless someone can explain its relevance. It's of note in an article about Nirvana, or grunge generally, but not, I think, here. Gusworld 06:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Since when did glam rock come into the equation?!


 * I agree with you; I say get rid of it. -- eo 11:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Janet Jackson
janet jackson doesn't have 5 conscutive #1 albums you are for getting her best of album! Design of a Decade was not a studio album.
 * it's still an album right--hottie 20:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The RIAA, and therefore Billboard by extension, does not consider compilation and other side albums as actual 'albums'. Only studio albums count. For example, had Blackout debuted at number one, Britney Spears would have been recognized as the only act in Soundscan history to have 5 albums debut at #1, even though her GH and remix album didn't reach the top spot.

Shouldn't Shania Twain's record of consecutive weeks staying in the top 20 with Come On Over be mentioned in the milestones?

Contradiction in trivia
One of the triva points states: "Elvis Presley and Roy Orbison are the only two artists to have two albums chart on the top 5 simultaneously." But other points state that Guns N' Roses and Nelly debuted two albums apiece at #1 and #2. These points contradict each other. --Jon Terry 19:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, you're correct.... Im thinking the Orbison/Presley item should be removed. -- eo 20:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Issue Date
Do Billboard realise how stupid their issue date system is? Why do they give the chart an issue date of 9 days after the date it is actually realeased. To me it just seems stupid that the next weeks chart will be released before the issue date of the current one has even arrived
 * So why are you complaining about it here? Contact Billboard - I'm sure they'd love to sit down for hours and explain their research, press and printing schedules with you. -- eo 15:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Grammatical Errors and Unprofessional Writing Style
Much of the article contains grammatical errors and a writing style unfit for Wikipedia. Thus, I have flagged it as an article needing cleanup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.161.7.250 (talk) 01:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Care to point out the grammatical errors? I don't see it.  The placement of the tag and your above comment are your only edits. Can you elaborate please? - eo 10:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Skid Row
The article states that Skid Row's Slave to the Grind was the first heavy metal album to debut at number one. Didn't Metal Health by Quiet Riot achieve this feat in the 80's? Garth 187 (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree - I'd change that or remove the whole thing - no reason to really separate heavy metal from all the other zillion music genres. - eo (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Edit - actually Skid Row is first to debut at #1.... Quiet Riot didn't debut there. Still think it doesn't really belong in the article, tho... - eo (talk) 18:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Beatles: 20 #1's?
The Beatles entry has 19:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_record_sales,_worldwide_charts


 * Most no. 1 albums in the Billboard Top 200 albums charts (19 no.1 albums).
 * Meet the Beatles! (1964, 11 weeks), The Beatles' Second Album (1964, 5 weeks), A Hard Day's Night (1964, 14 weeks), Beatles '65 (1965, 9 weeks), Beatles VI (1965, 6 weeks), Help! (1965, 9 weeks), Rubber Soul (1965, 6 weeks), Yesterday...and Today (1966, 5 weeks), Revolver (1966, 6 weeks), Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967, 15 weeks), Magical Mystery Tour (1967, 8 weeks), The Beatles (The White Album) (1969, 9 weeks), Abbey Road (1969, 11 weeks), Let It Be (1970, 4 weeks), 1967-1970 (The Blue Album) (1973, 1 week), Anthology 1 (1995, 3 weeks), Anthology 2 (1996, 1 week), Anthology 3 (1996, 1 week), 1 (2000, 8 weeks)

It's 20 singles that went #1. Toshiaki1 (talk) 06:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hot Albums
As I understand things, Billboard Magazine had published, prior to 1992, a chart called the Hot Albums&mdash;a 100-position chart, which the Billboard 200 supersedes. I found no reference to the Hot Albums chart in the latest revision of this Article. What gives? - B.C.Schmerker 04:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that's accurate. Going back into the 1980s and probably earlier, Billboard had a 200-position album chart. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

DMX
DMX is the only artist - ever - to have had his 5 1st albums #1 !!! (his 6th was #2 : and Britney Spears is also the only female artist - ever - to have had her 4 1st studio albums #1 (her 5th was also #2 like DMX >__<)

I've been seeing this problem all over. Metallica is getting credit for something that DMX accomplished 5 years before. 208.81.93.99 (talk) 16:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

