Talk:Billy Hayes (writer)

Requested move (old)
Billy Hayes (smuggler) → Billy Hayes — Billy Hayes is currently a disambiguation page with only one actual link to an article; Billy Hayes (smuggler) of Midnight Express fame. I don't see the point in creating disambiguation pages when no other articles exist with the same name and I would have moved this myself, but recently a similar instance (Walker House) was reverted by an editor, so I'm proposing here first. Saikokira 04:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Add  # Support   or   # Oppose   on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~ .  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in support of the move

 * 1) Support I think description is out of place next to a person's name. It makes it part of the person's identity. Plus it's a matter of mercy. If it were me, I wouldn't want the negative qualifier glaring at me thirty years after the crime. Telogen 06:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Support I support the move because, while he was obviously smuggling according to the movie, he was only convicted of possession, and this was according to the Turkish legal system.  Nevertheless, wikipedia parenthetical attributions are usually according to their occupation or their main emphasis for why they are in wikipedia.  Perhaps instead of smuggler, it could be (author). Rhetth 14:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

 * 1) Oppose. It is not clear that this is the primary use.  Also the 'description' after the name for the support vote above is not an issue here since that is the standard way to dab an article when there are multiple uses.  If the dab is not correct it should be changed and not be used as a reason to make an ill advised move. Vegaswikian 22:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *I will support a move to Billy Hayes (writer) since that is what he is today and is more significant then the crime that gave him his start as an author. Vegaswikian 07:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) **Should this comment be moved to the Support area? Rhetth 14:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. Note that the title Billy Hayes (writer) is unobstructed, should a move to that title be desired. --Stemonitis 16:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Requested move
The requested move to Billy Hayes above did not reach a consensus, but the only opposing opinion was also in support for a move to Billy Hayes (writer), so I'd like to propose that move. Chrisahn (talk) 22:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) Support For the largest part of his life, Billy Hayes has been working as director, actor and writer. He is probably best known for being a writer. He did smuggle hashish at least once, but it is not clear that smuggling was ever an important part of his life. Also see WP:Biographies of living persons. Chrisahn (talk) 22:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This move remained unobstructed, and as no one objected, I have moved the page per your request. Feel free to be WP:BOLD next time. Dekimasu よ! 05:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I am not *contesting* the move per se (which was done years ago), but I disagree that Mr. Hayes' article should be classified as a "Billy Hayes (writer and actor)". The guidelines do indeed encourage Wikipedians to be bold, however, the guidelines on WP:BLP specify that the subject is notable (read- what it is that made that person famous or noteworthy). And Mr. Hayes was originally notable because of his Turkish smuggling activity. This eventually led to his writing about his experiences in prison. However, most readers who need to look up an article about Mr. Hayes will not know him for his acting, if the reader knows about the book then the reader will likely look up an article entry for Midnight Express (the book) not the author. Anyone looking at the article for the book or movie will still think Mr. Hayes = smuggling, not acting! What I'd like to see is a move that includes smuggling in the parentheses (include the writing and acting, if you wish, but include smuggling) please! SeaBeeDee 19:51, 26 September 2016 (UTC) SeaBeeDee 19:51, 26 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeaBeeDee (talk • contribs)

Whitelisting
In early March, Outrate.net was blacklisted for adding too many links to Wikipedia, which represented a COI according to Wikipedia policies. But this has meant that a number of valid Outrate.net links were automatically removed.

Our lengthy interview with Billy Hayes (Aug 05) was removed from the Interviews and External Links section of your Billy Hayes page. The deep link to the interview is here: outrate.net/billyhayes.html

I believe you are able to replace this link, if you would like to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.253.33.127 (talk) 23:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

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