Talk:Billie Piper

GRO Index
^ GRO Birth Registration Index (Paid registration required.) (1982).
 * Not correct, it can be accessed online by registration or pay to view but it is available in many libraries, record offices, TNA, LDS FHC etc. No different to quoting a book as reference, most are not available online.  It is the first step in confirming an approximate date of birth.  --jmb (talk) 10:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The notice applies to the site that is reached when one clicks the link. It does, in fact, required a fee for registration, and one must be registered to view it. Aeron (talk) 22:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just tried the aforementioned link and it now 404's so it's all a moot point anyhow. JimScott (talk) 06:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

FHM ranking
Could someone check the FHM ranking (in particular 2006), as I don't see billie on number 11 (it's paris hilton). Would somene provide citation for the rankings? Ğavin Ťing  17:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Name spelling
Okay, there are currently two spellings of her birth name (Leanne/Liane) user interchangeably on the page. Haven't we been here before? Seriously, is it Leanne, Liane or Leian? If anyone happens to know, fix it, yeah? Ta. \\Aeron (talk) 08:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Picture
Ok, obviously no offence to the photographer, but that is the most hideous picture! Piper is actually a lot prettier than that... Can't we find something better, e.g. on Flickr? Adaircairell (talk) 20:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I was just thinking how much more shaggable she looks in the photo than that dolled-up look she has on the telly. --Jenny 13:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Ellie Or Elle
I was just reading the sleeve notes of Walk Of Life, and Billie calls her sister Elle, not Ellie. Is there any where that actually confirms the name?203.192.85.33 (talk) 00:57, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

It is Ellie - Elle is her nickname. 62.164.250.214 (talk) 19:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Billie's school
Does anyone know where the information about Billie attending Brookfield School came from? She was at Oliver Tomkins when I was there, in my younger brother's year. We moved before they left primary school though so she may have changed schools later? Either way, she was definitely at Oliver Tomkins. Pcresham (talk) 08:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Name
Billie Paul Piper was born Leian Paul Piper.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=ONSBirth84&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=ms_db&gsfn=leian+paul&gsln=piper&_81004010=1982&dbOnly=_F00034D1|_F00034D1_x

It's spelt "Lianne" in some interviews just because they thought it was spelt that way when writing it, they did not asked Billie how it's spelt, but it's actually "Leian".

Billie said herself in those interviews "Leian" was legally changed weeks later to Billie.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=ONSBirth84&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=ms_r_db&gsfn=billie+paul&gsln=piper&_81004010=1982&dbOnly=_F00034D1|_F00034D1_x Israell (talk) 04:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Her current real and legal name is Billie Paul Piper as shown on those websites.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=ROOT_CATEGORY&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=ms_f-2&gsfn=billie+paul&gsln=piper&sbo=1

http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300&mode=results&searchstr=1630850&search_in=c&search_type=exact&search_det=t,s,w,p,b,v&results_pp=20&start=1 Israell (talk) 00:06, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Those links are rubbish and don't clearly support a name change. The strongest link imo is the Guardian interview Off2riorob (talk) 00:12, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

"Rubbish"? It's a moronic and retarded statement. Those links refer to the England & Wales Birth Index (Leian Paul Piper, Billie Paul Piper), a marriage record to Christopher Evans from the Nevada Marriage Index (Billie Paul Piper) and royalties credits from ASCAP and PRS (Billie Paul Piper).

All those sources are very much OFFICIAL. They show OFFICIAL information. Mistakes can be made in interviews and articles. They just thought it was spelt "Lianne" because "Leian" sounds that way.

HOW MANY interviews and articles from renowned magazines and websites say Marilyn Monroe's birth name was "Norma Jean", when it was "Norma Jeane"? What should be taken into consideration...

OFFICIAL birth records that say "Norma Jeane" OR any magazine, book or newspaper, no matter how prestigious that says "Norma Jean"? Can you answer that question? Israell (talk) 00:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Please do not refer to my comment as moronic and retarded, that is a personal attack Off2riorob (talk) 00:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

The use of the term "rubbish" is offensive and uncalled for. Is that the best term you could come up with to express yourself? It is simply NOT proper language on Wikipedia. Did you say "Those links are not sufficient", or something like that I would never have responded that way. I would only have explained why my sources are legitimate.

If you decide to show NO MANNERS and be uncivilized and rude, expect people to act the same way to you.

