Talk:Biocybernetics

Redirect?
This article briefly lists computational/mathematical modeling approaches which seem synonymous with those described in systems biology (as noted in the article's "Same or familiar fields" subsection). Opinions on a redirect to the systems biology article? J. Hengenius (talk) 16:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Any new sources
All the cited sources are quite dated, anything more up to date JCL564 (talk) 17:53, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

> This journal perhaps a good source? https://www.elsevier.com/journals/personal/biocybernetics-and-biomedical-engineering/0208-5216 --Hinterlander1 (talk) 10:46, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

> Also this research centre: https://www.kyb.tuebingen.mpg.de/en — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hinterlander1 (talk • contribs) 10:52, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Useful source for early definition
"Cybernetics is the study of communication and control in machines and living organisms. Biocybernetics is that part of cybernetics in which living organisms are emphasized. In biocybernetics there are two fields which one must distinguish between, even though this distinction cannot be made perfectly sharp. These fields are: neurocybernetics and medical cybernetics. The former is concerned with the pathways of action via sense-organs, neurons and effectors because of the fact that cybernetics is primarily concerned with the construction of theories and models. The symbols and hardware in neurocybernetics resemble more closely the elements of the nervous system and the sense-organs. Cybernetics is not only the study of control and communication in man and machine, but also between man and machine. This volume contains the proceedings of the Symposium on Cybernetics of the Nervous System held at the Royal Dutch Academy of Sciences in April 1962."

Wiener, N., & Schadé, J. P. (1963). Introduction to Neurocybernetics. In N. Wiener & J. P. Schadé (Eds.), Progress in Brain Research (Vol. 2, pp. 1-7). Elsevier. https://doi.org/https://doi.org/10.1016/S0079-6123(08)62055-5 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hinterlander1 (talk • contribs) 10:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Biological cybernetics stub
There is a biological cybernetics stub that now redirects here.

I think that may be a better title to develop this article under, as it can take in the broader range of cybernetics in biology, including cybernetics' application to biology and biology's influence on cybernetics. Work by McCulloch, Rosenblueth, Maturana, etc. could be included. This would give a better justification for keeping an article independent of systems biology. It would also be helpful to have a place to expand on this separate to the main cybernetics article, as that is very long already.

SO: I propose reversing the redirect. --Hinterlander1 (talk) 11:26, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Or possible, renaming as something like 'Cybernetics in biology'. This would be an easier article to write.--Hinterlander1 (talk) 23:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)