U2 at #1 debut
It says under additional milestones that Dave Matthews Band and Metallica at the only two bands to chart at a #1 debut for five consecutive albums. As far as I know, U2 has accomplished this as well, from The Joshua Tree to Pop, then losing this when Hasta la Vista, Baby! didn't chart at all. WickedKnightAlbel (talk) 05:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Linking All Artists in Lists
I have consulted WP:Manual_of_Style and the justification it gives for not linking subsequent instances of notable words in main articles is that it hampers readability. I believe that in a list like this, not linking does the opposite. It is counter-intuitive for the reader to have to search back through the list for the only linked instance of a band's name, and it looks 'incomplete' with many unlinked artists (which you know instinctively definitely have their own pages). I will point out this potential distinction on the WP:MOS talk page. :)  • Gli k tch •  (Talk)   09:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Changes coming 25 November 2009 chart
Nielsen SoundScan has announced major changes coming to the way it tabulates the weekly album sales chart. The SoundScan/Billboard 200 will now include catalog releases in the official chart alongside new albums. The chart had previously only listed releases from the previous 18 months, with older releases moved to a seperate chart. However, with this year's massive sales figures for Michael Jackson and Beatles albums, their numbers were missing from the official weekly charts.
 * 

Reuters reports that the changes go into effect for the sales week ending November 22, making the November 25 sales chart the first as a "comprehensive" chart. Jackson is the second-biggest selling artist of 2009, after Taylor Swift, and his best-of set Number Ones was the best-selling album in the country for six weeks earlier this year, though it wasn't reflected on the official chart.

In other Nielsen SoundScan news, the company has released new data on vinyl and digital music sales in 2009. For the SoundScan era, vinyl sales have set a new high point, with over two million vinyl records already sold this year. This breaks last year's record of 1.9 million.

As for digital music, four artists have broken Rihanna's digital tracks sales record (she sold 9.9 million digital songs in '08) already. So far, 11.3 million digital Michael Jackson songs have been sold, 11.1 million Lady Gaga songs have been sold this year, with 10.3 million Black Eyed Peas tunes and 9.98 million Taylor Swift songs.

Nielsen SoundScan reports that next week, the 2008 year-end digital album sales total of 65 million will be broken, as well as the one billion track sales mark. - eo (talk) 18:54, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

The Sound of Music soundtrack
The Sound of Music soundtrack spent 109 weeks in the top 10, yet is not on the list of albums with most weeks in the top 10. Why is this? I myself tried to add this fact and my edit was reverted.75.142.54.211 (talk) 03:03, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

The Fame? Seriously?
The Fame is not one of the privileged albums to spend more than a year in the top 10. Proof of that can be found in this link: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart_watch/44769/chart-watch-extra-a-full-year-in-the-top-10/ A full list of albums that spent a year or more in the top 10 is also available in case anyone wants to add albums to that list. Peace, --Francopedorro (talk) 17:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

most number one hit
i check on billboard.com and it said that the beatles only had six number one hit? someone care to explain —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feedmyeyes (talk • contribs) 15:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Two Or More #1 Albums In A Year
The "Album Milestones" currently lists the following unsourced groups in that category: Led Zeppelin, DMX, Jay-Z, Garth Brooks, 2Pac, and System of a Down. Based on the Wiki discography for each, the claims that any of them did so twice are extremely dubious and must be sourced from a WP:RS. It is unclear from the Wiki discography if System of a Down did it even once, and dates for 2Pac are unclear as well. A nice reliable external source should clear that up for any of these in question, and they should be sourced/footnoted or removed. Sensei48 (talk) 04:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

EPs that topped the chart
Aside from Jar of Flies and Collision Course, is Glee: The Music, The Power of Madonna also an EP???--Ja 1207 (talk) 07:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Elton John, John Denver, Prince, Bruce Springsteen
Each had two albums that hit number one in the same year (Elton had three in 1975), yet are not mentioned in the "two albums in the same year" blurb at the end. Can someone please add them?75.142.54.211 (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be great to add those if they can be reliably sourced. I did so for the Elvis and Kingston Trio numbers, but I think we need to establish some accurate sourcing for all the rest (especially the ones there already). One possibility - Joel Whitburn is bringing out a new and updated edition of his top pop albums/Billboard charts book in August. His stuff is generally the most authoritative and should be able to establish these claims as factual or not. Of course, if there are WP:RS for any or all of the above elsewhere, they should be added. Sensei48 (talk) 03:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Eminem
Eminem has 9 number one albums, 2 with D12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.149.140 (talk) 11:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * D12 albums and the 8 mile soundtrack do not count towards his total as a solo artist. - eo (talk) 12:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Most weeks on that chart
Pink Floyd reached another position on that chart this week with 'Moon', making it having spent 770 weeks on that chart! here --79.216.214.109 (talk) 12:49, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Pink Floyd reached another position on that chart this week with 'Moon', making it having spent 777 weeks on that chart! here --79.216.214.109 (talk) 12:49, 03 February 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.216.208.221 (talk)