I used official birth, marriage and performing rights records, none of which are "rubbish". Your comment did not make sense and was offensive. Israell (talk) 00:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I have a new source for Leian Paul Piper. However, the England & Wales Birth Index, the Nevada Marriage Index (Billie Paul Piper) and both ASCAP & PRS are the most official and reliable sources that can be used. I just can't think of any other source more official! Why are we even having that silly dispute??? "Lianne" is MISINFORMATION. Period!

http://encyclopedia.stateuniversity.com/pages/2803/Billie-Paul-Piper.html Israell (talk) 01:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats a wikipedia mirror, the cleanest citation is the Guardian. Also shouting in capital letters is not correct here on wikipedia, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but what about the England & Wales Birth Index, the Nevada Marriage Index? And what about ASCAP and PRS? Why is the Guardian more reliable than England & Wales Birth Index that says "Leian Paul Piper" and "Billie Paul Piper", the Nevada Marriage Index that says "Billie Paul Piper" and ASCAP and PRS that say "Billie Paul Piper"?

I disagree with you. Go to the Courtney Love article. Many sources say Love Michelle etc. but official records say "Courtney Michelle Love" as her current legal name and "Courtney Michelle Harrisson" as her birth name.

"Although some sources give Love’s natal name as “Love Michelle Harrison,” her listing on the California Birth Index from the Center for Health Statistics gives a natal name of “Courtney Michelle Harrison." Between adoption from several step-fathers, she has also gone by the names “Courtney Michelle Rodriguez” and “Courtney Michelle Menely.” The name change to “Courtney Michelle Love” happened in early 1990s, in the beginning of her music career and after the end of her first marriage (of which the legal records still feature the name “Courtney Michelle Menely”). According to the same statistics list above, the natal status of Courtney’s 1992 born daughter, Frances Bean Cobain, already include “Love” as the mother’s maiden surname."

IF the California Birth Index from the Center for Health Statistics can be used as a source, why can't the England & Wales Birth Index and the Nevada Marriage Index? What is your argument? Why is the Guardian website article more reliable than England & Wales Birth Index, the Nevada Marriage Index? I'm not the one being stubborn here.

Why is it so hard for you to just understand they made a spelling mistake?! Billie said "Leian" in interviews. They thought it was spelt "Lianne". That's all!

It's a birth record or a marriage record or a name change certificate that shows the true spelling of someone's name. The won who types an article for the most prestigious site, book or magazine can make a mistake and is notthe definitive official source!

The England & Wales Birth Index and the Nevada Marriage Index are the most reliable sources. Please try to understand and comprehend what I'm saying.

Wasn't Billie Piper born in Wiltshire??? The England & Wales Birth Index says Leian Paul Piper was born in Wilthshire. It also says Billie Paul Piper -legally changed from Billie Paul Piper- was born in Wiltshire.

Wasn't Billie Piper married to Chris Evans? The Nevada Marriage Index says Billie Paul Piper was married to Christopher Evans, which shows once again Billie's name was legally changed from Leian Paul Piper to Billie Paul Piper.

Please explain to me whyis Barbara Ellen a better source, a more official and reliable source than the England & Wales Birth Index, the Nevada Marriage Index + ASCAP and PRS???

I demand a clear, rational and logical explantion. Where did Barbara Ellen see it written "Lianne"? She might have seen that on any website. Did she look at the birth record??

No! 'Cause it says Leian, not Lianne. Israell (talk) 02:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Its a free, wikipedia reliable citation and non subscription site, which is visible for all people to see. Please, you have nothing to demand here, at the least try and be polite.Off2riorob (talk) 02:35, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

You refuse to understand the arguments I am using to improve this article. I haven't visited this article in years. Last time I visited it the information was correct.

The article said birth records showed "Leian" and weeks later the name was legally changed to "Billie". The article used the birth record as a source.

All I want is the accurate information to be featured in this article, not some spelling mistake made by a journalist from a website, even if the site is approved by Wikipedia.

Birth and marriage records are the best sources we can find. They are 100% official. Many Wikipedia articles rely on birth records; Marilyn Monroe's, Courtney Love's, Anton Lavey's and more. So why can't the Billie Piper article rely on them as well?

Aren't birth and marriage records Wikipedia reliable? The answer is yes.

The information found on the Guardian site is wrong! It is misinformation and that is not allowed on Wikipedia.

Why should we allow the Wikipedia Billie Piper article to display the false "Lianne" information when an official birth record from the England & Wales Birth Index says "Leian"?

Why not display the truth? Wikipedia should only display truthful information. You should give Wikipedia reasons why you think your information is the right one.

