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German passport
How do I get a German passport, my mother is German and father is English. I have lived in England all my life but would like to apply for a German passport. My mother passed away 6 years ago, am I still entiteled to a German passport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.153.193 (talk) 21:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Visa in Albanian passport
i live australia and have resident visa in my old passport what happen with my visa when i get the biometric one they say it gets cancel everything when u get the biometric than what i do stay in albania? and keep the biometric for when i go to the toilet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhak albania (talk • contribs) 09:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Italian Passports and fingerprinting
From the article: As of January 2010 newly issued passports contain fingerprints. I was issued an Italian passport by the Vancouver consulate in February of 2010 and was not required to provide my fingerprints. This needs citation/clarification. Emelpy (talk) 22:54, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Turkish Biometric Passport - ICAO Mandate
From the article: "Unless Turkish Government starts issuing machine readable passports by 1 April 2010 according to the ICAO mandate, Turkish citizens are going to be barred from air-travel." It seems the author of this line hasn't even read the reference document he/she has included. The information paper by ICAO clearly states that paper only passports will be accepted for air travel until April 2015. I won't bother correcting any more since my contributions are reverted blatantly. 193.140.92.233 (talk) 12:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC) - Annex 9 to the Convention on International Civil Aviation Article d.3.10: “Contracting States shall begin issuing only Machine Readable Passports in accordance with the specifications of Doc 9303, Part 1, no later than 1 April 2010.” http://www.parlament.hu/irom/02918/fugg/en/an09_cons.pdf

- ''According to ICAO provisions, anyone not carrying a machine-readable passport after mid-April 2010 will be punished. ICAO has also authorized airport officials to deport passengers to their home countries if they are found flying without digital passports. ICAO has already circulated information about the mandatory provision on machine-readable passports to its 190 member countries.''

- News: ''A new biometric passport has been launched in Liberia that will replace the old. The old one will continue to be valid until April 30, 2010.'' --Deksar (talk) 13:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you show the sources for the remaining two quotes, from ICAO papers? 193.140.92.233 (talk) 17:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Image Label (Biometric vs ePassport)
I'm quite sure that the picture labeled as "Biometric passport icon" is wrong. That symbol is for the ePassport, which is not the same concept as being biometric. http://travel.state.gov/passport/eppt/eppt_2788.html#Eight

Thanks.


 * The main purpose of the electronic passport was to add cryptographically signed biometric data (initially often only a portrait optimized for facial recognition systems). So the two concepts are quite closely related. Markus Kuhn (talk) 10:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Bio-metric refers to taking fingerprints, image recognition, and retinal scans. "E" as in "ePassport" is short for "electronic".

"Bio-metric passport" and "e-passport" are not the same thing.

Bio-metrics can be in the form of a fingerprint and photo on a non-electronic passport.

Likewise, and electronic passport can contain no bio-metric data. Unggoydiyos (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

passports in Europe
Im husband of EU citizens,my nationality is indian i m not member of EUcitizens, so can i abel to get new biometric passport??
 * How many EU citizens are you husband to? NinjaKid 14:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes you are able to receive a biometric passport. theyve been issued to ALL uk passport holders —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.17.122.196 (talk) 22:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Singapore biometric passports
Added a section for Singapore biometric passports. --Brandon 09:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

CRTICISM
here is more information on the problems faced by epassport on the UK and europe 

ICAO Passports COULD be Citizen Controlled and secured
I was very surprised to read the article on biometrics passports. It is clearly subjectively positive favoring the claim that ICAO passports are anywhere nearly secure enough to be deployed on the scale presently forced through by a few governments.

At the Id World in Milan we had a session on Electronic passports where I was invited to talk and the head of the ICAO working group on standardization was heading the panel. http://www.priway.com/docs/idworld_passport_engberg20061129.pdf

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.237.34.236 (talk) 16:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

U.S. Biometric Passports
I think that the reason the US is not using iris recognition or fingerprints in its new biometric passport has less to do with keeping down the cost, and more to do with the general aversion in the US to "Big Brother". Many people in the US would revolt, if they were told that in order to get a passport they needed to be fingerprinted or have some other biometric recording made. Sure, cost is a factor, but it's not the main factor. Steggall 14:18 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, some states (I know California for sure) require fingerprints when obtaining a driver's licence. There doesn't seem to be much of a revolt against that. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 13:38, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