Britney Spears
In December 2008, Circus topped the US album chart, making Britney Spears the youngest female artist in history to have five of her albums reach No.1. Before she turned 20 years old on 2 December 2001, Spears had sold an unprecedented 37 million records around the world, making her the all-time best-selling teenage artist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.24.175.140 (talk) 03:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

And in April 2011, Femme Fatale debuted at number 1, making her the first female artist to have 6 different albums debut at number 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.236.39.247 (talk) 20:41, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Adele record
http://www.billboard.com/#/news/adele-s-21-earns-biggest-sales-gain-in-soundscan-1006259152.story

2 records: Pleasee change 20 weeks to 21 weeks at No. 1 in the milestrone-section and include the record that 21 has the biggest weekly gain with 493k compared to the week before. --79.199.55.224 (talk) 01:17, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Already done Somebody already updated 21 to 21 and I can't see an obvious place to add the other detail. Please provide the text you want to add and where you want it to go. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 03:17, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 March 2012: Notable addition to "Additional milestones" section
[I think it may be interesting to note this in the "Additional milestones" section, suggested text following]

"The Supremes were the first female group to have albums reach number one, starting with "The Supremes A Go-Go" in 1966; coincidentally, the second female group to top the album charts were The Go-Go's (1982's "Beauty And The Beat")"

Source: The Billboard 200

ArtichokeBlue (talk) 02:38, 3 March 2012 (UTC) ArtichokeBlue (talk) 02:38, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The source is not precise enough. Please provide either a full link or what ever you want to use as reference. mabdul 12:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

One Direction
The band One Direction's debut album Up All Night became the first and only debut album by a British artist to chart at Number 1 in its first week. http://www.billboard.com/#/news/one-direction-makes-history-with-no-1-debut-1006522752.story

Swimfastray (talk) 01:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm confused: what do you want me to do? Please copy to here the exact text that you want to be removed, and follow it with the exact text that you want to be put in its place.  When you've done this, please modify the editsemiprotected template by changing "answered=yes" to "answered=no".  Nyttend (talk) 00:22, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Vitalogy by Pearl Jam
Article claims the jump was 173 to 1, but the Vitalogy article has sourced information that conflicts with this, claiming the jump was 55 to 1. Saint91 (talk) 22:24, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It debuted at 55 (as a vinyl-only release), dropped to 173 the following week, then when the CD came out, it jumped to #1. http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?chartDate=1994-12-24 - eo (talk) 13:37, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Most consecutive #1 albums
Are compilations included?? because if they are not, JayZ would have 8 consecutive #1s. In order after The Best of Both Worlds (#2): The Blueprint 2 The Black Album Unfinished Business (w/R. Kelly) Collision Course (w/Linkin Park) Kingdom Come American Gangster The Blueprint 3 Watch the Throne (w/Kanye West)

[If collaborations are not included, he would have 9 as TBoBW wouldn't be included. All of his solo albums after In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 (#3) have gone to #1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.28.181 (talk) 19:21, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 June 2012
Add to 'Album Milestones Section' the following:

In September 1991, Guns N' Roses released Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II, which debuted at No. 2 and No. 1 respectively on the U.S. chart, a feat not achieved by any other group

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axl_Rose

Thanks!! Michael Felling aka: Pub Scout Perpetual Rhythm Las Vegas, NV

Pubscoutlasvegas (talk) 03:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikipedia is a good encyclopedia but not a reliable source. Rivertorch (talk) 07:08, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Linkin Park and Eminem
First off, Eminem has 6 consecutive albums at #1, The Marshall Mathers LP, The Eminem Show, Encore, Relapse, Recovery and Hell: The Sequel (w/Royce The 5'9) - Collaboration albums count for Jay-Z, they have to count for Eminem too. Also, Eminem's group D12 has 2 number one albums, Devil's Night and D12 World, so we can count that Eminem has 8 number one albums.