You're basically saying you understand birth and marriage records clearly show that Billie Piper was born Leian Paul Piper, which was legally changed weeks later to Billie Paul Piper, but the false information shall remain just because you believe the Guardian website is more reliable than official birth, marriage records and information from ASCAP and PRS.

I have been on Wikipedia for years, did not edit much but read several articles and know for a fact birth records, name change records etc. are the definitive sources we can trust when it comes to the official spelling of names and legal name changes.

"Lianne" is misinformation and by Wikipedia standard cannot remain on the article. Israell (talk) 03:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I have now found a new source for "Leian" and the legal name change to "Billie".

"With the Doctor cast, attention now turned to finding an actress to portray Rose. Davies and his team finally settled on Billie Piper, who had ridden the wave of teenage pop princesses to the top of the British charts beginning in 1998. Born Leian Piper (her first name being legally changed by her parents while she was still an infant), her ambition had always been acting rather than singing, however, and in 2003 -- two years after abandoning her music career -- she found acclaim with a role in The Canterbury Tales."

http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/2005a.html Israell (talk) 03:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I have found a new source! From the Telegraph this time. It says 1- It's "Leian Paul Piper", not "Lianne Paul Piper". 2- It says it was legally changed to "Billie Paul Piper" on April 25, 1983. I see Nick Barrat did a much better research. The Telegraph article is very much detailed and even talks about her ancestry all the way back to the 19th Century. It also gives Billie's parent's middle names. Therefore, it's a much better source than the Guardian.

"Leian Paul Piper was born in Swindon on September 22, 1982. On April 25, 1983, her name was officially changed to Billie Paul Piper by her parents, Paul Victor Piper and Mandy Kane Kent."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1435159/Family-Detective.html Israell (talk) 04:36, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I have found another source. TV Guide! Says "Leian" was legally changed to "Billie".

"Birth name was Leian, but her parents legally changed it to Billie less than a year after she was born."

http://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/billie-piper/bio/192300 Israell (talk) 04:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

An IP editor deleted citations supporting the apparently correct spelling of Billie's given name. I reverted the deletion, because these citations were the result of a protracted editing battle on the subject, as evidenced above. Note I agree that the intro paragraph could be cleaner, and most should be, but in THIS case, the citations are actually important. Please discuss. --Lexein (talk) 09:10, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The same editor who changed the name to its evidently correct form (Lianne) also deleted the citations. It's not hard to see why. The sources give the name as Leian Piper and Leian Paul Piper (so they aren't exactly agreeing with each other). I think the only way to cut through this knot is to go to an authoritative source, namely Billie herself. In her autobiography Growing Pains, p.74, she states that she was originally registered as Lianne Piper (spelt that way twice), and later re-registered. Confusingly, she then states that "Billie Paul Piper" was born on 22 Sept '82, but she is obviously speaking retrospectively. Whatever this or that newspaper or TV guide may say (probably 'amending' themselves and copying WP or one another in an endless circle), 'Lianne' is how Billie herself spells it and I think she ought to know. I will alter the article accordingly, delete the erroneous sources and put in the citation from the autobiography. And, hopefully, that will be that. Gnostrat (talk) 12:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The name is shown in the General Register Office Birth Index as Leian Paul Piper, Q4 1982 Swindon and mother's maiden name Kent.--jmb (talk) 07:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, that plain contradicts what Billie herself wrote in her autobiography. Do you have an online source that we can readily access for citation purposes?


 * You see, I've a problem with this. So there's a Leian Paul Piper on the Birth Index. Israell had already told us that, but hasn't so far produced any convincing evidence that this person is the same as Billie. The ancestry research site used by Israell is a pay-to-view site so I haven't accessed the record (and I don't think Israell has either), but what I can read there is that there's a separate record for Billie and it isn't necessarily the case that this Leian Paul Piper is the same individual at all. "Wiltshire, Hampshire, Dorset/Somerset" covers a pretty wide area.


 * The record says the mother's maiden name was Kent. Does it supply her full name? Is the father's name Paul Victor? Moreover, do we know that Billie's mother's maiden name was Kent, as she is named in the Personal life section? I note that there is no citation to back that up. The Mark Drew reference merely names her as Mandy Piper. As far as I've checked, Billie nowhere states her mother's maiden name in her autobiography either. So perhaps we should take Nick Barratt's word for it? But what were his sources? If he's using the Birth Index...is he possibly also conflating the details for this Leian Paul Piper and his/her mother with our Billie and her mother?