"...though they still expect that nearly all new or renewed passports issued by the department to American citizens will be biometric by the end of 2006, other sources say it won't happen until mid-2007." This should be updated, as it is now mid-2007. I just received my first U.S. passport yesterday, issued by the State Department, and it has the biometric feature. So it seems likely that the conversion has happened, but at the moment I don't have the time to research exactly when it happened. --LarryGilbert 22:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

What is a 'European' Passport?
The term 'European passport' is used in this article, but without defining 'European' in this context. Does it mean the European Union (25 countries)? Or the European Economic Area (another 3 countries: including Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein)? Or does it include other European Countries such as Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, Bosnia? Or all 56 members of the OCSE (I would doubt it)? Some clarification would be helpful. Simhedges 23:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it's referring to the EU - the leaflet that came with my British biometric passport says "In line with new European Union standards, we are also considering including fingerprints in biometric passports in the future." --Jonnymoblin 20:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

British biometric passport
Does anyone know if the Identity and Passport Service has stopped issuing the old non-biometric passports? I know that my younger sister received a child biometric passport, so they must be well on their way with implementing it. Also, is the bit about applying from the British Embassy needed? --Jonnymoblin 20:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Citations...
There's a whole lot needed in this article... rootology (T) 23:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

More information on UK Biometrics
I run fraud lessons for a finance company in how to detect false forms of ID. We already discuss the security measures in the old red european machine readable passports, but there isn't enough data around to properly train people on the new UK biometric passports. Does anyone have any pictures of the visa pages, UV reactions, watermarks, latent images, destriperfs or any of the other features? If so, can you upload them? (Please be careful to block out any personal information before you do!) NinjaKid 14:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Flexibility and Rigidity of Biometric Passports
The new biometric passports appear to have something in common: the chip page is rigid. I am avoiding renewing my passport like the plague - for years I've placed my passport in my back jeans pocket, and the passport bends to the contours of my rear as you'd expect from a paper document.

Certain countries, like Australia, take delight in punishing their citizens for the slightest infractions. I can just see that snapped chip pages will be a great source of revenue for the Australian Government.

What prevents governments from being pragmatic and having a flexible chip page?

Update
I've noted French passports have a chip but they are entirely flexible just like the old Australian / American / UK passports. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.58.234.53 (talk) 12:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Just to add...
The country of Macedonia has recently distributed biometric passports amongst its citizens.

Moldavian biometric passport
Hi, I have just added a paragraph on Moldavian biometric passport.--Passportistca (talk) 15:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)Passportistca

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Colombia
On 16 June 2010, Colombia announced they would issue biometrics beginning 15 July 2010 in Bogota only, and 05 August 2010 elsewhere in the country and in consulates worldwide, this was due to consistent complaints from persons seeking visas who had been turned down due to not having biometric passports, this technically goes into effect worldwide for Colombians tomorrow, but it has not yet been changed in the system. The current non-biometric ones are still valid until 24 November 2015. This information is available at any Embassy or Consulate of Colombia website as well as the Colombian Department of State's website, and in Spain on the wikipedia article about Colombian passports 99.72.139.92 (talk) 23:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

copyright issues
I am afraid there are copyright issues with the gallery and have started a discussion at WP:Media copyright questions. Feel free to comment! L.tak (talk) 16:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Egyptian passports not biometric
The article says Egyptian passports have the chip in the back cover. I have in front of me an Egyptian passport (the new style of passport) issued June 2011 and there is no chip. It does have a barcode under the photo though that probably contains some info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.232.180.35 (talk) 17:53, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Argentina 2012
Government has made it official today (16 June 2012). All new Argentine passports will be biometric from now on. Source: http://www.lmneuquen.com.ar/noticias/2012/6/16/presentaron-el-nuevo-pasaporte_151329

Someone should include it, and add the country to the map.--190.48.81.153 (talk) 03:25, 16 June 2012 (UTC) ✅

Napoleonic Era
The opposition section should be changed:

Privacy proponents in many countries question and protest the lack of information about exactly what the passports' chip will contain, and whether they impact civil liberties. The main problem they point out is that data on the passports can be transferred with wireless RFID technology, which can become a major vulnerability. Although this could allow ID-check computers to obtain a person's information without a physical connection, especially by governmental employees and politically aligned people, it may also allow anyone with the necessary equipment to perform the same task. If the personal information and passport numbers on the chip are not encrypted, the information might wind up in the wrong hands. This is reminiscent of Napoleonic registration of subjects and possibly tracking of individuals.