Second, Linkin Park has also 5 consecutive #1, Meteora, Collision Course (w/Jay-Z), Minutes To Midnight, A Thousand Suns and Living Things, they all debuted at number one and I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.222.47.145 (talk) 08:26, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Collaborations, remixes, best-ofs, soundtracks do NOT count, and there are extensive discussions of this on this page. I changed the Jay-Z number to reflect that. That excludes several of the albums you mention above. Consider - Paul McCartney would top this list if you added Wings and solo albums and included Beatles albums in his total - he was part of both groups. But that is not the method employed here. Sensei48 (talk) 15:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Billboard article itself said that if Linkin Park reaches number 1 with Living Things (they did, it debuted at #1, it will be their 5th consecutive number one. So, I still don't understand why don't collaborations count... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.201.244.210 (talk) 09:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I can only refer you again to the discussions above on this page. That was the policy created by editors of this page when I came on board a few years ago, and I think it's a good one. The section is called "Artist Milestones," and I think the problems associated with albums that aren't solo releases are illustrated by my Paul McCartney example above. He has 7 #1 albums solo and with Wings and 19 with the Beatles - but that does not give him 26 because the group albums were collaborations. I'd guess that the collaborations aren't counted because they are not the product of the sole artist being recognized. Ditto soundtracks, and best-ofs are just re-treads.Sensei48 (talk) 18:51, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Lists, March 2012
Any major changes to the lists should be vetted here before being made. Since the lists were introduced for consecutive #1 albums, the list has excluded soundtrack and compilation albums, following the original Joel Whitburn source and as a more accurate metric for an artist's individual work. Further, much of "Additional Milestones" remains unsourced, and new categories are being introduced (artist with the most #1 albums). Per Wiki policy, such additions need sources with each added edit.Sensei48 (talk) 15:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * If we start adding CN tags to additional milestones, 90% of the entries will have them. I would suggest nonetheless deleting all unsourced material and reverting any future additions that do not come with a RS.Sensei48 (talk) 16:00, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi everyone. I am the author of the consecutive #1 albums section. This was originally in the "additional" section, but I felt it deserved its own section, as this category was most recently highlighted in an article from Joel Whitburn celebrating Eminem's sixth consecutive album debuting at number one. I copied his list directly with no edits.

I agree that a consensus should be achieved as to what is considered a number one album in the 'consecutive' space. I am curious about Dave Matthews Band and Metallica, as a number of articles and Wikipedia sources mentioned that they each have five consecutive albums debut at #1 (the Eminem article highlighting that these two bands were surpassed by Eminem's sixth number one). Five consecutive number ones would place these bands on the list. I did further research, and found that each group has five consecutive number one studio albums. If live albums and best-of albums are included, neither band has five consecutive, as many of these were released in between the studio albums and did not hit number one. The Whitburn article centered on Eminem's sixth consecutive number one album, so I'm not certain why this is being changed to five from my original entry of six. I am very curious about this particular change. I do, however, have a question about DMX. His first five albums all went to #1 - and his fifth album charted before Whitburn's article came out. I was unsure why Whitburn did not include him in his article, but I deferred to his authority, so I didn't add DMX to the list.

To me, what's important is that the correct information be listed. I agree that rules need to be codified for this section. Whatever this answer is, I am happy to correct this list (with sourcing of course). I enjoy contributing to this page, and so would like to continue providing accurate and interesting information appropriate to it.

I am also the person who included the most #1 albums and most top 10 albums. I added this as a continuation of the 'most top 10' and 'most #1' sections, so I figured these line items would be relevant to this page. The information I provided was not sourced, as I could not find any one article addressing this. I felt my information on the most #1s is correct, given that The Beatles are by far the leaders in the #1 albums category, and that McCartney and Lennon themselves have many #1 albums post-Beatles. The most top 10 albums could more easily be up for debate, but McCartney has so many post-Beatles top 10s (including an album this year), that I believed this summary to be correct as well.

Again, I do enjoy adding information to this page (I'm a big Beatles fan if you couldn't already tell), so I want to ensure that what I add is relevant and correct. Whatever the rules are, I am happy to follow them. Best, David Dnsla (talk) 23:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Dnsla - Thanks for your patient explanation here and your research - good stuff. I myself came into editing this page after the rubrics for adding to lists had been established by a number of editors who put the page together - I have just been going along with those and agree with them in general. That brings me to a question - your cited article about Eminem's 6 consecutive #1 albums did not clarify whether or not 8 mile was one of them. Compilations, soundtracks, and "best ofs" were previously excluded from this list - that's why I took Eminem back to 5. Does Eminem's 6 include the movie soundtrack?