 * If it does turn out that the Leian of the Birth Index became Billie, I'm at a loss to explain the autobiography. I suppose it's always possible that she doesn't know how to spell her birth name since she's never had to use it, but I think the default assumption has to be otherwise, don't you? I doubt it's her ghost-writer's error; Billie would surely have read it through before it went to print. I also used the reissued and updated edition. She would have had ample opportunity to make corrections. Gnostrat (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


 * There are no free online sites to access the Birth Index though there are places where you can go in person to view it or you can send off your £9.25 for a copy of the Birth Certificate.
 * Billie Paul Piper Q4 1982 Swindon Mother Kent v23 p1881
 * Leian Paul Piper Q4 1982 Swindon Mother Kent v23 p1881
 * Note they both have the same references
 * Not sure what happens when there is a name change and whether an addition birth entry is made for the new name, it is possible. --jmb (talk) 17:35, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Front image
A newer picture than 2006 is certainly welcome, but it must not be at risk of speedy deletion due to copyright violations. How can you help? Upload and release per WP licensing policy (CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL) a photograph of Billie which you took which does not violate anyone's copyright! --Lexein (talk) 08:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Orlando Bloom
I'm not sure if I'm going about this in the right way, but the article states that Billie Piper played Orlando Bloom's love interest in Things to Do Before You're 30. Orlando Bloom is not in that movie. Thanks V35lmt (talk) 12:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

2010
Is she role as Rose Tyler in 2010? --JerryofWong (talk) 19:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Top Gear
(Add it to main article?) She appeared in Top Gear S09E06 as "the Star In A Reasonably Priced Car." (proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWbnOym4nIk) -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.80.50.93 (talk • contribs) 01:38, 8 February 2011
 * Celebs make lots of promotional appearances. This article doesn't list any. You may already know that WP:YOUTUBE isn't a RS unless it's Ms. Piper's, BBC's, Top Gear's, or a news outlet's channel. The YouTube link now leads to "Billie Piper..." This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by BBC Worldwide Ltd.. Sorry about that." I found one WP:RS with nothing special about her Top Gear appearance:
 * Billie Piper gets revved up : Dr Who star set to appear on Top Gear. Now Magazine, 5 February 2007.
 * This source might be substantial enough for another part of the article, about her courtship, though, unless it's already covered by other sources.
 * --Lexein (talk) 21:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Billie Piper / Jimmy Osmond Charting Confusion
Please can someone take off the deletion note? It is a valid page with sources and it a genuine argument that arises often. People get confused between Billie Piper DEBUTING at number one and Jimmy Osmond getting a number one. Very different things, explained here. Please don't delete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.178.169 (talk) 17:30, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

For people not from Britain, and just for clarity's sake, it would be beneficial to mention what charts are involved in the following statements. Some of these are very ambiguous and the wording is iffy, in my opinion (aka. "get a number one"). ^ The difference being that Jimmy Osmond didn't enter at number one, he climbed, Billie entered her first week at number one. Therefore making her the youngest to ENTER (Debut) at number one AND the second youngest to receive a number one at all.


 * 1) Piper is currently the youngest artist to ever debut at number one, she did this aged 15 with Because We Want To.[8]
 * 2) She is also currently the second youngest artist to get a number one, behind Jimmy Osmond.
 * 3) Billie Piper is the youngest and first female solo singer to reach the top spot with her first two singles, Because We Want To and Girlfriend  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.238.216 (talk) 09:56, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Use of Body Doubles - Never Does Nudity
There's some admission of body doubles being used while she was pregnant, but there isn't a SINGLE scene (just watched every ep in a marathon) where there's frontal nudity where her face is in view. The sex scenes or frontal nudity all involve a girl who has a freckle in the middle lower portion of her chest which Billie definitely doesn't have when you look through photos of her in other stuff or candid. Also the tattoo on her wrist is different in boldness and shading in all her nude scenes and her hair looks like a wig to a laughable degree.

So, I would state that she does NOT do a single nude scene (sure she might do 'sex scenes', from behind, or with a sheet wrapped around her which is the ONLY way you'll see her in sex scenes where face is visible) without use of a body double. Problem is, this is original research, so, any of you wikipedian editors out there got any sauce on this? 121.216.97.167 (talk) 16:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I think they used the body double starting from season 2 of Secret Diary of a Call Girl. There were short nude scenes in season 1.  Have a look at episode 5. --93.104.127.247 (talk) 14:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