'''Everyone in the government is interrelated and they are using third parties for fake political campaigns and acting. It is now even more evident with hollywood celebrities entering races and giving political advise and political people appointed to private sector companies. Even the news is manipulated by these people. Kingdoms and monarchies exists even nowadays. There is no true democracy. ''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.49.175.65 (talk) 04:12, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

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India
India doesn't have biometric passport ... plz fix the Image

Agreed. Here's a source confirming that India does not currently issue biometric passports as of April 2019 https://www.cntraveller.in/story/indians-will-soon-get-e-passport-exactly/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldrichr (talk • contribs) 17:55, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The CNN article dates to Jan 2019. Do you have an Indian passport issued after that date that is still not biometric? (Conversely does anyone have one issued last year that *is* biometric?) MortimerGraves (talk) 23:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The Government of India issues three different types of passports – Diplomatic passports; Official passports; and regular or ordinary passports. At present only Diplomatic passport holders of India get e-passports. The rest of the population does not. The Indian government hopes to start issuing e-passports for ordinary Indian citizens in the future. --Liberty Pedia (talk) 11:14, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The point above is correct - India does not issue biometric passports to ordinary citizens. There are a few exceptions for trials but the map is inaccurate.

Here is an article that refers to how plans exist for a future implementation of biometric ordinary passports -

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/indians-to-get-chip-enabled-e-passport-all-you-need-to-know/articleshow/76624604.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldrichr (talk • contribs) 14:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

A plan does not mean that something is available right now. As of writing, no one applying for a regular Indian passport can obtain a biometric passport. The map was and remains inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldrichr (talk • contribs) 15:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Map update to reflect Saudi Arabia update
Saudi Arabia began issuing biometric passports a couple of weeks ago, so I was wondering if the map on this page could reflect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.116.229 (talk) 04:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Bahraini e-passports began issuance on March 20, 2023
May someone please update the map to show Bahrain as being a biometric-passport issuer? Thanks.Nay1989 (talk) Nay1989 (talk) 06:59, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Bahrain and Iraq have biometric passports as of March 2023
Please have this reflect on the biometric passport map. Nay1989 (talk) 04:31, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Visible entry and departing records???
User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow The technology is only good for government but bad for passort holders. My this opinion is based on the fact that the records of entry and departing are not visible at all through naked eyes.

Why did the tech blokes not thinking of the validation aspect of biometric passport? If the records of entry and departing are stored electronically, at least the customs service unit should issue a receipt to the passort holder, shouldn't they?

See my encounters in the following

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Australian_Customs_Service


 * It's not the tech blokes who mess up the entire thing, it's the politicians, as usual. Technically, a contact-only card would serve the exact same purpose, for example, and do away with half the problems. Likewise, technically, all the mechanisms that actually could hope to make this thing halfway "secure" are optional... surely not by wish of the tech guys. All in all: your (and my) government doesn't give a damn about your well-being and those rights they did not (yet) take away from you, and solely cares about how to better keep tabs on you (and to make it easier to throw you in jail: how can you prove you did not cross border XY when you have no actual, independently verifiable proof (like a stamp or lack thereof), but have to rely on their systems...? Surely the "proof" was not forged by them, eh?). Telling you things would enable you to keep checks on their actions, and they don't avoid that like the plague for no reason. By their own mantra "who has nothing to hide has nothing to fear (from having no privacy)", governments prove through their very own paranoid fear of being checked, that they do have something to hide.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.230.62.207 (talk • contribs) 2010-06-23T04:17:02 (UTC)

Religious Opposition
User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow It's been a big fuss in Romania and I've heard thet some big religious name in Greece also opposes it. They say that the chip, like bar codes, contains the number 666 (it's been dubbed "The 666 chip" or "The 666 passport") and is "the mark of the beast" that people are forced to wear, and it's the sign of the apocalypse etc. I know that it's complete nonsense, but I think it's pretty important - in Romania it was discussed in the government. 193.32.100.17 (talk) 09:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Do these hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic rumours detail, whether the alleged Number of the Beast is encoded on the ISO/IEC 14443 chips in octal, decimal, or hexadecimal, and in what endianness? Markus Kuhn (talk) 14:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