 * I'm short of time right now and would love to discuss all this with you here further. I am certainly open to making sourced changes that improve the article - and I really want to demand more sourcing for a lot of the stuff in additional milestones. Of course, there are several other editors who work on this article too, and I would love to hear what they have to say. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 16:10, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Sensei48 for your reply, and telling me you've been in this situation before. There are a lot of moving parts to the consecutive list, now that we're digging further. It seems that the cited article includes soundtracks, but not greatest hits. Eminem's six #1s does include the 8 mile soundtrack, so he does have 5 otherwise. Also following this rule of thumb, we can remove Chicago from this list, as their 5th #1 album was a greatest hits album.

Another question is 'live' albums - it looks like the article included them in the list, and you and your editors agree. If live albums are included, Dave Matthew Band would remain off this list because they released a number of live albums in between their 5 #1 studio albums that themselves didn't hit #1. Metallica is in the same boat as Dave Matthews Band. If live albums, soundtracks and compilations/best of's are not included - both in terms of counting as a part of the #1s (Wings), and also not breaking up a string of #1s (DMB, Metallica) - then Eminem has 5, Wings should be taken off the list, and DMB and Metallica would be added to the list.

I still think DMX should be on the list regardless, since he released no other albums during his string of 5 studio #1s.

One final issue is that Elton John actually has 6 consecutive #1s (per Wikipedia) not 5. Along with the inclusion of Chicago, it seems this article is suspect as a true source. What do you, and the other page editors, think? Dnsla (talk) 23:41, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi again, D - Good points all. Now, I am not sure about live albums; I had thought the stricture was simply solo, non-compilation albums. Plenty of live albums have songs on them available nowhere else. If the working rule is studio albums only (I don't think so...) then I would guess that there would be a few more artists with 5, the Kingston Trio the chronologically first among them. (KT had their first 5 studio albums hit #1, interrupted by one live album at #2 and a rush job live stereo release that hit only #14 and undercut sales of the three already-released albums, or we'd be looking at KT with 6.) An editor has re-added Metallica with 5; if one is a live album, I'd say fine; if it's a compilation, I say no. I need to sort out the rest of your points above and hope that someone else who works here will look in. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 16:42, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It appears from the discog here on Wikipedia that Metallica has 5 consecutive studio albums - but there are gaps of several years between some of them, and those gaps are filled at points with a live album and cover album that did not reach #1. So...per my remarks above, if Metallica makes the list, so does the Kingston Trio. I thionk that a) the list however constituted should be chronological in terms of ties, which would move Metallica down the list and not immediately after the Beatles, and b) we need an editors' consensus about what #1 albums qualify and why. Sensei48 (talk) 16:54, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * BTW - the Whitburn article you cited did include 8 Mile, which as a soundtrack disqualified it in the same way that a compilation was - as far as the thinking for this list went. Still not sure what to do with all this. Another BTW - for your Beatles/McC stats in "Additional Milestone" - which I think are really good additions - could you dig up a source? I really want to see if we can bone up the reliability of that section with sources. Sensei48 (talk) 17:01, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Sensei48. Yeah putting together what's in and what's out can have a lot of implications.

To starts, two Beatles #1 albums - "The Blue Album" and "1" - do not qualify as they are compilations of previously released material. This doesn't affect the consecutive table, but does affect the 'most #1 albums' table. I would also revisit the 'most top 10 albums' table. I bet compilations were added in there too.

With Metallica, they have 5 consecutive 'studio' albums, with many non-#1 live albums released in between. Including the live albums or not will determine whether they are in or out.

Following your ideas - a very important task is to decide is whether you can count an album that contains some new music not heard on any previous album - and from there, what constitutes "new music". This can redefine whether to include some compilations. Some compilations have one or two new songs added to the list of previously-released material. Madonna's "Immaculate Collection" has two songs unique to it, including 'Justify My Love' which went to #1. Another thought follows your point about what constitutes new music. Looking at the live album discussion - is the live version of a previously-released studio song considered new music? If so, Metallica and KT are out. For me, live albums should count.

This also extends to remixes. Like live music, remixes are new interpretations of a previously released song. One minor detail between the two is that live music is generally re-worked by the artists themselves, whereas remixes are almost always a reinterpretation by another artist but still retain credit for the original artist. This remix scenario might be more relevant to the Billboard 100.

