Talk:Billy Butlin

Photo
Found Some Public Domain Photographs of Billy in his Heyday on the Imperial War museum Homepage, If anyone has better Quality ones they would be appreciated. Also since his headstone is pretty distinct if anyone can upload photographs of it to commons they'd also be appreciated. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 15:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Sunday Herald Article
Discovered this source from the 1952 Sydney, Sunday Herald. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18509519 It has a lot of detail I've not seen anywhere else, I don't know if that makes it unreliable or not - if anyone has opinion It would be appreciated. It's good because it's a secondary source that backs up the biography at butlins-memories it does however have a few conflicts with (his place of birth is the first) advice appreciate Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 17:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Took decision to use judiciously where it doesn't conflict with other sources. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 23:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Frederick Devine
According to the cayman islands link, Billy's estate was in part to go to Frederick T Devine - seemingly Sheila's Son from before they married, I'm looking for sources that clarify the relationship with Billy if anyone can find one. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 19:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Reading through the Trustees of the Billy Butlin Trust, it looks like Frederick Terry Devine relates to Sheila's brother (known just as Terry) who was the General Manager of Butlins Bognor in the 60's and went on to run Butlin Jersey Enterprises when Billy retired. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 22:43, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Some Tips

 * Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Lead.
 * Article is about a person, please add person data See WP:PDATA along with the required parameters to the article - see Persondata for more information.
 * Dablinks - Billy Butlin links to 2 different disambiguation pages. Nassau, Tiverton.-- . Shlok  talk. 06:21, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think all three of those have been improved upon. The lead may require to be tightened up but I think it fairly summarises the article. Person Data added and DabLinks sorted. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 09:33, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


 * There are a number of run-together sentences, and possible typographic errors, such as 'late a scenic railway and dodgem car -- the first in Britain were added.', which should perhaps be 'Later, a scenic railway and dodgem cars--the first in Britain, were added.' Also the notation of '.5' for five pounds (if this is truly the case) is unfamiliar to readers outside Britain. I'm not personally sure how one would include a pound mark. 75.42.76.253 (talk) 20:43, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed the first though the latter is showing as a pound mark for me. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 21:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Water speed record
Coverage of Butlin's involvement with this is missing. He promised £5,000 bonuses to Donald Campbell for breaking the record. The structure of these bonuses, and the way that they were awarded for quite small increments over the previous record had a significant influence on Campbell's tactics, encouraging repeated small advances on the record, rather than a single large push (although these small-slice tactics eventually led to Campbell being written out of the Wikipedia land speed record article!). Campbell collected the bonus four times, which made a massive contribution to his personal finances, and his funding for further record attempts - Donald Campbell was never the rich man his father Malcolm had been.

There's a whole chapter entitled "The Butlin Years" in Tremayne's The Man Behind The Mask bio of Campbell. If I have time (which is unfortunately short) I might try to add a section. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Steam railway preservation
Butlin had a small, but significant, influence on the preservation of UK steam locomotives. He acquired a couple (?) of withdrawn locos in the '60s and placed them at the camps for purely decorative reasons. At least one was later restored to running service. As these were unusually large locos for the typical preservation society budget in the '60s, these were types that were otherwise unlikely to have been preserved. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:26, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, One of the major sources for the article (and other Butlin's related articles) is Peter Scott's "A History of the Butlin's Railways" where it mentions 6229 Duchess of Hamilton,  6233 Duchess of Sutherland ,  6203 Princess Margaret Rose ,  6100 Royal Scot, and 4 smaller steam engines ( Brighton, Martello, Knowle and Granville ) -But Scott says himself that Butlin didn't buy them for Preservation purposes and it wasn't Butlin himself but adoptive son Robert that gifted them to preservation societies after his father had retired. As such the preservation tale might sit better under Butlins than it would in Billy's biography. Stuart.Jamieson (talk)
 * I think there's scope for including them, and the water speed record, as an example of Butlin's personal interest in innovative marketing ploys. This wasn't steam preservation (they were only intended as static exhibits for small boys to marvel at), but it was an aspect of Butlin. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That does sound reasonable, if we can get sources discussing Butlin's Intent in these activities. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 12:16, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Timing of launch
A big factor in the success of his first holiday camp was the new law that obliged employers to provide paid holidays. (See his memoirs). 86.183.206.77 (talk) 16:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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