As far as I could ascertain, the leader of the Romanian Church and the other Bishops basically said it's none of their business, it's not a religious matter, no one has proven the number of the beast is on the chip and basically they have barely stopped short of calling the various laymen and monks who advanced those theories as "fear-mongers" (I'm sure you can find the information on their official press release site). Also as an Orthodox Christian I can ascertain that historically the Church has held that the number of the beast has a symbolical meaning and it's not to be taken literally (Besides the fact that the Revelation of the Apocalypse is basically the least used Bible Book in the Orthodox Church -- you'll never hear anyone read from it or even mention it during an actual Chruch service, despite the fact that it's considered sacred and inspired). The 20th and 21st century however have seen within the Orthodox Church the rise to prominence of Western-style discourse on the Apocalypse, including literal interpretations on the number of the beast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omulurimaru (talk • contribs) 02:36, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I support the idea that these passports are satanic. Since in the bible is clearly described how people will wear the number of the beaston the right hand or forehead. Officials wish to implement the chip on hand or forehead to not lose the ID of a person but in the meanwhile they can easily implement the number. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexceltare2 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Your right to do that but not within my church! Within the Orthodox Church we have believed the same things for thousands of years and we made sure nothing changed by keeping our Sacred Tradition, unaltered, generation by generation. That Tradition includes our beutiful mystic theology and practice (Hesychasm and the Athonite theology) and the hghly allegoric theology of the School of Alexandria. And those explain the whole thing with the number of the beast and what it represents fully (because there's no part of the Bible or the Faith that's left unexplained by the Tradition). The explanation is such that there is no place for a literal interpretation for the number of the beast. But, of course today among religious Christians worldwide fundamentalism (which my friend, I hate to break it to you, it's a very different thing than traditionalism) and end-of-days-ism is "in fashion" so to say. However that's no reason for us Orthodox to change our Faith. You must be aware, I hope, that in order to be an Orthodox one must accept the Tradion. So if you don't you have the right to be a Baptist or an Evangelical or whatever you wish. It's (still) a free country (or so we hope). For the other Wikipedians, I was just trying to clarify what the Church's position had been in Romania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omulurimaru (talk • contribs) 09:39, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Pakistani passport
User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow I think the Pakistani passport needs to be removed from this section. To the best of my knowledge, the new passports introduced by the country are only machine-readable, but not biometric. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silal (talk • contribs) 10:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Pakistani Passport Photo
User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow It's interesting to note that the cover photo of what is stated as being a biometric Pakistani passport, does not bear the symbol that most other electronic passports appear to have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steggall (talk • contribs) 2007-03-14T10:27:40 (UTC)

MRP in Pakistan
User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow I have visited the page for MRP, and I was wondered that there was no name or reference of Islamic Republic of Pakistan Machine Readable Passport and Machine Readable Visa.

I feel proud to tell you that Machine Readable Passport in Pakistan was started in June 2004. We have implemented it in all over the country 45 Regional Passport Offices and in 15 Foreign Missions including USA, England, Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Canada, Kuwait etc. Now we are planning for 30 more foreign Mission for MRP, and will be operational in December 2009.

Biometric Passports and E-Passports are also been issued to Diplomat. So I think Pakistan is one of the Leading Countries who started the MRP, Biometric and E-Passports. The system for Machine Readable Visa is ready to implement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.102.6.162 (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Machine Readable Passport (MRP) is NOT E-Passport
I agree with first poster that current pakistani passport is merely machine readable (MRP) and NOT biometric, the chip symbol is a mandatory requirement for e-passport as far as i know and pakistani MRP doesn't contain any such symbol. The passport issuing authoring (NADRA) in pakistan also doesn't specify anything about Biometric Symbol and if its an E-Passport. I suggest that either Pakistani Passport should be removed from this section or exact information need to be added that why it is an exception (whereas all other e-passport contain the symbol) hameed (talk) 18:34, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

what is a biometric passport
I was struggling with this as well as I have two biometric passport definitions in mind: 1: biometric passports are passports with a chip which stores biometric features 2: biometric passports are passports with a chip which stores biometric features and which conform to the standards of ICAO It is possible that the pakistani pass falls in the first category, but has a different chip technology and therefore is not allowed to use the symbol. Shall we define more sharply in the leed both options followed by a clear choice in the galery? L.tak (talk) 06:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)