Merging the two, consider The Beatles "Anthology 1" and "Anthology 2". These albums provide new versions of previously released material, in that they are outtakes and studio takes. One can say that the outtakes and studio takes are a new version of previously released Beatles music in the same vein as live music. Following the Madonna example above, both Anthology albums contain one new song that was recorded and released specifically for the album with the intention of release as a single ('Free as a Bird' and 'Real Love' respectively). Would this mean that the two albums count because they do provide some new music made specifically for these albums?

Whew! I know this is splitting a lot of hairs, but the decision does impact this page from 'most top 10s' to 'most #1s' to the consecutive table. The final decision as to what type of albums are included in these stats will significantly affect my Additional Milestones/McCartney entry. Dnsla (talk) 00:37, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I think it's best to stick with albums defined as "studio albums" for the consecutive #1 albums, perhaps the title can be updated to include that word? Love, Anthology, etc., are all considered compilations. Live albums, some artists like Pearl Jam have hundreds so including them would seen redundant, Phish and DMB and the Dead also do this.Dobyblue (talk) 14:12, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 September 2012 - Dave Matthews Band
Dave Matthews Band (according to their wikipedia page) now has six consecutive number one studio albums. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Away_from_the_World) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.232.216 (talk • contribs) 13 September 2012

164.107.232.216 (talk) 18:38, 13 September 2012 (UTC) Confirmed by Billboard but the main page has already been updated. Perhaps I'll add this source along with the Metallica source in the "consecutive debut studio" section - http://www.billboard.com/news/dave-matthews-band-debuts-at-no-1-on-billboard-1007951642.story#/news/dave-matthews-band-debuts-at-no-1-on-billboard-1007951642.storyDobyblue (talk) 15:27, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * ❌ - Billboard's article states that this will be the case if they debut at number one next week. It is expected, but it has not yet occured. - eo (talk) 18:49, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Closing request as this has been responded to. I will add that you can't cite Wikipedia as a source, though if that Wikipedia article has a reliable source to back that claim, you are welcome to use that same source on this article. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 21:32, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Additional Trivia / Led Zep
The additional trivia sections states:  "At one point in early 1980, all nine albums released to that date by Led Zeppelin were on the Billboard 200 chart, the most albums by a single artist to chart at the same time." (the bold is my emphasis).

However, Pearl Jam charted at least 14 albums at the same time on the Billboard 200 in 2000. Their Official Bootleg series charted all over the lower half of the chart, so Led Zep no longer has the most albums by a single artist to chart at one time. Perhaps its the most studio albums to chart at a time (the Pearl Jam albums were all live recordings).

You can view the Pearl Jam chart listings here from Billboard Magazine:

--Ataricodfish 06:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

sorry guys, but this is no longer true: At one point in early 1980s, all nine studio albums released to that date by Led Zeppelin were on the Billboard 200 chart, and is the most studio albums by a single artist to chart at the same time.

because the beatles had 18 albums in the charts at the same time:

In the US The Beatles sold more than one million units in the first five days, and the group set a new record by simultaneously having 18 albums on the Billboard Top Comprehensive Albums chart. Five of these were in the top 10; Abbey Road proved the most popular at number three, with sales of 89.000, though it was held off by Jay-Z's Blueprint 3 and Miley Cyrus' The Time Of Our Lives. Abbey Road also topped the Top Pop Catalog Albums chart.

so please give credit were credit is deserved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.171.181 (talk) 22:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately for Beatles fans we're talking about the Billboard 200, and at the time that was not synonymous with the Top Comprehensive Albums chart, which is why Michael Jackson's Number Ones never technically reached number one and I'm pretty sure a similar amount of albums would have made the chart in one of the weeks following his death. --Francopedorro (talk) 17:54, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

On the December 4th, 2010 chart, the Beatles had 13 albums: 48: Abbey Road, 61: The Beatles (The White Album), 64: The Beatles In Stereo, 66: Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band, 67: 1967-1970, 75: 1962-1966, 86: Rubber Soul, 103: Revolver, 110: Magical Mystery Tour (Soundtrack), 130: A Hard Day’s Night (Soundtrack), 155: Please Please Me, 160: Help! (Soundtrack), 179: With The Beatles.