WTF at New Pic
Ew, yuck, spew! Billie Piper is a beautiful woman, but the new picture is the most unflattering photo of her ever! Please, can we change it to something... else?--Meluvseveryone (talk) 07:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree, please change to a nicer picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.185.255 (talk) 08:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Perhaps we should discuss which is best. Considerations include non-free vs free (free is always preferred), image quality, portrayal of the subject in appropriate circumstances, and image age. I always liked B, below, and saw no reason to change until a markedly better image arrived. Image A is unflattering. There are a lot of images of her, but few are usable in a BLP. There was one of her seated holding a water bottle which I disliked due to redeye and some sweatiness, but I can't find it. --Lexein (talk) 09:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Billie looks good in most photos but Option B is her natural self, more glamorous, more at ease, more interesting surroundings and captures the smile for which she is celebrated. It's a softer focus but that's an advantage. Option A, she really doesn't look like she's enjoying herself much. Sharper isn't always better. Gnostrat (talk) 21:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I quite like the one we had before, at the book signing, Option B.--Meluvseveryone (talk) 03:41, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

VOTE: "Billie Paul Piper (born Leian Paul Piper)" instead of "Lianne"
I believe there is enough evidence that Billie Piper's birth name was Leian Paul Piper, then changed to Billie Paul Piper. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Billie_Piper#Name

The actual spelling was "Leian", not "Lianne" (even if Billie's official autobiography says "Lianne"). Keep in mind Billie's name was legally changed when she was still a baby. Therefore, she never actually made any use of her former name herself, never had to write or sign it, which explains confusion on its actual spelling.

Should the lead now say: "Billie Paul Piper (born Leian Paul Piper)" instead of "Lianne"?

YAY Israell (talk) 15:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Is the voting over? Sorry, I haven't been around for a while. I semi-retired from Wikipedia and didn't come back to this question, but I'm going to go with 'Leian' after finding another Radio Times article with that form of the name, and having discovered that her autobiography misspells Christopher Eccleston's name too (as Ecclestone).


 * However, I suspect this controversy may keep returning, in the shape of good-faith edits, because of the seeming authoritative source for 'Lianne'. So I propose that a footnote be added, alerting readers to the alternative spelling in Growing Pains and the fact that both spellings are widely current in the various sources.


 * I was fortunate enough to meet her at the Midnight convention last December and I wish I'd remembered to ask her directly! Ah well...I guess 'personal communication' wouldn't be accepted as a valid source on WP anyway. *rolls eyes* Gnostrat (talk) 05:13, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Billie's first onscreen TV appearance
Can this be included on the main article? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsNcHEqVDME). This was her first onscreen TV appearance. benriggers (talk) 01:12, 14 October 2013
 * Almost certainly not, since it's extremely likely to be a copyright violation. See WP:YOUTUBE. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:42, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Well can't it at least be mentioned? benriggers (talk) 01:26 27 October 2013

Subscription required. Really.
The Sun articles are completely unreadable from the U.S.: title and date only. I've added subscription required to them, and removed the "format=No subscription required" everywhere. I would be completely amenable to indicating from where subscriptions are required, and where not. Example: (subscription required outside U.K., limited views within U.K.) or whatever is the case. --Lexein (talk) 22:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Kids birthdates
I despecified the children's birthdays - any problems with that? --Lexein (talk) 22:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Scratchy & Co.
Her work on this show is not reflected on her IMDB.com page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0684877/) nor is it shown in the credits on this entry. Scratchy ran from January - April in 1998, when she was 15. (http://www.paulmorris.co.uk/satkids/scratchy.htm)

Was recording contract, also when 15, before of after TV show? Answer could improve readability of run-on 2nd sentence. RaqiwasSushi (talk) 13:45, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Related Move
Talk:Walk of Life (Billie Piper song) In ictu oculi (talk) 07:18, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Stage Information
The stage information for Billie Piper is grossly out of date and inaccurate. Edits for Piper have been disabled so can someone please update to the following:

Stage:

Why "Paul"?
and not, for instance, "Pauline"?--2001:A61:3A54:601:385C:6D05:8273:596A (talk) 09:50, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Needs cleaning up
Not trying to be that person on here that demands everything but I am new to this and would not know where to start myself. I personally feel like this whole article is quite messy and doesn’t follow the correct guidelines. For a personality like Piper, her article should be much like the rest of the people in her same calibre - I understand it’s more difficult due to the music career but if someone could do something with this article to make it more presentable and professional, it would be greatly appreciated. (For example, there’s two images on top of each other and things like that and “Other work” when it’s not actually different to her acting career). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:B655:E400:D5C4:8435:953D:C26D (talk) 00:35, 27 August 2020 (UTC)