Three albums, In Stereo, 1962-1966, & 1967-1970, are compilation albums, but the other ten are all studio albums. Although three of the albums are soundtracks, they are listed in the Beatles discography as studio albums. So the Beatles should be recognized for having the most studio albums by a single artist to chart at the same time. Yellowgoose1987 (talk) 03:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Adam Lambert
Adam Lambert's Trespassing debuts at #1 next week, which makes him the first gay artist to do so. Should this be added to the 'other milestones' section? Scrayer (talk) 05:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

The first artist to debut at #1, Elton John, is gay, so Adam Lambert didn't reach that milestone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yellowgoose1987 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Source issue.
The source for most consecutive number one albums does not list all the artists that are listed here on the Wiki page. Madonna, Wings, Dave Matthews Band, and Linkin Park are not listed in the source at Billboard. A new source should be obtained if possible, as it seems to only be counting artists who've had numerous consecutive number one albums regardless if they are studio albums or compilations. If the page here on Wikipedia is only counting studio albums, than Janet Jackson should be listed as well, as she has also had 5 consecutive number one studio albums. Linkin Park should not be listed as one of their five number one albums is a remix album. --SophiaPehawkins (talk) 04:59, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If it's an album by a specific artist, all albums should be counted. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 06:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Additional Milestones: Adele's 21 has now spent 81 weeks in the Top 10
The bullet point third from the bottom of the "additional milestones" section states that "Adele's album 21 was in the top 10 for 79 weeks". In fact, it has now spent two further weeks in the Top 10, bringing its total to 81 weeks. So the simplest of edits is needed: the line should read "Adele's album 21 was in the top 10 for 81 weeks".

The rest of that bullet point, which currently reads "This is the most weeks in the top 10 for an album by a woman, and the third most overall, after Bruce Springsteen's Born in the U.S.A. 84-week and The Sound of Music soundtrack's 109-week runs" is correct.

Reference Paul Grein's Chartwatch (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-march-3-2013-albums-bargain-gives-160513342.html):

"Adele’s 21 returns to the top 10 (at #10) for the first time since Oct. 21. Adele’s performance and victory at the Oscars gave the album a boost. This is its 81st week in the top 10. Only two albums can match that since 1963, when Billboard merged separate mono and stereo charts into one comprehensive listing: The Sound Of Music soundtrack (109 weeks) and Bruce Springsteen’s Born In The U.S.A. (84 weeks)"

DGPimbly (talk) 19:09, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -- El Hef  ( Meep ? ) 04:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Artist Milestone's Jay Z
With Magna Carta... Holy Grail, Jay-Z has had 10 consecutive studio albums, as a solo artist, to debut at number 1. Including collaborations, his streak goes to 9 consecutive albums (his first collaboration with R.Kelly breaks the streak). He has a total of 10 albums (as a solo artist) to debut at number 1, if counting collaborations his record increases to 13 albums. (All of Jay-Z's albums to reach number 1 on the Billboard 200 have debuted at number 1). This article should reflect Jay-Z's accomplishments by adding his name to the proper "Artist Milestone" categories. Dank oo (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1569417/jay-zs-magna-carta-album-sales-forecast-grows-to-450-500000

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1568153/official-kanye-wests-yeezus-sells-327000-debuts-at-no-1-on-billboard-200-chart — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.202.230.97 (talk) 15:41, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2013/07/17/rap-dominates-summer-music-charts-jayz-kanye-jcole-wale/2525585/


 * Comment: I think this discussion should be revisited. Why exactly would collaborative albums not be included?  In each case, Jay-Z is namechecked, as opposed to being a part of a multi-artist soundtrack or compliation, or being a part of an established group or band.  I think his full total should be reflected here. - eo (talk) 18:59, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment: I'm fine with any vetted, collaborative changes. The policy of solo albums only here existed when I came on board, and there is a fair mount of discussion of it above. It seemed precisely to be a point at which a line was drawn. Without that policy, compilations, best-ofs, and soundtracks were getting counted. There was also the thorny issue of how an artist like Paul McCartney or Michael Jackson should be handled; each had a significant number of #1 albums as a solo but also had some as members of a group. How would that figure in? And if it doesn't, why would a collaboration with another artist or two or more be adjudged differently than membership in a group, especially one like the Beatles where each other member also had a recording career as a solo performer?


 * Whatever the outcome of this discussion, I think that any changes/inclusions must be sourced from this point out. If the new policy is simply to include all albums, the Jay-Z article sources his position well - but what of the numbers for each and every other artist listed in all of the "Artist Milestones" section? The Eminem editors will likely have something to add as well, since his total here is less than the number that Billboard articles (including compilations and soundtracks) ascribes to him.Sensei48 (talk) 20:44, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment: Below are two Billboard articles referencing Magna as his 13th number 1 album. The second article mentions Jay Z second only to the Beatles and the most for solo artists. These two sources should merit at least some change to Jay Z's tally on this page. Since billboard recognizes 13 albums as legitimate number 1's to his name, 13 should be reflected here as well. At the end of the day its billboard that decides how many number 1's an artist has, right? Clearly billboard thinks Jay Z has had 13.Dank oo (talk) 03:23, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/3369836/weekly-chart-notes-jay-zs-magna-ificent-week-on-the-hot-100

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/2005381/jay-z-scores-13th-no-1-album-on-billboard-200-ciara-bows-at-no-2

Jay Z
Jay Z has passed Elvis Presley for most #1 albums. I think that section need to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.14.255.226 (talk) 20:55, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Backstreet Boys
I think you should also put the Backstreet Boys are the only currently active boyband has achieved all of their albums debut in the Top 10.

Backstreet Boys (U.S Release): #4 Millenium: #1 Black & Blue: #1 Never Gone: #3 Unbreakable: #7 This is us: #9 In A World Like This: #5

--81.203.183.29 (talk) 17:29, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Michael Jackson and Adele
Is it possible to add a special section that will include the extremely rare feat of having an album topping the Billboard 200 for two consecutive years in a row? Only two studio albums had achieved that feat (Thriller & 21). CK_Bad (talk) 00:50, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Remove Arcade Fire from milestones, add Chris Tomlin and TobyMac
The very last bullet-point in the Additional Milestones section needs an edit. Please change:

"Only seventeen artists have topped the Billboard 200 without having had any singles appear on the Hot 100: Van Cliburn, Bob Newhart, Judy Garland (who had hit singles which predated the Hot 100), Frank Fontaine, Blind Faith, N.W.A., Pantera, Makaveli (alter ego of 2Pac), Bob Carlisle, Slipknot, Vampire Weekend, Arcade Fire, The Decemberists, and Amos Lee."

to

"Only fifteen artists have topped the Billboard 200 without having had any singles appear on the Hot 100: Van Cliburn, Bob Newhart, Judy Garland (who had hit singles which predated the Hot 100), Frank Fontaine, Blind Faith, N.W.A., Pantera, Makaveli (alter ego of 2Pac), Bob Carlisle, Slipknot, Vampire Weekend, The Decemberists, Amos Lee, TobyMac, and Chris Tomlin."

Arcade Fire should now be removed from this list as their song Reflektor has now appeared on the Hot 100. Also, Chris Tomlin and TobyMac should be added because they have now had #1 albums without any charting singles. By my count, "seventeen artists" should now be edited to "fifteen artists".


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now:: Thank you for raising this, and sorry for the delay in responding. The article cites a source dated February 3, 2011, which lists the 17. To make the change you describe, we need a new reliable source to supersede that. If you have one, please could you reply here with a link and change "answered=yes" to "answered=no" at the top of this section. For the time being, I've added the words "As of February 3, 2011" and have completed the list, which was missing Vaughn Meader, Soundgarden and Il Divo. --Stfg (talk) 15:18, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

The Rolling Stone
Didn't the Rolling Stones had 8 consecutive studio releases that reached Number 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.226.69.223 (talk) 02:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Kanye West
he has 6 consecutive #1s not 5 "While West's "Yeezus" may start slower than any of his previous solo sets, it should still lock up a No. 1 bow on next week's Billboard 200 chart. It will earn West his sixth consecutive No. 1 album -- and sixth chart-topper overall." from http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1567378/hip-hop-super-tuesday-kanye-west-leads-j-cole-gets-bigger

it reaches #1 - http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1568167/kanye-wests-yeezus-leads-four-top-10-debuts-on-billboard-200 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.225.13.78 (talk) 10:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * His debut album The College Dropout, did not peak at number 1, it peaked at number 2. See . Unless we would be counting Watch the Throne? Do we count collaboration albums in the total or is it just solo albums?  STATic  message me!  16:29, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The most number-ones section does count collaborations if the artist is namechecked on the album. See Jay Z. Two lists on the same page with different criteria will cause major confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.171.233.78 (talk) 17:18, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

JAY Z.
He has 9 consecutive no. 1 albums. they all debuted at no. 1 too. from blueprint 2 to magna carta. look in the jay z section above. there are sources. like i know compilations arent included in the streak because then eminems streak is cut short by curtain call. even if live in brooklyn is included he has 8 consecutive no.1s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.171.233.78 (talk) 17:25, 9 February 2014 (UTC)